John McShame is a real pill

[Русский агент]

Boy howdy I sure called that one! oh, here's MORE proof: Trump’s message to Democrats: Negotiate Obamacare, or payments to insurers will be cut http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/16/donald-trump-threatens-obamacare-payment-cuts-to-p/

Proof of what, Zappacrite?

Perhaps you forgot exactly what you claimed, Zappacrite.

Once more, since you have libnesia:

Isn't the average premium under the mis-named "Affordable Care Act" already approaching $19,000 a year?

Only because Congressional GOP refuses to do anything to help lower those premiums.

Please extract and post the text from your link that you FEEL proves your claim, Zappacrite.

I'll understand if you can't.

And where's your list of "revenue streams that Republicans have cut off one after another in order to strangle Obamacare out of existence"?

 

[Русский агент]

I will, right after you condemn ILA and noise for wishing death on another human being.

I condemn ILA and noise for wishing death on another human being.

 

[Русский агент]

When enrollment goes down premiums go up. By cutting funding to promote enrollment congress and Trump effectively raise the premiums... You can't deny that. It is part of their plan to try to make the AHA look like a " disaster "...

I can and do deny that your opinion proves Zappacrite's claims, Buxter.

Read what he claimed and get back to me.

Sux 2 b Buck.

 

[Teflon Don]

Lovely.

Over 20 million people just kept their health insurance. McCain just saved countless lives.

Please

 

[Teflon Don]

They need to fix Obamacare - thought it's not "crashing" as your fake Trump news would have you believe.

But McCain is right - make it a bipartisan effort. Get everyone on board w/ a plan that makes sense.

Nope.

 

[Buckly J. Ewer]

I can and do deny that your opinion proves Zappacrite's claims, Buxter.

Read what he claimed and get back to me.

Sux 2 b Buck.

It is well understood that enrollment in Obamacare is linked directly to premium costs...
It is also well understood that congress and Trump have defunded enrollment advertising for the specific purpose to driving down enrollment and drive up premium costs to make the AHA look worse that it would have at the expense of Americans.
You can not deny factual evidence without losing credibility yourself...
OOOOPS! Sorry! Looks like that ship has sailed.

 

[Buckly J. Ewer]

I condemn ILA and noise for wishing death on another human being.

They are your friends.

 

[zappasguitar]

When enrollment goes down premiums go up.
By cutting funding to promote enrollment congress and Trump effectively raise the premiums...
You can't deny that.
It is part of their plan to try to make the AHA look like a " disaster "...

How the GOP destroyed ObamaCare:

The Affordable Care Act isn't raising your premiums. Republicans are

Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan, Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price and Trump have used repeatedly: that the Affordable Care Act is in a so-called "death spiral" that will inevitably "explode," so they need to pass a bill, no matter how terrible, before it does. That narrative is patently false. In fact, most of the instability driving up premiums in the marketplace can be directly traced to Republicans' efforts to undermine the health care law for their own political purposes.

Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, for example, was among the first to land a blow. In 2014, he proudly led a successful effort to cut funding for the "risk corridors" program. Rubio called the payments made from these funds a "bailout" for insurers, but in fact the program was an integral backstop to help control premiums as insurance companies in the marketplaces adjusted to the new population they were covering. The consequence of that ploy to score political points was that some insurers left the marketplace, and many Americans' premiums went up.

Perhaps the most drastic way that the Trump administration is sabotaging American's health insurance is by refusing to commit to reimbursing health plans for the cost-sharing reduction payments they make to lower out-of-pocket costs for their lowest income members. Insurance companies are currently in the process of determining their rates for the 2018 plan year, and without a guarantee from the administration that they will receive the payments they are owed, they will factor that added cost into their premiums for next year. And you don't have to take my word for it – the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that insurers would need to raise premiums for silver-level plans by an average of 19 percent to compensate if the administration will not commit to making the cost-sharing reduction payments.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/poli...aised-your-health-care-premiums-not-obamacare

 

[Русский агент]

It is well understood that enrollment in Obamacare is linked directly to premium costs... It is also well understood that congress and Trump have defunded enrollment advertising for the specific purpose to driving down enrollment and drive up premium costs to make the AHA look worse that it would have at the expense of Americans. You can not deny factual evidence without losing credibility yourself... OOOOPS! Sorry! Looks like that ship has sailed.

