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So she claims, and so they say.

What do those fact-checking websites say about Hillary being a proven liar? :thinking:

I'll understand if you dance some more.
 
That's why closing the borders to travelers from hot spots was so important, yet many liberals opposed doing so and are still claiming it was "racist" and xenophobic."
Yep they are acting like epidemiologist did not have input into that decision. Liberals are just being a bunch of morons. Trump saved many lives slowing this thing down. If Trump had not acted quickly we would be in Italy's shape right now. Italy's hospitals are so overloaded they are having to decide who get's ICU beds and who dies. Old folks are the losers. Bad flu years push US hospitals to the limit. This easily could be worse. Everybody needs to practice social distancing in an attempt to slow this train down before it picks up speed.
 
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She did not say "we want open borders." Start at 0:50.


Regarding ICE, is she wrong?

Ocasio-Cortez campaign website: The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency was created in 2003, in the same suite of post-9/11 legislation as the Patriot Act and the Iraq War. Its founding was part of an unchecked expansion of executive powers that led to the widespread erosion of Americans’ civil rights. Unlike prior immigration enforcement under the INS, ICE operates outside the scope of the Department of Justice and is unaccountable to our nation’s standards of due process.

As overseen by the Trump administration, ICE operates with virtually no accountability, ripping apart families and holding our friends and neighbors indefinitely in inhumane detention centers scattered across the United States. Alex believes that if we are to uphold civic justice, we must abolish ICE and see to it that our undocumented neighbors are treated with the dignity and respect owed to all people, regardless of citizenship status.
And as for your last bit of silliness... "I won't dance, don't ask me." :)

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It’s in quotation marks, Miss Marple.
 
Yep they are acting like epidemiologist did not have input into that decision. Liberals are just being a bunch of morons. Trump saved many lives slowing this thing down. Italy's hospitals are so overloaded they are having to decide who get's ICU beds and who dies. Old folks are the losers.

Indeed. The EU stopped Italy from closing their borders, and their government-run healthcare system is overwhelmed as a result.
 
No, it’s true, AOC and many other Democrats want open borders...and the abolishment of ICE, Miss Marple.

“AOC Says Living in the US Is a Human Right – Calls for ‘Lifelong’ Reparations for Illegals

By Pluralist | Jul 23, 2019

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez seemed to advocate “open borders” during a town hall Saturday, suggesting that living in the United States is a human right.

Speaking to constituents in Queens, the New York Democrat characterized immigration as a form of “liberation.”

You're wrong Mr. Earl and I doubt you can find a single instance of AOC saying "I want open borders." Now read the following, especially the bolded:

SAN DIEGO, California—What’s the definition of “open borders”?

It’s just a buzz phrase to rile up people who want to get rid of illegal immigrants, cut back on legal immigrants, and make America white again. It’s the new weapon of choice, replacing the tired-out zinger of the 1990s: “amnesty.”

...look at President Trump himself,
Here’s how I define “open borders.” For me, “open” means open. There would be no guards, no fencing, and no impediments of any kind. Anyone who wants to cross the international boundary—for any reason, and with whatever intent—could do so. It would be like it was before May 28, 1924, the date that the U.S. Border Patrol was formed: Come one, come all.

That would be insanity. And that’s why no one is calling for it.

Even the most radical Democrats—and I hear often from many of them—will concede that the United States has the right to preserve its sovereignty and protect its borders. They may have strong ideas about the best way to do that, but no one wants to just fling open the doors and let in the whole world."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-must-destroy-trumps-open-borders-myth
 
I just did, Miss Marple...with citation.

Then there's this:

https://www.democracywithoutborders.org/4421/seven-reasons-why-there-should-be-open-borders/

And this:


DEMOCRATS have written off the accusation of supporting open borders as a Republican talking point.

Now, it’s solidly in their platform and has been given on-the-record support by DEMOCRATS running for president.

“Immigrants seeking refuge in our country aren’t a threat to national security. Migration shouldn’t be a criminal justice issue. It’s time to end this draconian policy and return to treating immigration as a civil — not a criminal — issue,” DEMOCRAT Julián Castro wrote in an April op-ed on Medium.

