Portrait of a Modern Feminist: Helen Smith

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Thank God cooler heads prevailed.....its not what you get paid, its what you do to get that pay....

Do male nurses make more than female nurses ?... and if they do, are they doing something different in the job than the women do....
thats the important question.....

Government shouldn't start dictating what employees have to pay any one....if an employer isn't paying what you think you're worth, quit and find a better job.....thats the way its been since the beginning of civilization where people traded goods for services....and thats the way it should be.....

when you hire some one to paint you house, you don't get 10 estimates and hire the one that charges the most do you ?.....
Why should it be any different when the shoe is on the other foot....

You don't go for a new car and buy from the dealer that gives you the worst deal do you....?

Bullshit. Discrimination is not only morally wrong it's illegal. If a person of equal education, job skill, experience and productivity is being paid less because of their gender that employer should be prosecucted. It's no different than discriminating against a person based on race, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation.

 

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Do you know what your main problem is? You are an aging fiftyish single female who has never known about the responsibilities of having children and being in a long term relationship. This selfishness allows you to bang on endlessly about rights but never about responsibilities. The majority of men feel much the same way and are increasingly dismayed by the antics of left wing extremists like you.

Feminism has gone too far, it is not fair or right for a women to marry a man, for instance, have an affair shortly afterwards, divorce and then get half of the assets from the marriage.

Ahhh, but Aoxomoxoa, the reverse can happen, as well. It's just that men usually made more money, had more assets, and, more often than not, felt they had the right to lord it over the woman. That control has gone. Regardless of how much money the guy has or how important his job is....it means nothing. That is the crux of the problem because of the way our society is structured. People with money automatically feel they are more important than those who don't have money. One could say it's "natural". We're all taught that. People will treat you differently if they know you have money and it becomes an expected thing. Except, when it comes to men and women, that no longer works.

Put it this way. One will treat their boss differently depending on whether or not they need the job. If one's skills are in demand they won't take crap from the boss. They'll go elsewhere and that's basically what people do regarding relationships today. The woman does not need a man to support her and the man doesn't need an investment portfolio to impress the gal so the devaluing of money in a relationship is a virtual slap in the face to the person who thought money bought everything. The advantage men had, those who possessed money, has greatly diminished.

 

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Excellent article, Aoxomoxoa.

I remember many years ago in the '70s there was a woman called Arianna Stassinopoulos who used to rail against the feminists of the time and their obsession with ridiculing women who didn't want to go to work and preferred to stay at home and raise children. You can see some of that venom in Darla's outpourings. Anyway, Ms. Stassinopoulos went to America married well and reinvented herself as Arianna Huffington and dumped most of her old views. I believe that she was right back then and society has become far more selfish, shallow and materialistic because of the 'have it all obsession' so evident today.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...oulos-the-siren-of-the-seventies-1443305.html

 

[christiefan915]

How many of those women drop out of the work force to have children and how does that impact their wages? Just because a person has attained a specific level of education doesn't mean that A. They have the same quality of education and B. That they have the same level of job experience. Many young women drop out of the work force to raise children and this has a significant impact on their wages when they go back into the work force. Is that fair? Well yes and no. It's certainly fair from an employers standpoint as those who reach a specified level of education and have substantially more work experience are generally more skilled and productive workers. Is it unfair to women that the job of child rearing isn't as valued economically in our society? Sure it is, but I don't know what the resolution to that problem is. Someone has to raise the kids. It's also been my experience that women with the same level and quality of education who remain in the work force usually have comparable earnings to their male counterparts.

For example, I work with 5 women in my group. All 5 make less than I do. Two of them have attained neither my level education, professional certification and have 12 to 15 years less experience in this job. One has my level of education but she only has an MBA and not a Masters in science degree and again has only 6 years experience to my 23. Of the two remaining that do have my level and quality of education only one has professional certification and both have around 10 years experience and they make slightly less than I do but only because I've been doing job at a higher level for a longer period of time. All these women except one are about my age. Why do I have substantially more experience then them? They all dropped out of the work force for about 10 years to raise children.

You make an interesting point, about women who left the workplace to raise kids. Of the women in your group, I wonder why none of their husbands stayed at home instead. Maybe the answer is that the husbands were earning more money at the time. And that brings us back to the same old dilemma.

 

[christiefan915]

Thank God cooler heads prevailed.....its not what you get paid, its what you do to get that pay....

Do male nurses make more than female nurses ?... and if they do, are they doing something different in the job than the women do....
thats the important question.....

And what do you think that different something could be? Please don't say "heavy lifting". I know plenty of nurses who can lift patients, in fact they're trained in the proper ways of doing so. Furthermore, nurses aren't hired on the basis of their physical strength, so you're going to have to come up with a reason other than that, because I can't think of anything.

Government shouldn't start dictating what employees have to pay any one....

