If you're not a health expert

Your essential problem is not your massive deficit of competency and expertise, it is that you seek out and magnify heterodoxy of expert opinion all the time, without exception.
Due to that, nobody trusts you. And they never should.

I don't expect everybody to trust me, just as much as I find your climate extremism to be proposterous and based more on politics than actual science. I mean fuck me rigid even when I post Nature articles and papers you just dismiss them or more likely ignore them.
 
Here is a fun fact. H1N1 was around for 2 months before there was a test. And there were problems with that.


Just sayin

Apparently all of these JPP leftists are experts in viral testing and additionally experts in FDA regulations governing said testing so they know that a test should have been available within weeks of a "novel" bug being found because well, that is just how it works

I guess all of these JPP leftist experts realize that a test has to reach certain specificity/sensitivity thresholds in order to be useful in diagnosing diseases

I guess all of these JPP leftists understand the differences between testing for antigens and antibodies. I am sure that all of these JPP leftists know the differences between antigens and antibodies.
 
But #whataboutism prevents us from comparing Trump’s responses to past presidents and their *outcomes* in handling similar epidemics lol?

He knows that well enough but whataboutism is the classic response these days to awkward questions about precedence and past behaviour by others.
 
Spoken like a true "abolish free speech" member of the Communist Party.

Did you know that a DEMOCRAT has already used politically-motivated pandemic panic to declare her power to infringe upon the constitutional rights of all Americans?

The mayor of Champaign, Illinois has declared a town emergency over the Wuhan coronavirus that includes a potential ban on the sale of firearms and ammunition.

According to a local report from WAND 17, Champaign Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen has issued an executive order that would give her office "extraordinary powers." She has issued the order despite the town and surrounding area not having a single case of the disease.

"The executive order allows the city to be flexible to properly respond to the emergency needs of our community. None of the options will necessarily will be implemented but are available in order to protect the welfare and safety of our community if needed," Jeff Hamilton the City of Champaign's Communications Manger told WAND-TV.


Here is the list of other items from the declaration/executive order, which also includes the ability to ban the sale of "food, water, fuel, clothing, and/or other commodities, materials, goods, services and resources," in addition to alcohol and gasoline. Additionally, government agents or officials have the ability to seize private property and to cut off the city water supply. The mayor justifies everything "in the interest of public safety."

After the declaration of an emergency, the Mayor may in the interest of public safety and welfare make any or all of the following orders and provide the following direction:

(1) Issue such other orders as are imminently necessary for the protection of life and property.

(2) Order a general curfew applicable to such geographical areas of the City or to the City as a whole, as the Mayor deems advisable, and applicable during such hours of the day or night as the Mayor deems necessary in the interest of public safety and welfare.

(3) Order the closing of all retail liquor stores, including taverns and private clubs or portions thereof wherein the consumption of intoxicating liquor and beer is permitted;

(4) Order the discontinuance of the sale of alcoholic liquor by any wholesaler or retailer;

(5) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, or giving away gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products in any container other than a gasoline tank properly affixed to a motor vehicle;

(6) Order the discontinuance of selling, distributing, dispensing or giving away of explosives or explosive agents, firearms or ammunition of any character whatsoever;

(7) Order the control, restriction and regulation within the City by rationing, issuing quotas, fixing or freezing prices, allocating the use, sale or distribution of food, fuel, clothing and other commodities, materials, goods or services or the necessities of life;

(8) (a) Order City employees or agents, on behalf of the City, to take possession of any real or personal property of any person, or to acquire full title or such lesser interest as may be necessary to deal with a disaster or emergency, and to take possession of and for a limited time, occupy and use any real estate to accomplish alleviation of the disaster, or the effects thereof;

(b) In the event any real or personal property is utilized by the City, the City shall be liable to the owner thereof for the reasonable value of the use or for just compensation as the case may be.

(9) Order restrictions on ingress or egress to parts of the City to limit the occupancy of any premises;

(10) To make provision for the availability and use of temporary emergency housing;

(11) Temporarily suspend, limit, cancel, convene, reschedule, postpone, continue, or relocate all meetings of the City Council, and any City committee, commission, board, authority, or other City body as deemed appropriate by the Mayor.

(12) Require closing of business establishments.

(13) Prohibit the sale or distribution within the City of any products which could be employed in a manner which would constitute a danger to public safety.

(14) Temporarily close any and all streets, alleys, sidewalks, bike paths, public parks or public ways.

(15) Temporarily suspend or modify, for not more than sixty (60) days, any regulation or ordinance of the City, including, but not limited to, those regarding health, safety, and zoning. This period may be extended upon approval of the City Council.

(16) Suspend or limit the use of the water resources or other infrastructure.

(17) Control, restrict, allocate, or regulate the use, sale, production, or distribution of food, water, fuel, clothing, and/or other commodities, materials, goods, services and resources.