During the first DEMOCRAT debate in Miami, all the DEMOCRAT candidates who were asked directly if entering the United States without permission should be decriminalized, answered yes.

Since then, they’ve doubled down.


Pavlich: Open border Democrats
© Getty Images

For years Democrats have claimed they are for strong border security and immigration enforcement while also providing empathy for those who come to the United States illegally. After all, Sens. Charles Schumer (N.Y.) and Barack Obama (Ill.) and a number of other Democrats voted for the Secure Fence Act in 2006. In fact, many complained the legislation wasn’t enough to properly secure the border with Mexico.

That empathy has turned into enabling and incentivizing as 2019 Democrats abandon any sense of sovereignty and border control.

Until now, Democrats have written off the accusation of supporting open borders as a Republican talking point. Now, it’s solidly in their platform and has been given on-the-record support by Democrats running for president.
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“Immigrants seeking refuge in our country aren’t a threat to national security. Migration shouldn’t be a criminal justice issue. It’s time to end this draconian policy and return to treating immigration as a civil — not a criminal — issue,” Democratic presidential candidate and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro wrote in an April op-ed on Medium.

During the first Democratic debate in Miami, candidates who were asked directly if entering the United States without permission should be decriminalized, answered yes.

Since then, they’ve doubled down.

“I agree with Castro. We should not be criminalizing mamas and babies trying to flee violence at home or trying to build a better future. We must pass comprehensive immigration reform that is in line with our values, creates a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants including our Dreamers, and protects our borders,” Fauxcahontas Warren (D) told HuffPost.

Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J) has taken things further and vowed to essentially eliminate any kind of border detention through an executive order. His aborted campaign released an 11-page policy document explaining the details.

“Today, Cory Booker is outlining executive actions he will take beginning on day one of his presidency to virtually eliminate immigration detention and put an end to the humanitarian crisis at the border and in detention centers across the country,” Booker’s campaign said. “Without waiting for Congress to act, Cory will stop the treatment of immigrants as criminals, close inhumane DHS facilities, end the use of for-profit detention facilities and end unnecessary barriers for refugees and those seeking asylum to virtually eliminate immigrant detention.”

Considering DEMOCRATS now believe any kind of detention is “inhumane,” under Booker’s plan all detention centers would be closed.

https://tinyurl.com/tn7h3rk
 
Yep they are acting like epidemiologist did not have input into that decision. Liberals are just being a bunch of morons. Trump saved many lives slowing this thing down. Italy's hospitals are so overloaded they are having to decide who get's ICU beds and who dies. Old folks are the losers. Bad flu years push US hospitals to the limit. This easily could be worse. Everybody needs to practice social distancing in an attempt to slow this train down before it picks up speed.
My daughter completed Pre-Med...with a 4.0...awaiting the MCAT. She shadowed my doctor.

Thanks for all you do to relieve pain and suffering, prolong life and save IG lives.
 
I’ve posted two (2) Democrat Congresswoman's advocacy for open borders.

There are more...many more who want that in the Democrat platform.

Neither of those people called for open borders.

Ilhan Omar on immigration.

[FONT=avenir-lt-w01_85-heavy1475544]REFORM OUR INHUMANE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM[/FONT]
[FONT=avenir-lt-w01_85-heavy1475544][/FONT]

  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Abolish ICE, and end all inhumane deportation and detention programs[/FONT]
  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Prosecute federal officials who have been accused of physical and sexual assault of people in their detention[/FONT]
  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Oppose all efforts to further militarize our border and any attempt to expand the border wall along the southern border[/FONT]
  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Protect Sanctuary Cities and Counties by preventing Trump’s administration from withholding federal funding[/FONT]
  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Fight back against the criminalization of immigration and crossing the border[/FONT]

Ayanna Pressley on immigration:

Opposition to, and no funding for border wall; let illegal immigrants apply for citizenship.

https://www.ontheissues.org/MA/Ayanna_Pressley_Immigration.htm
 
Then there's this:

https://www.democracywithoutborders.org/4421/seven-reasons-why-there-should-be-open-borders/

And this:


DEMOCRATS have written off the accusation of supporting open borders as a Republican talking point.