We've been there, done that. The larger issue is discrimination, not payroll.

if an employer isn't paying what you think you're worth, quit and find a better job.....thats the way its been since the beginning of civilization where people traded goods for services....and thats the way it should be.....

Women think their worth the same paycheck as their male counterparts for the same job. Why is this even an issue?

when you hire some one to paint you house, you don't get 10 estimates and hire the one that charges the most do you ?.....
Why should it be any different when the shoe is on the other foot....

I hire service people based on how close they come to providing exactly what I want. This has nothing to do with cost and nothing to do with gender, either.

You don't go for a new car and buy from the dealer that gives you the worst deal do you....?

This has nothing to do with gender. Male or female can give me the worst deal or the best deal. You're going to have to dig deeper for examples.

 

[Socrtease]

I suspect that several men here enjoy putting up flame bait hoping to upset me. It's pretty funny. I get emails about this stuff. I got a couple of emails about this thread, and i also got them about the big c-word hoopla. And even though I told my friends I'm taking a break until the election, and that was my intention, I end up coming here to read what they told me about. So yeah, you guys are upsetting women, but not really me anymore. Still, a win is a win...congratulations, a couple of men had nothing to do on a Saturday so they baited women on the internet. woo hoo big win! Hey Soc, maybe next week you'll grow a pair and bait a man.

Now, to the point. Helen Smith is not a feminist. She's a right wing loon and an MRA married to Glen Reynolds, who every righty on here will know. She just published a book in which she claims there is a war on men, a war on Christmas, and wait for it...a war on white people. So that's the piece of shit you have aligned yourself with.

To the "article" she wrote. Let me get this straight...I'm supposed to be concerned because a some percentage of loser men are allegedly going to not go to college, purposefully seek out low-paying jobs, and then...refuse to marry me? Oh pass me my smelling salts. What a loss. Please no, my whole dream in life is to marry a whining loser with no education who works at McDonalds. This is so unfair! Couldn't you have prepared we poor bitches for this stunning blow Soc? Have you no decency?

And Helen Smith, "feminist" truly believes that men are so lazy and dumb they are going to purposefully stay uneducated, purposefully pursue low-wage jobs with no future, and play video games all night to get back at women? You know, I don't know any men like that, so I don't hold those low opinions or sweeping generalizations about them.

I know a lot of very educated men with great jobs, or businesses, who love spending time with bright, witty, accomplished women. Boy, am I lucky huh? Well, all I can say is, poor, poor Helen.

Feminism now is like fundamentalist christianity. If you go against the Dogma, your not really one of them. And your right Darla, I did post this exclusively to bait the true believers, just as I would an article by a Christian who would say that God doesn't condemn gay marriage. To watch the true believers bend and contort in ways to show how the person in the article is a REAL whatever.

 

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Feminism now is like fundamentalist christianity. If you go against the Dogma, your not really one of them. And your right Darla, I did post this exclusively to bait the true believers, just as I would an article by a Christian who would say that God doesn't condemn gay marriage. To watch the true believers bend and contort in ways to show how the person in the article is a REAL whatever.

The woman in the article presented a premise that is not only demeaning to men, it's completely invented.

If you know men who actually are refusing to go to college and accepting only low-wage jobs with no futures, in order to spite women, I suggest you start socializing with a better class of men. They sound kinda like retards.

Pretending that men are that stupid, was the only bending and contorting going on in this thread Soc.

 

[Socrtease]

I wore a Pass The ERA button all the way through high school even though it was no longer even up for ratification. I was VP of Students for Choice in College my first year and President my second year. At the time the only male to EVER hold those positions. The truth of the matter is Feminists (most) do still look for outrages. They spend a ton of time arguing over stupid shit, tilt at windmills and can't see that for the most part women have benefited from the civil rights movement more than black people did. I spent two days in a Women's Studies class listening to self absorbed women argue over how Woman/Women should be spelled. Was it Womyn? Womin? Every woman in that class stood to make .75 cents for every dollar I made and the spelling of women took center stage for 2 classes.

 

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I wore a Pass The ERA button all the way through high school even though it was no longer even up for ratification. I was VP of Students for Choice in College my first year and President my second year. At the time the only male to EVER hold those positions. The truth of the matter is Feminists (most) do still look for outrages. They spend a ton of time arguing over stupid shit, tilt at windmills and can't see that for the most part women have benefited from the civil rights movement more than black people did. I spent two days in a Women's Studies class listening to self absorbed women argue over how Woman/Women should be spelled. Was it Womyn? Womin? Every woman in that class stood to make .75 cents for every dollar I made and the spelling of women took center stage for 2 classes.

Blah blah blah blah blah.

Right, so anyway, the premise of the article you did post, was that men are "going Galt" and refusing to go to college, refusing to take any job that is not a low-income job with no future, and dedicating their lives to poverty and video games in order to "spite" women.

