Billy the Great Khan
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The supposedly educated Topspin for one.
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The supposedly educated Topspin for one.
Billy the Great Khan
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Hemmingway and Picaso, among many others, would beg to differ.
That is just not true. Your cynicsim may be true for you but it is not true for many of us. I actually use to argue against medical marijuana on the basis that it should be legal for all. I would not support half way measures.
Through being active (this was before I was smoking again and personally I have not used for 2-3 months now) I met many people who sincerely found/believed its medicinal properties were more effective than other drugs. There is no reason to believe they were not helped by it. The evidence is pretty strong in support of their positions. There are no drugs without negative side effects and the patient should have some right to choose the drug they find preferrable (reasonable controls/limits on highly toxic drugs are not going to find much opposition).
While I certainly think you or I should be just as free to enjoy as anyone else, I will support access for those suffering the most first. It is not just propaganda and I am no dumbling prole.
It is a drug just like any other. None of them are perfect or without drawbacks. That is just one of the facts of our imperfect lives.
There are initial findings that marijuana lowers blood sugars. One beer or glass of wine is good f
or the blood and liver two to three times a week, I doubt you limit yourself to this number
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Who are you calling "these pricks?" Because, last I checked, every citizen over age 18 can vote in America, not just "these pricks." The truth is, legalization has failed with the exception of the recent medical marijuana laws. Why these initiatives have failed, can be traced to a variety of reasons, not just "these pricks" who think it's profitable. In California, there are as many drug dealers against legalization as church-goers. Are you including all the drug dealers in "these pricks" or just the church-goers? Might not want to let your supplier know you think he is a prick.
Billy the Great Khan
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Actually I don't even have that many any more. The pain and sleep meds I take make even a single drink something I have go schedual. Its why I haven't updated gbf in a while.There are initial findings that marijuana lowers blood sugars. One beer or glass of wine is good f
or the blood and liver two to three times a week, I doubt you limit yourself to this number
Well, I can't speak for him, but maybe he is just being a bit of a knee jerk reactionary himself. That's what happens in response to knee jerk reactions.
Frankly, I AM fed up with the bullshit arguments from dishonest pricks like Dixie and others. That was my point, about using their same sort of dishonest arguments in regards to the right to bear arms. That is, they argue that we should wait until welfare is ended before normalizing drug laws. It is never going to happen. Why not wait until corporate welfare is ended before we actually support their more cherished rights. Or just wait until pigs fly out of my ass. That is, where their dishonest lies end up. Division of competing groups denying each other rights out of stupid spite. We ALL end up losing and it serves no valid purpose.
There is a lot of resentment over the differing legal status of each drug. Marijuana users can lose their jobs, be thrown in jail and even be denied the right to vote for OCCASIONAL use. Meanwhile, alcohol use/abuse is celebrated and even pushed on to people. You can't even turn alcohol down in social settings without somebody making an issue of it.
"When you don't drink, people always need to know why. They're like, 'You don't drink? Why?' This never happens with anything else. 'You don't use mayonnaise? Why? Are you addicted to mayonnaise? Is it OK if I use mayonnaise?'" - Jim Gaffigan
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I am sorry to hear you have chronic pain, people don't understand who don't deal with it.
IT AINT OVER!
I am the one who used "pricks" and I most definitely meant YOU!
Your POLL is not a fact of reality set in stone. The "drug dealers" (mm growers) against it will be reached because drug warriors are still busting them. The "church goers" are being reached because drug warriors are busting their grandkids and ruining their lives. Bitter old dinosaurs like you are losing more ground everyday. Even Mitt Romney will betray you because he must if he hopes to win.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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My goodness, don't bust a blood vessel there, bud. Have you even ASKED me what my personal position is on whether marijuana should be legal? I don't believe you have! Well, since you don't seem to be willing to ASK me, I will volunteer the information so everyone can see it. I am for completely decriminalizing marijuana. If my state ever held a vote, that is how I would vote. If there were ever a national referendum, that is how I would vote. But for now, we are talking on a message board... and some idiots are blaming "these pricks" for keeping pot illegal because of profits. Now the fact of the matter is, the people who profit most from pot being illegal, is the illegal pot dealer. The "reason" pot initiatives have failed in the past, is because of the unlikely coalition between illegal pot dealers and bible thumpers. If you want to call them ALL pricks, I am fine with that, but let's define who "these pricks" are and be honest about it, that's all I am saying.
