Science Denial Runs Red and Blue

President of Venezuala said:
We are finding that the exceptions are much less rare than we had that, and phenotypical expression as the other gender mentally is fairly common regardless of chromosomes, due to the failure of the gender signalling mechanisms to successfully control it.

Gender supremacy like you subscribe to is a pseudoscientific ideology with no support from the scientific consensus.
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Can you rewrite this part? Bold font ^^

and what is "Gender supremacy?" an ideaology?

Are you smoking crack?
 
PoliTalker said:
And then there are the little girls who turn into boys at puberty.

They are called Guevedoce.

"Puberty can be an awkward time for anybody, but spare a thought for the Guevedoce children of the Dominican Republic, who literally appear to change their sex when they hit adolescence.

As covered by Michael Mosley in the 2015 BBC series, Countdown to Life: The Extraordinary Making of You, the remarkable case of the Guevedoces is a condition that affects just over 1 percent of the boys born in Salinas, a remote village lying in the southwest of the Dominican Republic.

Guevedoces (literal translation "penis at 12") - who are also called "machihembras", meaning "first a woman, then a man" - appear to be completely female at birth and are brought up to be little girls.

"When they're born, they look like girls with no testes and what appears to be a vagina," wrote Mosley for The Telegraph back in 2015. "It is only when they near puberty that the penis grows and testicles descend."

After the developments of puberty, Guevedoces grow up to be fully functional males in their society, although some telltale signs do give away their unique biological heritage.

"Apart from being slightly undersized, everything works and the Guavadoces normally live out their lives as men," wrote Mosley, "albeit with wispy beards and small prostates.""

In This Remote Village, Some Boys Don't Grow a Penis Until They're 12

Must be pretty awkward for Christianity to deal with this. Would bathroom laws force these men to use the women's bathrooms for life because that's what they were identified as upon birth?

"The condition is not isolated to just the Dominican Republic, it's also been observed in Turkey and New Guinea."
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That's amazing. I wonder how this affects their sexual orientation and preferences.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello anonymoose,



I believe your perception is inaccurate.

Deniers are always demanding proof. Evidence is offered but not generally claimed to be proof..
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Especially because most are not qualified to assess whether of not the evidence is conclusive.
 
Oneuli said:
As discussed above, even for those who fit within relatively arbitrary phenotype definitions, there's a spectrum of variation. It's a bit like setting a definition of "red" at arbitrary high and low frequency thresholds in the spectrum of visible light. You can define that as red and then say color is binary -- that something is either red or it isn't red. But that's a definitional game, rather than a necessary consequence of physics. Within "red," there's a spectrum, and there are points in the "red" and "non-red" category that are closer to each other than they are to other points in their respective categories.

It may be easier to think of if you look at hormones besides sex hormones. For example, consider insulin insensitivity. That's not binary. It's not like one day you're 100% sensitive to insulin, and the next day you're not. It's a spectrum of growing insensitivity. Similarly, androgen insensitivity is a spectrum. There's full androgen insensitivity, partial, and minimal. And even those are arbitrary categories and would include a spectrum within them as well. There are likely levels of androgen insensitivity that are so minimal that it wouldn't even be recognized as an example of the syndrome, and the person might go through life not even realizing he suffered from it, with no symptoms other than having a somewhat "girly" appearance and low sperm counts.

For some reason, many people, especially on the right, get really uncomfortable about the FACT of sex being non-binary, but science is science and the discomfort doesn't alter it.
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I believe at this point you both are having a semantic argument and a sort of calculus issue...
Mott can respond to the spectrum analogy by saying 49.99 percent of the photons are all smushed towards then Red
and another 49.99 are smushed towards violet. and then there is a .02 floating in the green.
Expressed that way, a sexual spectrum sounds pretty binary.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I'm fairly liberal and I'm a biologist. Though intersex births do occur, they are rare, less than 1% of births. It is the consensus that these intersex births are anomalous. They are atypical. They are rare occurences. We also know that gender identity is not a social construct. The body of evidence points to the fact that a persons gender identity, whether they subjectively feel male or female, is the result of prenatal hormonal exposure. What you're attempting to define as a mosaic of traits are natural variations within a phenotype, that individual, for the vast majority of persons, sex and gender are binary. They are either male or female. That's a largely agreed upon fact, free of political bias, that is easily observable.

This "mosaic"argument is weak, cherry picks it's information and down plays the obvious, such as that despite natural phenotypical variation, that the sex of that person is still homologous as male or female for the vast majority of people. That is, it's binary. That's really the big huge hole in the non-binary arguments. You can't explain away these homologies with phenotypical variation.
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As a practical matter, how is the medical community supposed to treat these people?

We ALWAYS treat patients as either male or female—regardless if they feel otherwise. A man who identifies as a woman will get treated as a man and vis a versa. When I’m setting up a total knee replacement I only need to know one thing—the gender of the patient. It doesn’t matter how they think of themselves and if they told me I’d just ignore it and get ready for the appropriate *gender dependent* cut on the tibia. That’s just in my little part of the world. Gender is one of the most important things to know before you treat a patient.