(18) Suspend or limit burning of any items or property with the City limits and up to two (2) miles outside the corporate limits.

(19) Direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened areas within the City if the mayor deems this action is necessary for the preservation of life, property, or other disaster or emergency mitigation, response or recovery and to prescribe routes, modes of transportation and destination in connection with an evacuation.

(21) Approve application for local, state, or federal assistance.

(22) Establish and control routes of transportation, ingress or egress.

(23) Control ingress and egress from any designated disaster or emergency area or home, building or structures located therein.

(24) Approve the transfer the direction, personnel, or functions of City departments and agencies for the purpose of performing or facilitating emergency or disaster services.

(25) Accept services, gifts, grants, loans, equipment, supplies, and/or materials whether from private, nonprofit, or governmental sources.

(26) Require the continuation, termination, disconnection, or suspension of natural gas, electrical power, water, sewer, communication or other public utilities or infrastructure.

(27) Close or cancel the use of any municipally owned or operated building or other public facility.

(28) Declare, issue, enforce, modify and terminate orders for quarantine and isolation of persons or animals posing a threat to the public, not conflicting with the directions of the Health Officer of the community.

(29) Exercise such powers and functions in light of the exigencies of emergency or disaster including the waiving of compliance with any time consuming procedures and formalities, including notices, as may be prescribed by law.

(30) Issue any and all such other orders or undertake such other functions and activities as the Mayor reasonably believes is required to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons or property within the City or otherwise preserve the public peace or abate, clean up, or mitigate the effects of any emergency or disaster.



https://www.wandtv.com/news/executive-order-in-champaign-could-include-banning-sale-of-firearms/article_a433c8c6-64b1-11ea-8475-2f1a7f3b3aee.html
 
Don is just not living in the real world. Tropical viruses, like yellow fever, ebola, and dengue, do better in the warm. Other viruses, like HIV, do not care about the temperature. The flu does spread in warm countries, though in colder countries it is more likely to spread during the winter.

Tropical viruses originate in the tropics, so yeah, they will ‘like’ warm weather.

COVID-19 is not a tropical virus. The onset of Spring [and it’s early in many parts of the country] will likely slow down the rate of transmission.
 
You do not have to be an expert to see Corona has been badly mishandled. It is PI day and we still do not have testing rolled out. Trump is running around pointing fingers in other directions, but he is responsible. The qualities necessary to be a president are not the same as a businessman who loots customers and cheats contractors. Trump is the wrong man is the wrong place at the wrong time.

Can you please share with us your educational and professional background that makes you qualified to determine how fast an anti viral test should be commercially available?

Also highlight your expertise on mass production of said test.

Lastly please list for us your many years of dealing with FDA regulations governing said testing

Thank you for your cooperation
 
But #whataboutism prevents us from comparing Trump’s responses to past presidents and their *outcomes* in handling similar epidemics lol?

Little Thingy's perception of the viability of comparative arguments seems biased, lol.

Here's a past example.

Oh, now would that be like Trump echoing endlessly "make America great" at one of his gym rallies?"


Little Thingy calls that Whataboutism, doesn't he, anchovies?

You'll note that Little Thingy failed to render a verdict in that affray.
 
Tropical viruses originate in the tropics, so yeah, they will ‘like’ warm weather. COVID-19 is not a tropical virus. The onset of Spring [and it’s early in many parts of the country] will likely slow down the rate of transmission.

Have you told Salty Walty about cell membranes and sunlight?
 
The data thus far by the World Health Organization says 132,000 infected globally with 5,000 deaths. Compared with all flu strains millions infected and 30,000 to 60,000 deaths per year since 2010. That suggest that this virus is not worse than the flu

4% mortality is "not worse than flu"? Are you assuming it will be stopped in its tracks and NOT infect millions?
 
Tropical viruses originate in the tropics, so yeah, they will ‘like’ warm weather.

COVID-19 is not a tropical virus. The onset of Spring [and it’s early in many parts of the country] will likely slow down the rate of transmission.

Yeh I was going to point that out as well but Walt is such an annoying prick I couldn't be bothered. Did you know that in 1918 they discovered that more people recovered from H1N1 if they were outside in the sunshine, imagine that?


https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coron...from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065
 
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4% mortality is "not worse than flu"?

That "4%" figure is an estimate, and it's disputed.

How many have died, and what were their ages? What existing health issues did they have?

I'll understand if you won't answer those questions, of course.

Are you assuming it will be stopped in its tracks and NOT infect millions?

Are you assuming it won't be stopped in its tracks and WILL infect millions?
 
You do not have to be an expert to see Corona has been badly mishandled. It is PI day and we still do not have testing rolled out. Trump is running around pointing fingers in other directions, but he is responsible. The qualities necessary to be a president are not the same as a businessman who loots customers and cheats contractors. Trump is the wrong man is the wrong place at the wrong time.

