The consequences of electing someone like Bush

Damocles said:
Funny, the only time they ever mention them here is when I do first. Then it is to lamely claim the "hate them too" in as quiet a written voice I have ever read. In this case you simply aside mention that "other people you know" say stuff about it...


Absolute nonsense. I was vociferous about the policy I disliked under Bush, far more so than simply claiming that "people I know" are vocal. You can find my ranting about his spending, the Pill Bill, the unconstitutional foray into a power not given to the feds called NCLB, here on this board. Often unsolicited. You can find my anger over torture here, warrantless wiretapping, I've spent over 10 years declaring that wrong and even described why the NSA should have nothing at all to do with it ever. I spoke out against people being held without being able to contact attorneys or ever seeing a trial just based on somebody's declaration that they are "terrorists"...
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You were mostly quiet. You portray it as much different than it was; you don't like to criticize Republicans.

As for liberals that "I know," you should pay attention nationally. Most true leftists & liberals don't just criticize those policies when you prompt them.
 
Thing1 said:
You were mostly quiet. You portray it as much different than it was; you don't like to criticize Republicans.

As for liberals that "I know," you should pay attention nationally. Most true leftists & liberals don't just criticize those policies when you prompt them.
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So, you double down on it again and talk about "people you know". I pay attention here, and hear almost nothing until I bring it up.

And as for Bush it was far more vociferous than you ever dare to venture in criticizing democrats. You, sir, are a "do as I say, not as I do" style hypocrite even while trying to give pats to yourself on the back for hanging around "people you know" who are "vocal". Because "most libs you know" are vocal and stuff. Quite the hero.

Anyway, back to the topic. It is my clearly defined and herein reasoned understanding that people love Bush's policies when promoted by Obama but hate them when promoted by anybody not on their "team" and you are a perfect example. I'll agree that those who liked Bush are opposite to that, however you have the wrong guy if you think I loved Bush.
 
Damocles said:
So, you double down on it again and talk about "people you know". I pay attention here, and hear almost nothing until I bring it up.

And as for Bush it was far more vociferous than you ever dare to venture in criticizing democrats. You, sir, are a "do as I say, not as I do" style hypocrite even while trying to give pats to yourself on the back for hanging around "people you know" who are "vocal". Because "most libs you know" are vocal and stuff.
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I said you should pay attention nationally. In case you didn't notice, I was going beyond "those I know."

Partisanship tends to skew perception. I bear no illusions about where I stand, what I say, and what others say - as you tend to do.
 
Thing1 said:
I said you should pay attention nationally. In case you didn't notice, I was going beyond "those I know."

Partisanship tends to skew perception. I bear no illusions about where I stand, what I say, and what others say - as you tend to do.
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Again, back to the topic...

It is my defined and herein well-reasoned opinion that we've now had 3 terms of Bush policies and are heading into a fourth. We all understand that you want to attempt to paint me as the bad guy for some reason. But the reality is, what I list is reality. The worst of Bush has continued under this President and it isn't going to stop suddenly.
 
Damocles said:
Again, back to the topic...

It is my defined and herein well-reasoned opinion that we've now had 3 terms of Bush policies and are heading into a fourth. We all understand that you want to attempt to paint me as the bad guy for some reason. But the reality is, what I list is reality. The worst of Bush has continued under this President and it isn't going to stop suddenly.
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What happened to all the drilling permits Bush issued in his last month in office, big guy?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I find it interesting that the guy who joined us in 2012 knows what Damo was talking about in 2006
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If you think about it, the Dr. Suess reference should clue you in to whom you are speaking. We've "known" each other for a decade. I'm glad he's back, even if this is the best he can do at the moment. I think he's riding high on a victory, he'll get back to normal later.
 
I've only been around since 09......I have no clue....

and I'm still scratching my head wondering where that guy with 1700 posts who's been a member since 07 came from....he must have been hiding in the woodwork......
 
