two US teens show how NOT to be sociopaths

christiefan915 said:
I'm saying corporations are doing the absolute minimum in those third world countries, all the while bragging about how much they raised the standard of living. How many of those people even want or need the products they're making for Americans? All sentient beings understand that profit, not people, is the bottom line for corporations.
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yes, profit is indeed the bottom line. It always will be. That is how non-government workers get paid, that is where bonuses and health care and 401k matching etc... comes from.

That said, you are wrong to say they are doing the absolute minimum. You are speaking from a knee jerk emotional view point that has little to do with reality. Look at China and India, their middle classes and the countries overall economies have boomed in the past decade.

Whether they want the products they are making for US firms or not is irrelevant. WE want the products and WE want them at affordable prices. It benefits all of us.
 
Superfreak said:
yes, profit is indeed the bottom line. It always will be. That is how non-government workers get paid, that is where bonuses and health care and 401k matching etc... comes from.

That said, you are wrong to say they are doing the absolute minimum. You are speaking from a knee jerk emotional view point that has little to do with reality. Look at China and India, their middle classes and the countries overall economies have boomed in the past decade.

Whether they want the products they are making for US firms or not is irrelevant. WE want the products and WE want them at affordable prices. It benefits all of us.
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Re India: In 1991, India adopted liberal and free-market oriented principles and liberalized its economy to international trade under the guidance of Manmohan Singh, who then was the Finance Minister of India under the leadership of P.V. Narasimha Rao the then Prime Minister who eliminated License Raj a pre- and post-British Era mechanism of strict government control on setting up new industry. Following these strong economic reforms, and a strong focus on developing national infrastructure such as the Golden Quadrilateral project by Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the then Prime Minister, the country's economic growth progressed at a rapid pace with very high rates of growth and large increases in the incomes of people.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India#cite_note-economist.com-15
 
Steelplate said:
I don't know how they do it in Michigan, but here in Pennsylvania, the school districts are locally operated. They aren't mainstream employees of the Commonwealth. I do think that Teachers are worth what they make, however....I also think that they can be unreasonable in their contract negotiations. But, when you consider all of the individual School Districts are basically autonomous entities, there's going to be some of those localities where the teachers get nasty.
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dude....are you going to pretend that since you don't work for the state you aren't a government employee?.....
 
Steelplate said:
You don't think big business and the politicians knew what would happen if a huge chunk of good paying jobs left the country and were replaced with shitty ones?
It was an attack on American labor, financed with our tax dollars through incentives and tax cuts for outsourcing. American Business called in their chips for all that campaign money, lobbying dollars and most likely a bunch of backdoor kickbacks.

Corporatism at it's finest....let's not forget our banking sector either.
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I think liberals didn't know what would happen if they continued to fuck up the economy.....
 
christiefan915 said:
Don't know. But if that's a fact, two wrongs don't make a right. We have no moral high ground here.
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is it immoral to pay higher than the prevailing local wage?......if so, the federal government is immoral when it requires contractors to pay union scale to get federal contracts......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
it makes a difference because you seem to think it negates the argument.....instead, it just makes you look stupid.....sorry.....
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Wrong. It makes a difference because EACH SCHOOL DISTRICT is an entity of it's own. Therefore, they each negotiate their own contracts with their employees. To compare them with mainstream state employees is a stupid comparison. When state or even federal employees negotiate and ratify a contract, you are talking hundreds of thousands or even millions of people voting on the same exact thing. The extremes get squashed and a consensus is reached. When you are talking about a local school district, you are talking about as little as a few hundred. If those few hundred have been working without a contract for years, for instance, they are more likely to cone to a decision to play hardball or even strike.

But then again, when you're dealing with the basic mentality of Gubmint...BAAAAD! Then I suppose you'll have stupid comparisons.
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't know what the prevailing local wage is, but the lesser of two evils is still evil.
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and the greater of two ignorant people is yourself....since the question I asked you specifically compared the factory wage with a lower prevailing wage and you still objected, what difference does it now make that you don't know what the prevailing wage actually is?......
 
Steelplate said:
Wrong. It makes a difference because EACH SCHOOL DISTRICT is an entity of it's own. Therefore, they each negotiate their own contracts with their employees.
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good lord, you are ignoring the entire point of the argument by going off on irrelevant issues.....no wonder you work for the fucking government.....
 
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