If you're not an expert, or you haven't studied virology and pandemics thoroughly & extensively: please stop.

You don't know anything. Even people who study this don't know much.

:rofl2:
 
Can you please share with us your educational and professional background that makes you qualified to determine how fast an anti viral test should be commercially available?

Also highlight your expertise on mass production of said test.

Lastly please list for us your many years of dealing with FDA regulations governing said testing

Thank you for your cooperation

sure. look at the other nations who broke out mass testing while we spun our wheels. That does not require some arcane knowledge base. The fact is to solve a problem, the first step is to define it. We do not know how many Americans have it. We have not even tested a strong sample to give us a start,.
i was going to provide all you asked, but first you have to provide me with a demonstration of your background to understand it. It may be beyond you. Without your credentials, I will not waste my time.
 
Hello Thing1,

Or you haven't studied viruses or illness or pandemics thoroughly & extensively: please stop.

You don't know anything. Even people who study this don't know much. It's "novel"...remember?

Stop w/ the "the flu is worse!" and "look at the swine flu!" and "it'll go away when spring comes like everything else!"

Just stop. You don't know anything. I don't either. No one really does.

Thank you. Well said.

If it were so simple it wouldn't be such a big deal.

The Atlantic: You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - Most cases are not life-threatening, which is also what makes the virus a historic challenge to contain.


What we don't want is everybody getting it all at once. Even the president finally said this last night. That overwhelms our medical system capacity to treat people. It's gonna spread. Our goal now is to simply slow it down. Probably 70% of humans will get the virus. People are going to die. We need to avoid denial, face the facts, and do what we can to reduce the damage this is going to cause.
 
Hello Darth,

Well, I’m something of a health expert lol.

I protect myself from transmissible bugs on a daily basis as part of my job. I’m used to being exposed to Hepatitis, HIV, flesh eating bacteria, MERSA and all the other bugs that came down the pike. I’ll probably be exposed to COVID-19 at some point.

And don’t let the ‘novel’ word bother you. Every time a virus mutates it’s ‘novel’ and requires a new vaccine. H1N1 was every bit as ‘novel’ as COVID-19. Swine flu viruses have genetic segments from birds and other critters besides swine. They only have theories about how that happened—and they can’t rule out the possibility it originated in a lab somewhere. Though it’s unlikely. We should all hope so.

No need for panic, whatsoever. The measures being taken are draconian so it will very likely ‘knock the top off’ the Bell Shaped curved that all viral epidemics follow. The daily/weekly increase in mortality is *absolutely pedestrian* with respect to the measures being taken to counter it.

Don’t be surprised if it tops out in the hundreds. Then what?

You still think there is a chance it will top out in the hundreds?

And you said this today?

After a national emergency has been declared?

By somebody who was loathe to do it 6 weeks ago when it would have been prudent? Our president?

And when it would have saved lives already?

If you are a health expert then you should understand that if a disease has a death rate of 60%, and they happen quickly, that automatically limits the spread. This one has a very small death rate, and they don't happen as quickly. That's what allows it to spread so quickly. And it is highly contagious even between individuals who are asymptomatic.

Taking temperatures in doorways does not ensure that infected and contagious individuals will be prevented from entering.

I am curious just what you think is going to stop this disease?
 
the flu is worse! (kills every year in the 10's of thousands just in USA,and viruses fade in warmer weather

Why did Trump designate this a national emergency, and why are institutions, schools, and professional sports leagues shutting down?
 
Or you haven't studied viruses or illness or pandemics thoroughly & extensively: please stop.

You don't know anything. Even people who study this don't know much. It's "novel"...remember?

Stop w/ the "the flu is worse!" and "look at the swine flu!" and "it'll go away when spring comes like everything else!"

Just stop. You don't know anything. I don't either. No one really does.

You mean like this?

This is counter intuitive, but a lower death rate means more will probably die. If the death rate is 5%, the CDC has a very good chance of tracing the spread of the virus. It also means that it is not spreading too fast, and we know about many of the patients. It is something we can win against.

If the death rate is 1%, that means there are over ten thousand patients out there that have few symptoms and are spreading the disease. And it means the disease is spreading much more quickly than we realized. At 1%, there is no chance the CDC will ever get out ahead of this, and it means almost everyone in America will get it.

So 1% of 330 million is 3.3 million. It would basically double the death rate of the year, and be 3 times worse than all the wars the US has fought.

And then there are the mutations. If it has spread that quickly, there will be enough people with the disease for it to evolve quickly. It is very possible that we would have a Coronavirus pandemic every year, just like we do with the flu.

So my question to everyone is does ANYONE think trump is up to this challenge?
 
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