You have failed again to prove Zappacrite's claim, Buxly, despite your infantile repetition of your unsubstantiated opinions.

Review the text below and get back to me.

Isn't the average premium under the mis-named "Affordable Care Act" already approaching $19,000 a year?

Only because Congressional GOP refuses to do anything to help lower those premiums.

Sucks 2 b Buck.

 

[Русский агент]

How the GOP destroyed ObamaCare: The Affordable Care Act isn't raising your premiums. Republicans are Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan, Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price and Trump have used repeatedly: that the Affordable Care Act is in a so-called "death spiral" that will inevitably "explode," so they need to pass a bill, no matter how terrible, before it does. That narrative is patently false. In fact, most of the instability driving up premiums in the marketplace can be directly traced to Republicans' efforts to undermine the health care law for their own political purposes. Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, for example, was among the first to land a blow. In 2014, he proudly led a successful effort to cut funding for the "risk corridors" program. Rubio called the payments made from these funds a "bailout" for insurers, but in fact the program was an integral backstop to help control premiums as insurance companies in the marketplaces adjusted to the new population they were covering. The consequence of that ploy to score political points was that some insurers left the marketplace, and many Americans' premiums went up. Perhaps the most drastic way that the Trump administration is sabotaging American's health insurance is by refusing to commit to reimbursing health plans for the cost-sharing reduction payments they make to lower out-of-pocket costs for their lowest income members. Insurance companies are currently in the process of determining their rates for the 2018 plan year, and without a guarantee from the administration that they will receive the payments they are owed, they will factor that added cost into their premiums for next year. And you don't have to take my word for it – the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that insurers would need to raise premiums for silver-level plans by an average of 19 percent to compensate if the administration will not commit to making the cost-sharing reduction payments. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/poli...aised-your-health-care-premiums-not-obamacare

Hilarious. Another opinion piece that cites Little Marco, a rival of Trump's for the presidency - whom I believe you despise, Zappacrite.

Read your claim again:

Isn't the average premium under the mis-named "Affordable Care Act" already approaching $19,000 a year?

Only because Congressional GOP refuses to do anything to help lower those premiums.

 

[zappasguitar]

TEN WAYS the GOP sabotaged ObamaCare!

Listed numerically...

https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2017/05/17/10-ways-the-gop-sabotaged-obamacare/

 

[Русский агент]

They are your friends.

I don't even know them, Buxamonga, and if I did, it wouldn't prevent me from condemning bad behavior. Only a liberal (like Zappacrite and Christiecrite, for example) gives people a pass because they like them.

Sucks 2 b Buck

 

[Русский агент]

TEN WAYS the GOP sabotaged ObamaCare! Listed numerically...https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2017/05/17/10-ways-the-gop-sabotaged-obamacare/

Another opinion piece that does not proves your claim, Zappacrite. using large fonts does not make an opinion fact, BTW.

Take another look at what Y O U claimed, Zappacrite.

Isn't the average premium under the mis-named "Affordable Care Act" already approaching $19,000 a year?

Only because Congressional GOP refuses to do anything to help lower those premiums.

 

[Русский агент]

I understand why you lemmingtards don't want a CBO score.

Let's see the CBO score for Obamacare.

 

[Русский агент]

Now, condemn Christiecrite for her hypocrisy, own up to your own double standard, and admit that you can't prove that Russell Walker is a "Trumpkin".

I will, right after you condemn ILA and noise for wishing death on another human being.

I condemn ILA and noise for wishing death on another human being.

Well, Zappacrite?