Anytime you want to address your actual OP, let me know.

 

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I remember many years ago in the '70s there was a woman called Arianna Stassinopoulos who used to rail against the feminists of the time and their obsession with ridiculing women who didn't want to go to work and preferred to stay at home and raise children. You can see some of that venom in Darla's outpourings. Anyway, Ms. Stassinopoulos went to America married well and reinvented herself as Arianna Huffington and dumped most of her old views. I believe that she was right back then and society has become far more selfish, shallow and materialistic because of the 'have it all obsession' so evident today.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...oulos-the-siren-of-the-seventies-1443305.html

Your such a cultural snob. While you have a right to your opinion I don't think it holds up when looked at in perspective. Back in the 60's white cultural norms included looking down on a man whose wife worked. It was a slight to his ability to support his family as a man. The fact that my father worked two jobs to support his family while my mother stayed home was accepted as right and natural. I know what my mother went through with my father when she decided to go to work. It was a battle royal, but she went back to work and in the end our family began to prosper. Until she went back to work it was a struggle because we didn't have enough money to get ahead. It was in the 60's that our economics made it impossible for women to stay at home with children. I was one of the few, in the 70's, who was able to do it and we did without much of what was considered 'normal' while our son grew up. Economics drove much of what happened and women have been blamed for much of what men consider their loss. Misogynistic religious leaders have beaten this drum for over 40 years and now it's coming back again?

This is one of the cultural sticks used against blacks as well. Black men couldn't find work or if they did it was so poorly paid they were labeled lazy because their women worked.

Your argument is nonsense.

 

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Feminism now is like fundamentalist christianity. If you go against the Dogma, your not really one of them. And your right Darla, I did post this exclusively to bait the true believers, just as I would an article by a Christian who would say that God doesn't condemn gay marriage. To watch the true believers bend and contort in ways to show how the person in the article is a REAL whatever.

You can't be serious, but of course you are. Bwahahaha! You're a joke.

 

[christiefan915]

Feminism now is like fundamentalist christianity. If you go against the Dogma, your not really one of them. And your right Darla, I did post this exclusively to bait the true believers, just as I would an article by a Christian who would say that God doesn't condemn gay marriage. To watch the true believers bend and contort in ways to show how the person in the article is a REAL whatever.

You posted comments from an entitled faux-feminist with an agenda and you think we should just accept it?

This is one of the first things she wrote about herself on her blog: "I am a disenchanted psychologist who has spent much of my time listening to liberal blather and decided to write a blog about my views on a number of topics. My actual job consists of a private practice where I do forensic and mental evaluations for courts, attorneys and other agencies."

The woman has an anti-liberal agenda and we're right to call her out on it.

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2005/11/about-me.html

 

[Haiku]

Only in a true representative democracy.

 

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Darla's effect on misogynists like Tommy TuTu the Slimy Limey and Mod-Troll Soc...

 

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Darla's effect on misogynists like Tommy TuTu the Slimy Limey and Mod-Troll Soc...

And they project all of THEIR hate and resentment and bitterness onto me! I don't get it - I don't have a problem! LOL It's just amazing. I don't feel anyone is trying to take anything from me. Everything's cool with me. But they insist I'm the one with the problem. Okay.

 

[christiefan915]

according to my wife, the sociologist, women are routinely ill treated by doctors who consider their complaints hypochondria and bids for attention

i used to accompany my wife to doctor appointments to insure that her complaint was treated as real, however, i no longer have to as we both have the same lady doctor (an internists) who takes her time and listens

How's this for irony, Don. Helen Smith had this kind of bad experience when she was having a heart attack.

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2005/10/more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-my.html

 

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You posted comments from an entitled faux-feminist with an agenda and you think we should just accept it?

This is one of the first things she wrote about herself on her blog: "I am a disenchanted psychologist who has spent much of my time listening to liberal blather and decided to write a blog about my views on a number of topics. My actual job consists of a private practice where I do forensic and mental evaluations for courts, attorneys and other agencies."

The woman has an anti-liberal agenda and we're right to call her out on it.

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2005/11/about-me.html

She also wrote a book arguing that there's a war on white people! LMAO.

Misogynists will grasp onto anything in order to vent their anxieties I guess.

 

[Haiku]

Feminists shrink penis'!!! They're dangerous to sperm!!!

 

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Yes.

 

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You posted comments from an entitled faux-feminist with an agenda and you think we should just accept it?

This is one of the first things she wrote about herself on her blog: "I am a disenchanted psychologist who has spent much of my time listening to liberal blather and decided to write a blog about my views on a number of topics. My actual job consists of a private practice where I do forensic and mental evaluations for courts, attorneys and other agencies."

The woman has an anti-liberal agenda and we're right to call her out on it.

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2005/11/about-me.html

Are liberals the only ones that can be feminists? I'm sure that Condeleeza Rice would disagree about that.