Now, it’s solidly in their platform and has been given on-the-record support by DEMOCRATS running for president.

“Immigrants seeking refuge in our country aren’t a threat to national security. Migration shouldn’t be a criminal justice issue. It’s time to end this draconian policy and return to treating immigration as a civil — not a criminal — issue,” DEMOCRAT Julián Castro wrote in an April op-ed on Medium.

During the first DEMOCRAT debate in Miami, all the DEMOCRAT candidates who were asked directly if entering the United States without permission should be decriminalized, answered yes.

Since then, they’ve doubled down.


Pavlich: Open border Democrats
© Getty Images

For years Democrats have claimed they are for strong border security and immigration enforcement while also providing empathy for those who come to the United States illegally. After all, Sens. Charles Schumer (N.Y.) and Barack Obama (Ill.) and a number of other Democrats voted for the Secure Fence Act in 2006. In fact, many complained the legislation wasn’t enough to properly secure the border with Mexico.

That empathy has turned into enabling and incentivizing as 2019 Democrats abandon any sense of sovereignty and border control.

Until now, Democrats have written off the accusation of supporting open borders as a Republican talking point. Now, it’s solidly in their platform and has been given on-the-record support by Democrats running for president.
ADVERTISEMENT

“Immigrants seeking refuge in our country aren’t a threat to national security. Migration shouldn’t be a criminal justice issue. It’s time to end this draconian policy and return to treating immigration as a civil — not a criminal — issue,” Democratic presidential candidate and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro wrote in an April op-ed on Medium.

During the first Democratic debate in Miami, candidates who were asked directly if entering the United States without permission should be decriminalized, answered yes.

Since then, they’ve doubled down.

“I agree with Castro. We should not be criminalizing mamas and babies trying to flee violence at home or trying to build a better future. We must pass comprehensive immigration reform that is in line with our values, creates a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants including our Dreamers, and protects our borders,” Fauxcahontas Warren (D) told HuffPost.

Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J) has taken things further and vowed to essentially eliminate any kind of border detention through an executive order. His aborted campaign released an 11-page policy document explaining the details.

“Today, Cory Booker is outlining executive actions he will take beginning on day one of his presidency to virtually eliminate immigration detention and put an end to the humanitarian crisis at the border and in detention centers across the country,” Booker’s campaign said. “Without waiting for Congress to act, Cory will stop the treatment of immigrants as criminals, close inhumane DHS facilities, end the use of for-profit detention facilities and end unnecessary barriers for refugees and those seeking asylum to virtually eliminate immigrant detention.”

Considering DEMOCRATS now believe any kind of detention is “inhumane,” under Booker’s plan all detention centers would be closed.

https://tinyurl.com/tn7h3rk

I thought it was in their platform...wasn’t sure.

Thanks, Legion.

Where did Miss Marple go?

Do you think that she will apologize for calling you a liar?

When donkeys fly.
 
Neither of those people called for open borders.

Ilhan Omar on immigration.

[FONT=avenir-lt-w01_85-heavy1475544]REFORM OUR INHUMANE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM[/FONT]
[FONT=avenir-lt-w01_85-heavy1475544][/FONT]

  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Abolish ICE, and end all inhumane deportation and detention programs[/FONT]
  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Prosecute federal officials who have been accused of physical and sexual assault of people in their detention[/FONT]
  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Oppose all efforts to further militarize our border and any attempt to expand the border wall along the southern border[/FONT]
  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Protect Sanctuary Cities and Counties by preventing Trump’s administration from withholding federal funding[/FONT]
  • [FONT=avenir-lt-w01_35-light1475496]Fight back against the criminalization of immigration and crossing the border[/FONT]

Ayanna Pressley on immigration:

Opposition to, and no funding for border wall; let illegal immigrants apply for citizenship.

https://www.ontheissues.org/MA/Ayanna_Pressley_Immigration.htm

I have posted two links...so has Legion.

If you don’t want to accept the fact that open borders is advocated by them (AOC and Omar) and is in the Democrat platform...
 
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