Thing1 said:
You're really just a hater. I have no illusions about his policies, but on both foreign & domestic he is light years ahead of Bush. Unless you're down with full-scale invasions, 10-year military commitments, the Bush doctrine, a philosophy that deficit spending doesn't matter...do I need to go on?

Obama has had a fairly solid track record of foreign policy successes, from Egypt, to OBL, to Libya - all without any kind of major US military involvement. As for domestic, he saved the auto industry, and whether you like it or not, the stimulus stopped the downward spiral.
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What was the Bush Doctrine again refresh my memory?
 
Rune said:
This is news to you?

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/7189

http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Obama-team-cancels-oil-and-gas-leases-Bush-OKd-3173247.php
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Neither article claims anything about "bunches" of permits signed as Bush left and speak about what Romney said, you can't even back up your own claim herein made and actually had to ignore what I wrote to pretend I hadn't mentioned energy policy.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/politics/fact-check-oil-gas/index.html

Yeah, I did mention that neither of these two have seized a perfect opportunity to get us off the foreign energy teat because ideology is more important than results for them.
 
Thing1 said:
You're cherrypicking very specific policies, many of which are fairly inconsequential to my world view. Has Obama been a great President? No. But he has been far more competent in foreign & domestic affairs than Bush, he got the guy who was actually behind 9/11, and I happen to agree with Keynesian economics. Obama's spending was more in line with Keynes. Bush's was more in line with we have no idea how to balance a budget or say no to pork, so what the hell, I'll sign it.
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LMAO... those were some pretty big issues liberals had with Bush. What has Obama been 'competent' on with regards to foreign policy? Obama has not implemented Keynes. He has simply thrown money out the window with the hope that it would stimulate long term growth. How much of the money went to special interest groups that backed Obama? Obama is twice the failure of Bush.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... those were some pretty big issues liberals had with Bush. What has Obama been 'competent' on with regards to foreign policy? Obama has not implemented Keynes. He has simply thrown money out the window with the hope that it would stimulate long term growth. How much of the money went to special interest groups that backed Obama? Obama is twice the failure of Bush.
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I'm only speaking personally. I was never a big "wiretapping" guy or anything like that. As for foreign policy, you may disagree w/ our actions in Egypt and Libya, but 2 brutal dictators are no longer in charge. Did I mention that we never had to send American troops in on either situation? Obama worked with our allies, and didn't act unilaterally, and didn't act recklessly. He got the guy who was actually behind 9/11. He has dealt with key countries like China & Israel with a much more measured & goal-oriented approach. To me, there is no comparison whatsoever to the cowboy diplomacy of the Bush years & the Bush doctrine. Obama is light years ahead of Bush on foreign policy.

Your characterization of the stimulus - a third of which was tax cuts, btw - is just silly. It's not even worthy of right-wing talk radio.
 
cawacko said:
It's interesting how during the 2000 election there was talk of 'Clinton fatigue' and Al Gore practically ran away from Clinton during the campaign. For a great President who everyone likes/loves that pretty surprising wouldn't you say?
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I think Gore chickened out because of the impeachment and it was a lousy decision on his part. Now dems look at him as a footnote (at least I do) and repubs as a laughing-stock.
 
bravo said:
And conveniently you ignore the policies that enabled Obama to "get" the man behind 9/11, don't you.
Egypt and Libya now in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood....
Staggering debt in excess of the Bush spending....
Social programs bankrupting the treasury and growing .....
High Unemployment levels becoming the new norm....

and you're in desperate new of a good optometrist....
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Just wondering how you think we could have stopped the people of Egypt and Libya from electing those in the Muslim brotherhood.

And it's just hilarious how you glossed over the bush spending just to slam Obama.

Those of us on the left had bush's number from the get go while those on the right didn't give a hoot what he did. If righties really, really cared about spending, wiretaps, rendition, Guantanamo, etc. you never would have given the man a second term. But like all Monday morning quarterbacks you've found a way to offload bush's SNAFUs onto Obama and pretend they were his from the onset.
 
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