Superfreak
Verified User
What you ignore is that the 97% so often quoted by the parrots is 97% of the scientists that were willing to state an opinion on the topic. The VAST majority said not enough was known to formulate an opinion as of yet.
Science Denial Runs Red and Blue
- Thread starter Mott the Hoople
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What you ignore is that the 97% so often quoted by the parrots is 97% of the scientists that were willing to state an opinion on the topic. The VAST majority said not enough was known to formulate an opinion as of yet.
Superfreak
Verified User
In the years before many on here now joined the board, you displayed what a misogynistic stalking piece of shit you were.
You continue to post one straw man after another. You continue to pretend you are some enlightened individual. You are a coward. You stalk women. You treat them like shit. You are a piece of shit. Do try to remember that. It will save me from having to remind you every time you post your nonsense.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
I think the point is the Y chromosome functions as a trigger but the actual code for gender parts lie elsewhere in the genome.
How that proves gender isn’t binary [apart from rare instances of an actual genetic mix up] escapes me though lol.
There's certainly some science denialism on the left, especially when it comes to GMOs, but it's nowhere close to the right. For example, did you know there are right-wingers so colossally ignorant of science that they actually think sex is a binary matter? As anyone with even a remote familiarity with the science can tell you, that's just not true. It's not just a clean-cut XX/XY option. There's X, there's XXX, XXY, XYY, XXXX, XXXY, XXXXX, and various mosaic variations that mix those. Then there are hormone variations even for those that fall within the XX or XY groups. For example, there are those that are XY, but with adrogen insensitivity, or issues with androgen production, which can lead either to Hermaphrodism, or even a complete female habitus. And that's not even to get into issues of sexuality and gender identification, nor the ways that sexual characteristics can be altered by surgery, hormone therapy, etc. But, when a person is driven not by scientific curiosity, but instead by a political agenda, all that must be ignored, for the sake of embracing a comfortingly simple-minded notion that sex is binary.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
That's where DNA comes in. As I stated earlier DNA analysis corroborates fossil evidence. It's way to complicated to discuss it here but Richard Dawkins explains it pretty well in at least two of his books I've read.
As far as climate change, I agree with you.
If we had the technology in the 1950's for instance, that exists today no telling how much studies would have been done indicating 'climate change'.
Another thing that bugs me is all the dishonesty about doomsday scenarios that never come about. One can't help but be skeptical with all the static they spew.
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Superfreak
Verified User
It is indeed the trigger. But saying it contains almost no genetic information is what I am questioning the most. Because that is nonsense. (unless things have changed that dramatically in the past few decades)
Darth Omar
Russian asset
You persist in lumping genetically caused gender mix-ups in with the Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner types when they are two distinct phenomena. Not to mention the fact the former group is much more rare than the other.
That’s not very scientific.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
I don’t remember either and I don’t feel like looking it up lol.
Whether it does or doesn’t contain much genetic information does nothing to help his point.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Oh yes. They were ubiquitous on the old Amazon forum as well. At least one of them followed us over to JPP. He also believes that 9/11 was an Israeli job.
It's pretty amazing when you think about it. Somehow the government can't do *anything* right, except for hatching and keeping secret various vast conspiracies against the people.
Superfreak
Verified User
I agree, but it does highlight his ignorance on genetics.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
That is intellectual honesty.
Plus that 97% BS has been debunked repeatedly for many reasons. Funny how that 97% has never changed.
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Darth Omar
Russian asset
But one still has to accept that the ape-like to man scenario can’t be repeated.
It’s why I tend towards agnosticism on much of evolution’s broader claims. And that would likely get me kicked out of many biology departments but that’s another debate lol.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
lol, of course not. That was an event, not experiment. Tests with DNA can be repeated and they corroborate what's in the fossil record.
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Darth Omar
Russian asset
Except when they don’t?
Are you claiming DNA tests absolutely affirm the fossil record?
I didn't say a thing about Jenner. I'm addressing the clearly incorrect statement that sex is binary. It's not. That science denial runs strong among right-wingers.... much the same as denial of anthropogenic climate, denial of evolution, young-earth creationism, and a tendency to deny the reality of just about any statistical evidence that doesn't fit with received prejudices.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
Not me, but yes. Absolutely. Read The Selfish Gene, The Ancestor's Tale and The Greatest Show on Earth, all by Richard Dawkins. He brings it all together but they're long reads and pretty dry IMO. I learned a lot from reading them although much of The Ancestor's Tale is a repeat.
Every time I read one of his books I'm amazed at how much knowledge is packed into them with tons of footnotes for reference.
Basically the fossil record affirms the DNA evidence and vice versa. They cross reference each other.
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The DNA evidence really put the icing on the cake, because there's a whole series of things we expected to see in the DNA, based on what we'd already inferred from the fossil record and comparative morphology. So DNA came along after evolutionary theory was already firmly established, and served as an independent check on it. In theory, it could have completely blown up the theory, if what we saw in those molecules wasn't what we'd see if evolution had occurred more or less as theorized. Instead, what we found was what one would expect given the theory.... for example, close genetic similarities between humans and other great apes, similarities with the DNA of extinct hominids, etc. There's a reason that the last vestiges of honest intellectual rejection of the basics of evolution by natural selection disappeared around the time DNA evidence came about, and the only people left disputing the basics were religious cranks.
He's a gifted science writer. He is one of the few who can find that middle ground where he's neither asking too much of a non-expert reader, nor insulting the intelligence. Too many science writers go one way or the other -- either they write for fellow academics and so you have to work your ass off to follow from page to page unless you already have a grad-level degree in the particular area, or they write something that is oversimplified to the point of fundamentally misstating the ideas, while mostly just going back over material you've known since Junior High. I wish more would emulate Dawkins, where he writes with the assumption you have a solid high school education in the topic and a good broad-based amateur understanding of science concepts, and then builds you up from there.
Superfreak
Verified User
No, try reading the sources for the 97%. Clearly all you have read is 97% agree! and that is enough for you.
Again, the VAST majority did not take a position on man being the primary driver of warming.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Yet for the vast majority it is. Reconcile this with the facts as they are known. Also, even with the genetic mosaics you're pointing out...for the large majority of those with these anomolous expression...their sex and gender identity are binary. Please reconcile this too. Then also take into account the affect that hormones have in development of sex and gender identity and explain why for the overwhelming majority sex and gender are binary?
Sure there are rare exception to our phenotype....but they are exactly that...exceptions.