Who is the real extremist on abortion?

Unk said:
No. I'm not.

The woman is. She gets to choose what happens in her body. And pregnancy is no cakewalk. It's actually quite dangerous. So who are you to demand she go through all that as - what? Punishment for being sexually active?

You're not God. Not even close.
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We call it, "Taking responsibility for our decisions and our actions".....kinda like, don't do the crime if you can't serve the time......if you can't stand the heat, etc....
Its the price of civilization and being civilized.....doing the right thing.....owning up.....
Abortion isn't contraception.....hey, but its your life and its legal.....knock yourself out and have fun
And if that baby MIGHT will keep you up at night, kill it....
 
Bijou said:
Why is controlling the decisions of others such a compulsion for you?
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I could ask why you expect the rest of us to pay for your mistakes and decisions....

Compulsion ?
It isn't....and I know its impossible to control anyone.....it bothers me that abortion is now no more a serious matter than throwing out the garbage....
we just deny what it is that is actually happening.....its nothing but a lump of filthy cells like a cancerous tumor......
we deny we're killing a human being.....whether its at its earliest stages of growth and development or somewhere else....we think some magic happens when it leaves the womb like a miracle took place in the delivery room, when the miracle really took place at conception....biology.... I use 'miracle' in the generic sense, not the religious, being agnostic. I'm not one for killing the innocent....whether its dogs or cats or children.....

But it doesn't effect my life in the least....millions are killed every year and not made a impact on my life....
 
bravo said:
It isn't....and I know its impossible to control anyone.....it bothers me that abortion is now no more a serious matter than throwing out the garbage....
we just deny what it is that is actually happening.....its nothing but a lump of filthy cells like a cancerous tumor......
we deny we're killing a human being.....whether its at its earliest stages of growth and development or somewhere else....we think some magic happens when it leaves the womb like a miracle took place in the delivery room, when the miracle really took place at conception....biology.... I use 'miracle' in the generic sense, not the religious, being agnostic. I'm not one for killing the innocent....whether its dogs or cats or children.....

But it doesn't effect my life in the least....millions are killed every year and not made a impact on my life....
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Worry about your own sex life and womb. Others and theirs are none of your business. End of story.
 
Bijou said:
Worry about your own sex life and womb. Others and theirs are none of your business. End of story.
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Murder and robbery and child abuse bother me too, so does sunburn and the flu.....and I don't ask you to pay anything concerning MY sex life.....

Your demands on my tax money make some things my business.

Pregnancy is not a disease and contraception is not healthcare....personal responsibility is a good thing....
 
bravo said:
Murder and robbery and child abuse bother me too, so does sunburn and the flu.....and I don't ask you to pay anything concerning MY sex life.....

Your demands on my tax money make some things my business.

Pregnancy is not a disease and contraception is not healthcare....personal responsibility is a good thing....
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Tough shit. My taxes pay for wars. Contraception IS health care, idiot. You don't like it. Boo hoo. Grow up. Or move.
 
Bijou said:
I've already had this discussion with you and already demonstrated why you're wrong.

It's about choice 100%. The window is plenty large enough to CHOOSE within the 20-week, pre-viability window.
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you did not demonstrate that I was wrong, I am not sure if you fully understand my argument.

Yes, we agree, the 20-week pre-viability allows someone to have that choice. But the point is that the option to abort is DERIVED from the viability of the fetus. When the fetus is viabile, the choice goes away (except in limited circumstances)

And thus, it's viability, not choice, that is the relevant factor.
 
bravo said:
So you'll not accept one mythical extreme to go Obama's stated extreme.....like the song says, "Its your life and you can do what you want".....thats freedom.

Enjoy the Koolade....
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Backatcha, FECAL.
 
G r I n D said:
you did not demonstrate that I was wrong, I am not sure if you fully understand my argument.

Yes, we agree, the 20-week pre-viability allows someone to have that choice. But the point is that the option to abort is DERIVED from the viability of the fetus. When the fetus is viabile, the choice goes away (except in limited circumstances)

And thus, it's viability, not choice, that is the relevant factor.
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Less than 2% of abortions performed are late-term (post 18 weeks) because more than 98% of women who stay pregnant up until that point have already chosen to carry it to term. Thus it is not the relevant factor.
 
bravo said:
We call it, "Taking responsibility for our decisions and our actions".....kinda like, don't do the crime if you can't serve the time......if you can't stand the heat, etc....
Its the price of civilization and being civilized.....doing the right thing.....owning up.....
Abortion isn't contraception.....hey, but its your life and its legal.....knock yourself out and have fun
And if that baby MIGHT will keep you up at night, kill it....
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Fuck you, you ignorant, completely clueless, cunt.
 
Unk said:
What do you care what I think.
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it's my never ending quest for the inherent contradiction.....you believe humans were 'made' to have sex....do you also think they were 'made' to kill their unborn children if they get pregnant as a result?....
 
Bijou said:
I'm still waiting for you to bring your a-game, loser. Where's the promised 'Full Contact Debate' you keep threatening to unleash?

Bring it, retard.

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its a war of attrition, slut.......come October, November of discussions like this on a daily basis, we'll see if you feel the same way.....
 
Bijou said:
Less than 2% of abortions performed are late-term (post 18 weeks) because more than 98% of women who stay pregnant up until that point have already chosen to carry it to term. Thus it is not the relevant factor.
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I agree, I am not saying late term abortions are a big problem.

The reason I harp on this choice angle is because it's usually bad logic, the ability to abort does not derive out of choice. it never has. In fact, if hypothetically a fetus was viable at 4 months, the laws would probably be changed to reflect that. The laws follow the viability of the fetus, not the choice of the woman.

It would be like saying "I am pro-choice when it comes to killing 4 year olds, I personally don't support killing 4 year olds but I support the right to choose"

No one is going to think that's a reasonable position to have because a 4 year old is a fully realized person. It doesn't matter if you don't "personally support it, but just the choice.." The argument is insane on its face.

Do you see where I am going with this?

Choice has always taken a back seat to viability. Viability is where all arguments on this issue derive from. The ABILITY to choose hinges on / is dependent on / and derives from, viability.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
its a war of attrition, slut.......come October, November of discussions like this on a daily basis, we'll see if you feel the same way.....
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What difference do you think a couple of months and/or an election will make on my opinion of obsessed, uber-religious whackjobs fixated on the sex lives of others?

Answer: None.

My guess is you're speculating that you won't be able to withstand the daily humiliation you're going to endure until then.

Bring your best game, obsesso. You'll need to. :D
 
G r I n D said:
I agree, I am not saying late term abortions are a big problem.

The reason I harp on this choice angle is because it's usually bad logic, the ability to abort does not derive out of choice. it never has. In fact, if hypothetically a fetus was viable at 4 months, the laws would probably be changed to reflect that. The laws follow the viability of the fetus, not the choice of the woman.

It would be like saying "I am pro-choice when it comes to killing 4 year olds, I personally don't support killing 4 year olds but I support the right to choose"

No one is going to think that's a reasonable position to have because a 4 year old is a fully realized person. It doesn't matter if you don't "personally support it, but just the choice.." The argument is insane on its face.

Do you see where I am going with this?

Choice has always taken a back seat to viability. Viability is where all arguments on this issue derive from. The ABILITY to choose hinges on / is dependent on / and derives from, viability.
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Okay, that makes some sense. :)
 
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