 

[Althea]

well get rid of that too.
There should be a "catasthropic plan"....who is gonna pay for all this Medicade expansion?
it was sold as a transition to SP..it's why I supported it to begin with.
we have the worst of both worlds now.Unfunded Medicade expansion and unaffordable Obamacare

Medicaid is not unfunded, and ACA was never 'sold' as a transition to SP. In fact, it was the opposite.

 

[zappasguitar]

Hilarious. Another opinion piece that cites Little Marco, a rival of Trump's for the presidency - whom I believe you despise, Zappacrite.

Read your claim again:

I cited TWO pieces of factual information that corroborates my claim:

"In 2014, Rubio proudly led a successful effort to cut funding for the "risk corridors" program. Rubio called the payments made from these funds a "bailout" for insurers, but in fact the program was an integral backstop to help control premiums as insurance companies in the marketplaces adjusted to the new population they were covering. The consequence of that ploy to score political points was that some insurers left the marketplace, and many Americans' premiums went up."

"Perhaps the most drastic way that the Trump administration is sabotaging American's health insurance is by refusing to commit to reimbursing health plans for the cost-sharing reduction payments they make to lower out-of-pocket costs for their lowest income members. Insurance companies are currently in the process of determining their rates for the 2018 plan year, and without a guarantee from the administration that they will receive the payments they are owed, they will factor that added cost into their premiums for next year."

the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that insurers would need to raise premiums for silver-level plans by an average of 19 percent to compensate if the administration will not commit to making the cost-sharing reduction payments.

And the Kaiser Family Foundation agrees with me.

 

[Althea]

Get over yourself. You want to play semantics? OK.

Guess you didn't watch the news on TV, listen to the news on the radio or read the news on the net or in print form last year.

If I'm going to discuss the specifics of a law, its funding, or any other aspect, I read the legislation. Not someone's opinion on same.

Semantics indeed. You don't know enough to intelligently address this issue.

Which is exactly what many on this site look for in a member.

 

[Althea]

Dude, there were endless stories about people who couldn't afford life-saving or life-changing care, and who didn't have insurance. Everyone knows someone who had an issue.

You think everything was hunky dory w/ the # of uninsured we had in this country? So many painful choices. So many situations where there was NO choice.

I thought Obamacare was rushed, and I did think that something like that should have involved both parties - but there is no question that it saved lives.

the vast majority on this board, and most other boards knows very little about health insurance. They think it's free, or whatever pittance they pay every two weeks via payroll deductions.

As such, you see a lot of misinformation whenever the topic comes up.

 

[Русский агент]

I cited TWO pieces of factual information that corroborates my claim: "In 2014, Rubio proudly led a successful effort to cut funding for the "risk corridors" program. Rubio called the payments made from these funds a "bailout" for insurers, but in fact the program was an integral backstop to help control premiums as insurance companies in the marketplaces adjusted to the new population they were covering. The consequence of that ploy to score political points was that some insurers left the marketplace, and many Americans' premiums went up." "Perhaps the most drastic way that the Trump administration is sabotaging American's health insurance is by refusing to commit to reimbursing health plans for the cost-sharing reduction payments they make to lower out-of-pocket costs for their lowest income members". Insurance companies are currently in the process of determining their rates for the 2018 plan year, and without a guarantee from the administration that they will receive the payments they are owed, they will factor that added cost into their premiums for next year." the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that insurers would need to raise premiums for silver-level plans by an average of 19 percent to compensate if the administration will not commit to making the cost-sharing reduction payments. And the Kaiser Family Foundation agrees with me.

I see a lot of "if", and "perhaps" and other opinions, Zappacrite.

Take another look at what Y O U claimed, Zappacrite.

Isn't the average premium under the mis-named "Affordable Care Act" already approaching $19,000 a year?

Only because Congressional GOP refuses to do anything to help lower those premiums.

You think some "ifs", and "perhaps" and opinions prove your claim, Zappacrite?

Have you got evidence, or not?