So maybe Oneoli can give us some ‘where the rubber meets the road’ advice on how to treat these people who exhibit ‘a mosaic’ of gender attributes.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
As a practical matter, how is the medical community supposed to treat these people?

We ALWAYS treat patients as either male or female—regardless if they feel otherwise. A man who identifies as a woman will get treated as a man and vis a versa. When I’m setting up a total knee replacement I only need to know one thing—the gender of the patient. It doesn’t matter how they think of themselves and if they told me I’d just ignore it and get ready for the appropriate *gender dependent* cut on the tibia. That’s just in my little part of the world. Gender is one of the most important things to know before you treat a patient.

So maybe Oneoli can give us some ‘where the rubber meets the road’ advice on how to treat these people who exhibit ‘a mosaic’ of gender attributes.
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She, like so many progressives are besotted with gender politics. Medical practicalities intrude little into her dogmatic view of the world.
 
Oneuli said:
There's certainly some science denialism on the left, especially when it comes to GMOs, but it's nowhere close to the right. For example, did you know there are right-wingers so colossally ignorant of science that they actually think sex is a binary matter? As anyone with even a remote familiarity with the science can tell you, that's just not true. It's not just a clean-cut XX/XY option. There's X, there's XXX, XXY, XYY, XXXX, XXXY, XXXXX, and various mosaic variations that mix those. Then there are hormone variations even for those that fall within the XX or XY groups. For example, there are those that are XY, but with adrogen insensitivity, or issues with androgen production, which can lead either to Hermaphrodism, or even a complete female habitus. And that's not even to get into issues of sexuality and gender identification, nor the ways that sexual characteristics can be altered by surgery, hormone therapy, etc. But, when a person is driven not by scientific curiosity, but instead by a political agenda, all that must be ignored, for the sake of embracing a comfortingly simple-minded notion that sex is binary.
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Thanks, well said. I tried to explain this by linking to the CDC's scholarly discussion (with references included).... but yeah.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
As a practical matter, how is the medical community supposed to treat these people?

We ALWAYS treat patients as either male or female—regardless if they feel otherwise. A man who identifies as a woman will get treated as a man and vis a versa. When I’m setting up a total knee replacement I only need to know one thing—the gender of the patient. It doesn’t matter how they think of themselves and if they told me I’d just ignore it and get ready for the appropriate *gender dependent* cut on the tibia. That’s just in my little part of the world. Gender is one of the most important things to know before you treat a patient.

So maybe Oneoli can give us some ‘where the rubber meets the road’ advice on how to treat these people who exhibit ‘a mosaic’ of gender attributes.
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Well let me ask you this, how often have you experienced that dilemma in your clinical experience?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Oh yes. They were ubiquitous on the old Amazon forum as well. At least one of them followed us over to JPP. He also believes that 9/11 was an Israeli job.

It's pretty amazing when you think about it. Somehow the government can't do *anything* right, except for hatching and keeping secret various vast conspiracies against the people.
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I know, huh. The government's done a fine job over the past 20+ years of covering up all of Hillary's crimes, according to RWNJs.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
LOL -- but for some odd reason, no one's bothering to cover up Trump's. I wonder why? lol
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And also, there aren't any despite 20 years trying to pin something on her. They eventually got a count of perjury
for not admitting he got a BJ. I love that, by the way. Every time I hear Repubes complain about how far flung they think this investigation goes
from its initial purpose, must they be reminded that the Star investigation was not BJ Gate? It was supposed to be about a private real estate deal BEFORE
Bill was in the white house. It ended up with lying under oath about getting a blowjob.

Did these clueless fools complain then, you know, the same ones complaining that democrats are investigating SUBVERTING DEMOCRACY
USING RUSSIA TO GET A PRESIDENT?

Idiots. Losers. Liars. No wonder they voted for an idiot loser and liar
 
Micawber said:
And also, there aren't any despite 20 years trying to pin something on her. They eventually got a count of perjury
for not admitting he got a BJ. I love that, by the way. Every time I hear Repubes complain about how far flung they thing this investigation goes
must they be reminded that the Star investigation was not BJ Gate?
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I know it. Impeached for lying about a BJ -- while meanwhile, their Tangerine Toddler lies every. single. day. Pays porn stars off to not divulge his extramarital affairs and mushroom-shaped dick. Kowtows to murderous dictators while disrespecting our intel community, institutions, flag, Constitution. But BJ -- yeah, that's serious shit right there.
 
christiefan915 said:
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I know, huh. The government's done a fine job over the past 20+ years of covering up all of Hillary's crimes, according to RWNJs.
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Yeah they did that by having her investigated about a dozen times. They started back at the bullshit Whitewater fiasco and kept it up every year after. That is some complex system of covering up. ...Or you are completely wrong.
 
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