Honest Question: If Obama is re-elected, where does Republican Party go from there?

[Bonestorm]

I wondered where I had heard the title, the book has been made into a movie, I saw the title on my TV guide and wondered if it was good! Thanks, now I know it is.

The book is great. Don't know about the movie. Part of the plot involves a light skinned black man that passes for white who becomes a successful professor in a liberal arts college and has his career ruined after allegations of racism against black students.

 

[blackascoal]

Well because it's not like all one genotype has dominant alelles and another has all recesive alelles. That's easily observed when two gentypes are crossed than which characteristics are expressed depends on how they allign as dominant or recessive pairings of alelles. If you have two dominant alelles aligning than the dominant alelle will be expressed, if you have a dominant and recesive pairing then again the dominant alelle would be expressed but if you have two pairings of recessive alelles than the recessive trait will be expressed. It's basic Mendelian genetics. So when you cross genotypes you always end up with a mixed bag of dominant/recessive expressions. No one genotype would be completely dominant.

So I ask again respectfully .. does that mean that blacks almost always have the more dominant alleles?

The children almost always look more identifiably black.

Does that not suggest that the genetic makeup of the white parent plays a role in the makeup of the children.

Are you suggesting that the Mitochondrial DNA of the parent plays no role in the genetic makeup of the children?

It appears to me that we are not that far removed in our conclusions.

 

[Timshel]

Obviously you haven't been keeping up you dummy.

Why don't you go back and see who said they should pass for white and has been running from that since he said it.

You back it up. Where is it?

 

[blackascoal]

bac is whiter than my ass and is about as attractive.

You are on drugs .. and you're a child.

You get your ass spanked in a discussion then you reach for the ridiculous and unknown.

Thanks for playing. :0)

 

[Timshel]

We get gonna get real REAL if you don't back up your claim or admit your error.

 

[Timshel]

You are on drugs .. and you're a child.

You get your ass spanked in a discussion then you reach for the ridiculous and unknown.

Thanks for playing. :0)

You can't back it up, momma's boy? Show me where I said anything of the kind.

 

[blackascoal]

You back it up. Where is it?

Why the fuck is a pussy like you still posting to me?

I attempted to have a sane and civil discussion with you .. even suggesting that I liked your reasoning .. then you reached for the pompous when I didn't agree with you .. now your punk ass is still posting to me as if I give a fuck what you have to say.

You know where it is clown boy because you said it .. then ran from it.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So I ask again respectfully .. does that mean that blacks almost always have the more dominant alleles?

The children almost always look more identifiably black.

Does that not suggest that the genetic makeup of the white parent plays a role in the makeup of the children.

Are you suggesting that the Mitochondrial DNA of the parent plays no role in the genetic makeup of the children?

It appears to me that we are not that far removed in our conclusions.

That depends on what alelle your talking about? The alelle for skin color? Yes, they do but they don't have dominant alelles for all expresions of all alelles within their genotype. No one does!

Mitochondrial DNA is not an issue here becuase it is completely inherited from ones mother and thus no genetic crossover or alelle pairing is involved and the only expression involved is for cellular respiration (aka metabolism).

 

[blackascoal]

We get gonna get real REAL if you don't back up your claim or admit your error.

How about fuck you?

Is that REAL enough for you?

 

[Timshel]

Why the fuck is a pussy like you still posting to me?

I attempted to have a sane and civil discussion with you .. even suggesting that I liked your reasoning .. then you reached for the pompous when I didn't agree with you .. now your punk ass is still posting to me as if I give a fuck what you have to say.

You know where it is clown boy because you said it .. then ran from it.

It aint there. I never said anything like that and YOU know it.

 

[Timshel]

How about fuck you?

Is that REAL enough for you?

How about you tell the truth or admit your error.

 

[Timshel]

Who is running?

 

[blackascoal]

That depends on what alelle your talking about? The alelle for skin color? Yes, they do but they don't have dominant alelles for all expresions within their genotype. No one does!

I'm not suggesting that ,, and this has nothing to do with preference but everything to do with racial realities.

You haven't explained why the children look black far beyond skin color.

When my son's mother suggested that we should have a baby, I said that no, we should not because the baby will be black and raising a black child may be more than she was ready for.

My son is a light-skinned me in almost every detail. The joke between his mother and I is that he has her toes.

This has nothing to do with preference.

 

[Timshel]

While the GOP is on the ropes and needs to take seriously the need to drop dead weight, they can rebound. The label might not survive but conservatives can coalaesce if they ditch their racists

I don't agree that Democrats have no identity problem. Many of the union types are uneasy with minorities and vice versa. The unionist support for trade wars and general xenophobia creates an uneasy alliance. African Americans are more supportive of school vouchers and are wary of the police. The minorities are also uneasy with homosexuals as many of them come from less liberal (it is amazing how few people here understand the word) cultures. Then there is the fact that blacks, Hispanics and other minorities don't identify with each other.

Also, many regulations are designed to maintain the status quo. Minority entrepreneurs can become attracted to free market principles easily after having had to suffer the burden of government agencies that block food trucks and other permits. Libertarianism, properly understood, has plenty to offer minorities. But those who identify as libertarian need to quit focusing solely on government programs that benefit the poor and start spending more of their ammunition combating corporate welfare and barriers to market entry that are killing our economy.

