DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Stop being a retard. There are entire threads about them. All this to detract from your previous admission of 'voting in your best interest'.
They are also called "freebies". How's your Omamaphone working out?
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Stop being a retard. There are entire threads about them. All this to detract from your previous admission of 'voting in your best interest'.
They are also called "freebies". How's your Omamaphone working out?
apple0154
MEOW
There's no distraction. Voting for one's best interest includes voting for the best interests of most people. That's what makes a community, a society. And services are not freebies. They are paid for through taxes.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Freebies are what folks like me pay for and don't use for and folks like your don't pay for and use.
You let the cat out of the bag. It's not going back in.
You let the cat out of the bag. It's not going back in.
apple0154
MEOW
Have you ever seen a doctor? If so, under a government health care plan you would be using a service. Do you use public roadways? If so, you're using a government service.
As for letting the cat out of the bag the only bag here is the one covering your head. Remove the bag and open your eyes.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
If I use roads I buy gas that is taxed to pay for the roads. Freebies are services and money that you don't have to pay for, even if you don't work. These are "in your best interest" and are what you voted for. Your words. Are you ashamed of them now? 
Simple minds make such simple statements on complicated issues.....and I love that sig....great advertisment...
apple0154
MEOW
If I use roads I buy gas that is taxed to pay for the roads. Freebies are services and money that you don't have to pay for, even if you don't work. These are "in your best interest" and are what you voted for. Your words. Are you ashamed of them now?
Not at all. How much does a person pay, in gasoline taxes towards roads, who drives only on the weekends and uses public transit for work? Do you think their contribution is, in any way, proportional to the cost of building and maintaining the roads?
"Freebies" are government subsidized services for the people. Does a $2.00 bus ticket entitling one to travel across town come anywhere near the cost of the bus, the wages of the driver, etc? However, when a lot of people use the service than a savings is realized. How is a low earning individual supposed to get to work? They can't afford a car so they use subsidized public transit. In return they earn a wage and pay a little tax.
The same idea applies where I live regarding government subsidized child care. I think it's about $7/day to look after children below school age (6). Now the mom can get a job and pay taxes instead of having to stay home. Instead of people paying an individual to look after one child the person looks after a number of children for the same price. In the end everyone saves. That's because of government involvement.
Again, the problem with taxes is where the money is spent. If put into services for the people rather than the war enterprise everyone gains. So, yes, it's voting ones pocket book. People who are against it are "penny wise and pound foolish" to use an old English phrase. They can't see beyond their nose but that's changing. The election proved that. From talk of death panels to lazy welfare folks the people are beginning to realize the Repub/conservative view of how the world is supposed to work is wrong. Very wrong. So wrong that the "financial brains" of the country didn't see the boot coming that kicked their collective asses. They're stumbling around saying, "Whoa, what happened?"
You see, it's not about freebies. It's about efficiency and common sense. Hopefully, the electrical charge from the ass kick will send a signal to their brain but in Ronmey's case it doesn't appear so. He's still ranting about freebies. He just doesn't get it. It's not about certain individuals doing well. It's about everyone, society, doing well as the Preamble makes clear; "We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union..." A more perfect union. Not "in order for a few to get extremely wealthy". The main goal is to see everyone has a decent life. If a few do extremely well, great! But not at the expense of everyone else.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Whether he drives one mile or 100,000 miles he pays the same proportional to the amount of road that he uses.
Public transit is mostly a freebie. But local governments can do what they want with their tax money. If they want to run empty buses around the city all day long I don't care, since I have the ability to move elsewhere. Its the same with any state or local law, I don't really care if your state enacts 100% taxation to the folks on the top half of the income scale and gives it all away to the folks on the bottom half.
apple0154
MEOW
You also have the opportunity to move elsewhere if you don't like ObamaCare. (You walked straight into that one.)
As for the occasional driver he/she would never contribute enough tax money to build any road. It only works when money is pooled and that's the basic idea behind all government programs. The pooling of the money allows everyone to benefit.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You also have the opportunity to move elsewhere if you don't like ObamaCare. (You walked straight into that one.)
As for the occasional driver he/she would never contribute enough tax money to build any road. It only works when money is pooled and that's the basic idea behind all government programs. The pooling of the money allows everyone to benefit.
Actually I don't. Moving to another country is a long process and hardly guaranteed. Your stance therefor is anti-freedom.
Pooling of money is fine if you are not required to pool it if you don't intend to use the service, or use it and pay the proportional amount.
All this because you are ashamed to admit that you "voted in your best interest" to get freebies.
apple0154
MEOW
Actually I don't. Moving to another country is a long process and hardly guaranteed. Your stance therefor is anti-freedom.
Pooling of money is fine if you are not required to pool it if you don't intend to use the service, or use it and pay the proportional amount.
All this because you are ashamed to admit that you "voted in your best interest" to get freebies.
You still have difficulty grasping the concept. When people pool their money a variety of services become available. Some you contribute to you may not use. On the other hand some services you do use are available due to othes having contributed even if they do not use them. It's referred to as civilization, a concept homo sapiens developed and neanderthals did not and we all know what happened to the neanderthals.