We still live in a democratic society where we're able to go to the polls and vote for things we want or don't want. Right now, we don't have enough votes to change the laws, and pot remains illegal. Running around calling people "pricks" and trying to blame it on "the right" or "religious folk" or whatever... isn't going to change that very important fact of life. In fact, what you COULD be doing with such a tactic, is turning OFF people who you might win over to your side... I personally get offended by being called a prick, and it makes me less likely to vote the way you'd have me vote, just because you called me a prick. Where I might have otherwise supported decriminalization, I might decide that you're not going to bully me into it, and stay home or vote against it.
From The Study:
In contrast, the association between marijuana exposure and pulmonary function was nonlinear (P < .001): at low levels of exposure, FEV1 increased by 13 mL/joint-year (95% CI, 6.4 to 20; P < .001) and FVC by 20 mL/joint-year (95% CI, 12 to 27; P < .001)
The slope for FEV1 was −2.2 mL/joint-year (95% CI, −4.6 to 0.3; P = .08) at more than 10 joint-years and −3.2 mL per marijuana smoking episode/mo (95% CI, −5.8 to −0.6; P = .02) at more than 20 episodes/mo. With very heavy marijuana use, the net association with FEV1 was not significantly different from baseline, and the net association with FVC remained significantly greater than baseline (eg, at 20 joint-years, 76 mL [95% CI, 34 to 117]; P < .001).
I have to ask if you took the time to understand the article?
Is that your position this week? What do you think completely decriminalizes even means?
I am not trying to blame anyone. The drug warriors are losing and will continue to lose. Its not going to be decriminalized. It will be fully legalized and none of the jack booted thuggery you truly support is going stop the tide. No need to worry much about convincing the hold outs. Their numbers will deplete naturally in the ways I mentioned and through attrition.
You have some sort of crazed ideas about the typical black market marijuana dealer being a part of some organized syndicate. That is just not the case. The Mexican cartels are an exception but they don't control the market outside of your trailer park and have limited power within it.
There are plenty of law abiding entrepreneurs willing to take their place. The truly free market, that you oppose, will win.
I am not trying to blame anyone. The drug warriors are losing and will continue to lose. Its not going to be decriminalized. It will be fully legalized and none of the jack booted thuggery you truly support is going stop the tide. No need to worry much about convincing the hold outs. Their numbers will deplete naturally in the ways I mentioned and through attrition.
You have some sort of crazed ideas about the typical black market marijuana dealer being a part of some organized syndicate. That is just not the case. The Mexican cartels are an exception but they don't control the market outside of your trailer park and have limited power within it.
There are plenty of law abiding entrepreneurs willing to take their place. The truly free market, that you oppose, will win.
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Of course I did. You obviously didnt
Dixie - In Memoriam
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That's been my position the past 30-35 years, or as long as I've been old enough to take a political position. I think "completely decriminalize" means to make it where it's not a crime to be in possession of small amounts of marijuana. It would still be illegal to market and sell it as a product, but people wouldn't have their property confiscated and our prisons wouldn't be full of potheads.
I don't think I was responding to you, someone else posted it was the fault of "these pricks" who are keeping it illegal because of profits. No one is "keeping it" illegal, it has to be passed into law by a majority when it gets on a ballot, and that ain't happening.
Well you can believe whatever you wish, if that helps. The bottom line is, you currently don't have the votes to make marijuana legal, and it's doubtful some magic is going to happen anytime soon, where that will be a possibility. I am interested in this "jack booted thuggery" you believe I have supported, because that is news to me. As I said, I have always been a proponent of decriminalization. All I have interjected here, is the fact that we live in a democratic society where these things can and are decided at the ballot box... if you think the ballot box is "jack booted thuggery" then so be it. You are obviously too full of bullshit and hate to reason with.
I said absolutely nothing about being a part of any organized syndicate, where do you get this stuff? When ballot initiatives have come up, and have failed, it is because of the illegal drug dealers (who make tons of profit selling illegal weed) and the religious right who are simply opposed for religious reasons. This unseemly coalition is the reason pot is not legal and hasn't been decriminalized. Now you can rant and rave and call people names, and get all mad and upset with me personally, and make these boisterous statements about how things will change over time, etc. But the facts as I've stated them are true, and you can't refute them. You don't have to like it, I don't have to like it, but them's the facts, man.
I don't oppose the democratic process. If there comes a time where most Americans want pot to be legal, it will be. For now, the pot dealers and religious folk outnumber you and those who want legal weed, so you have to live with that and try to change the mindset of those opposed to you... I don't think you accomplish that by calling them pricks, that's my point.
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Odd how all the MJ users in the 60's through 1994, are now of voting age and still can't seem to find enough officials to elect that would put an end to MJ being illegal.
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Reminds me of the german people (1930s) and the jews.