Then there is the fact that our top heavy Ponzi scheme of a retirement system benefits whites over minorities. When this ticking time bomb explodes it will hurt the Democrats. If their reforms are based solely on increasing the age of retirement it could further alienate minorities. Look at what wing of the GOP is rushing in to defend SS/Medicare.

The conservatives (not the GOP) are going to have to dump their racists. One way or the other it will destroy them. But once they do they may be able to capture minorities. I can't see how they will be able to under the GOP label for some time though.

Race is becoming less significant and that will continue to decline. What is Obama, black or white? I am sure he identifies as black but that is largely due to the culture he was raised under. More and more mixed race children will are not being be forced out of their white identity by a pervasive culture of racism. That does not mean they reject their non-white culture, but it will not move them. I have a relative that is 1/4 Puerto Rican. He has half-brothers that are a 1/4 white. They are his brothers and he is theirs. I love going to see them. They all consider me family.

Race labels as a dividing line will fade. The conservatives do need to move away from their hatemongers, trade warriors and Santorum. But that is not an impossible task.

http://prospect.org/article/democrats-demographic-dreams

Here you go, since you are too lazy to do any real work. Where is it?

 

[Timshel]

He's black because he grew up in a pervasive culture of racism. He was pushed to being black in the same way Tiger Woods was/is. Mixed race children are on the rise. They were ONCE pushed out of their white identity by racist grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins and the culture. That is not as true anymore, no matter what racist trolls (not you) may claim.

No ones said he would have pretended to be white. He would not have been made to reject or feel pained by his white heritage if not for racists.

It is much like Bill Maher. He once identified as Libertarian, but then in a monologue not long ago he rejected the label because many of the faux-libertarians and real life trolls rejected him. The same is true with Eastwood. I have been doing the same in pushing away those who misuse the label for their fascists dreams of white supremacy.

Honestly, Barrack looks like the product of a mixed race couple. So does Tiger. As more and more children are born to interracial couples people will stop assuming that this or that person is all one or the other.

Also, the scientific facts that you mention are coming to light. Someday soon the lying idiots that deny reality will be drowned out and we will all be African Americans. The human genome project has proven it conclusively.

Only the blind klansmen fail to see it now. Chapelle is much funnier and deeper than you believe.

Here they come. Join me in pointing and laughing at these ridiculous clowns.

Is it in here? Where?

 

[Timshel]

I like you brother. I like your reasoning even when I don't agree with it.

Where do you see mixed race in Obama or Tiger? I don't see it .. and I've been looking at black people all my life.

They are black because they are black. My son of a mixed relationship is black because he is black .. although he is lighter than Obama and Tiger, he is still not only identifiably black, there is nothing else he could be. No one forces him to be anything.

Your theory is not something I would want you to tell my son. Mixed race children have enough identity issues of their own without someone telling them they should be white because it's better for them, or that it's the only way they can move. Frankly, I find that kinda' nasty and self-destructive.

They should be who and what they are, and they should enjoy its gifts.

Now see it must have been the last one because you started ANOTHER lie here in response.

Now run home to your momma, fat boy.

 

[blackascoal]

Here you go, since you are too lazy to do any real work. Where is it?

Try finding the question I asked you to define FOUR TIMES you fucking dummy. I even said to you that it was the 4th times I've asked.

Now all of a sudden you don't know what I'm talking about.

Not only dumb, but seriously dishonest.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I'm not suggesting that ,, and this has nothing to do with preference but everything to do with racial realities.

You haven't explained why the children look black far beyond skin color.

When my son's mother suggested that we should have a baby, I said that no, we should not because the baby will be black and raising a black child may be more than she was ready for.

My son is a light-skinned me in almost every detail. The joke between his mother and I is that he has her toes.

This has nothing to do with preference.

I would suggest that's a problem of perception. The law of inheritance, one of the three laws of nature defining evolutionary biology, demonstrates that all offspring resemble both parents. If a caucasion and a black person mate and produce off spring that off spring will inherit characteristics of both parents that are easily observed. Just as the law of variation (due to genetic crossover) easily demonstrates that they are also uniquely different than their parents. If you can't observe the first law of evolutionary biology in a biracial child, you need to observe more closely as those attributes do exist in that child that are inherited from both parents. That's a well validated fact.

 

[blackascoal]

My son ..



He could pass for white?

We "forced" him to be black?

 

[Timshel]

The problem is that whiterthanmyass does not get the jokes. He thinks he is down. But he is a clown. And nothing but a posuer.

I don't care really what bravo is going on about. He is another blind member of the kkk.

The point was NEVER about what they should PRETEND to be. I certainly would not ask your children to be like you, whiterthanmyass. I would tell them to be individuals and lose the labels. That was the point. The children of mixed race couples will not IDENTIFY (has nothing to do with their fantasy life, fat boy, but what they feel at a deep level) with ONE RACE OR THE OTHER as greatly because they won't be forced to by racists within their family and culture to the extent that men like Obama or Tiger were. They are not going to accept the labels that previous generations have forced upon each other. Not unless fools like you make them.

You are nothing but another dinosaur whiterthanmyass. You don't see where the future is going and I doubt you will be able to relate to your child. You are still not over your own childhood. Don't make your kid relive or fight your battles.