You still have difficulty grasping the concept. When people pool their money a variety of services become available. Some you contribute to you may not use. On the other hand some services you do use are available due to othes having contributed even if they do not use them. It's referred to as civilization, a concept homo sapiens developed and neanderthals did not and we all know what happened to the neanderthals.
Well, no. Actually I feel confident in saying that Neanderthal also had civilization because they were intelligent. We carry neanderthal genes...we make jokes about them but as we learn more about them I think they weren't that different from us. However, I take your point :0)
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You still don't get it. Pooling of money is fine if you are not required to pool it if you don't intend to use the service, or use it and pay the proportional amount.You still have difficulty grasping the concept. When people pool their money a variety of services become available. Some you contribute to you may not use. On the other hand some services you do use are available due to othes having contributed even if they do not use them. It's referred to as civilization, a concept homo sapiens developed and neanderthals did not and we all know what happened to the neanderthals.
apple0154
MEOW
But you use other services which people have paid into, through taxes, which they don't use. How many people go to National Parks? How many people sit in their local park? Isn't it nice to know it's there if one day you decide to go?
That's community. That's civilization. Medical care. Child care. Parks. Roads. Public transit. Some we use. Some we don't. However, countries that have those services insist on keeping them because they realize the benefit once they have them. It offers a better way of life.
On that note it's time for my siesta.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
A national park really doesn't cost much of anything. Any roads in it are paid for by fuel taxes. The rest should be self-supporting anyway by use of user fees. Local parks are supported by local governments and again, I can choose to live in that jurisdiction or not and pay for them through those local taxes.But you use other services which people have paid into, through taxes, which they don't use. How many people go to National Parks? How many people sit in their local park? Isn't it nice to know it's there if one day you decide to go?
That's community. That's civilization. Medical care. Child care. Parks. Roads. Public transit. Some we use. Some we don't. However, countries that have those services insist on keeping them because they realize the benefit once they have them. It offers a better way of life.
On that note it's time for my siesta.
The other issues that you mentioned are feebies and you 'voted in your best interest' to get them.
Historian Alexander Tyler warned us about this in 1787.
Which phase do you think we are at now?
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/wa...media-coverage-of-obama-turned-more-favorable
Media coverage of President Barack Obama was largely positive in the final week of the presidential campaign, while coverage of Mitt Romney was mostly negative, according to a new report from the Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism.
From October 29 to November 5, positive stories about Obama in mainstream media outlets outnumbered negative ones by 10 percentage points, with 29 percent positive, and 19 negative. On the other hand, negative stories about the GOP nominee Mitt Romney outweighed positive stories by 17 points, with 33 percent negative compared to 16 positive.
The report, which analyzed 660 stories from 59 media outlets, also notes the positive media coverage of Obama was higher in the final week than it had been in previous weeks. The tone of coverage about Romney stayed roughly the same.
Media coverage of President Barack Obama was largely positive in the final week of the presidential campaign, while coverage of Mitt Romney was mostly negative, according to a new report from the Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism.
From October 29 to November 5, positive stories about Obama in mainstream media outlets outnumbered negative ones by 10 percentage points, with 29 percent positive, and 19 negative. On the other hand, negative stories about the GOP nominee Mitt Romney outweighed positive stories by 17 points, with 33 percent negative compared to 16 positive.
The report, which analyzed 660 stories from 59 media outlets, also notes the positive media coverage of Obama was higher in the final week than it had been in previous weeks. The tone of coverage about Romney stayed roughly the same.
SJJRSJJS
Verified User
There is no way that Obama defeated Romney in a fair election. The chickens will be coming home to roost soon, as Senator McCain stated today on Fox News. There will be Impeachment proceeding brought against Prez Obama eventually, and then The Senate has to hold a trial, after that who knows what will happen. The Lib Demos are so corrupt, along with the Lib bias Main Stream Media, it sickens me. Listen to the Libs on here, they are good Party Members and I am not refering to the Democrat Party. George Soros(Media Matters) is behind this entire Kabal, trust me on that one, he started it with Stock Market manipulations online about 7 years ago. Of course this is all strickly my opinion and like they say opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Apple, you are an evil POS who supports voter fraud. You'd instigate new pogroms if you felt it would help your candidates win.
apple0154
MEOW
That depends on who the "we" are. The "we" who have abundance and heading towards complacency and apathy or the "we" who are currently in financial bondage and exhibiting the courage to free themselves?
I suggest you watch the first segment of Jon Stewart's Nov 16th show. He critiques O'Reilly's lamentation how America is changing and it's no more "white man's land". As Stewart makes clear that's precisely the American Experiment. The country changes as times change, as the population changes, as people evolve.
apple0154
MEOW
That's no way to talk, ThreeD.
What voter fraud are you rantng about? Surely the people looking after the mentally disabled are charged with looking after their best interests. BTW, there are many institutions looking after the mentally disabled. Surely some are attended by Republicans or are Democrats the only people who look after the disadvantaged? Perhaps that's something that should be researched a bit. What do you think?