Feminists applaud Trump for support of Iranian dissidents

[christiefan915]

Is that so? I seem to recall criticizing Blowjob Billy.

Maybe you can provide some examples of this alleged impulse I have to "always blame the victim instead."

I'll understand if you can't, of course.

You didn't criticize trump and Moore, for example. Instead you played the "wait and see" card.

 

[christiefan915]

Amusing. You think allying yourself with Desh in sisterly solidarity on a message forum is effective but not doing the same in support of the people of Iraq who are protesting Obama's patriarchal pals?

I don't believe that you think the Vietnam protests were ineffectual. I think you believe they helped end the war. Shall I delve into the archives?

You're not honest enough to admit that Iranian dissidents asked for a meeting with trump over a year ago and he hasn't responded. And tweeting isn't responding.

 

[Русский агент]

You didn't criticize trump and Moore, for example. Instead you played the "wait and see" card.

Was there any credible evidence against either?

 

[dukkha]

Yes I remember very well but the Vietnam war protests most certainly helped to end that war. Well at least for Americans, people in Saigon reaped the whirlwind as my d-i-l's family can give you chapter and verse on the nastiness of the Vietminh.

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no.the war ended with the fall of Saigon.
It was vastly unpopular, and Tricky Dick got pressured,but he hung in the same as LBJ

 

[christiefan915]

I don't recall Dame Hagatha ever criticizing Muslims who abuse women.

Do you?

I imagine this will provoke a lame, insincere response that might include a lukewarm "rebuke" of sorts wrapped in in a condemnation of men generally.

It's more realistic to expect deflection from the doyenne of double standards, though, isn't it?

Hilarious. You're the guy who made fun of Heather Heyer for weeks and now you're pretending to have a conscience. It's so much more convenient to verbally support foreign women long distance than to support American women taking a stand against hate and injustice here.

 

[christiefan915]

Was there any credible evidence against either?

Bingo! The only credible evidence against Bill Clinton was the blue dress yet you keep bringing up all the other women who accused him as if their words were gospel.

 

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no.the war ended with the fall of Saigon.
It was vastly unpopular, and Tricky Dick got pressured,but he hung in the same as LBJ

The war most certainly didn't end, I know far more about that believe me. The Vietminh were incredibly cruel for at least a decade until they changed course when their peculiar brand of socialism failed spectacularly. They realised that they just were not capable of running businesses so they allowed the south to do what they did best.

Prior to that they were doing their best to indoctrinate people in reeducation camps, executing counter-revolutionaries and tracking down deserters. They also terrorised ethnic Chinese as they were considered suspect and not good socialists.

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[Русский агент]

You're not honest enough to admit that Iranian dissidents asked for a meeting with trump over a year ago and he hasn't responded. And tweeting isn't responding.

Tweeting isn't responding? Says who? You?

"Iranian dissidents asked for a meeting with Trump"? Are you sure about that?

Here's the letter that you seem to be referencing:

Dear Mr. President-Elect,

We would like to congratulate you on your victory in the Presidential election of the United States of America.

During the presidential campaign, we and millions of Iranians followed your forthright objection to the nuclear agreement reached between the Obama administration and the Islamic Republic of Iran. We sincerely hope that with your election, the new administration and the United States Congress will have the opportunity for the first time to review the regional and international outcomes of that disastrous agreement without any reservations, as was promised to the voters.

In 2009, millions of pro-democracy Iranians poured into the streets of Tehran and asked President Obama to support them. To their despair, in what can only be described as an unthinkable shift and a hundred and eighty degree turn on all the principal values of the United States, President Obama’s administration was busy conducting secret correspondence with Ayatollah Khamenei, the life-long leader of Iran. At the same time, Ayatollah’s cronies were opening fire on protesters. In October 2011, you wisely said “If Obama would’ve backed the people of Iran two years ago when that county had a big, big problem, we wouldn’t have any problems in Iran. That country would’ve been turned over so fast, instead he abandoned those people.” Today, and as a result of the incorrect policies of the past eight years, many pro-democracy Iranians view the United States on the side of their unelected oppressive leader. The hope and trust they once placed in the United States to support freedom and democracy is undermined and can now be amended only through fundamental changes in the U.S. policy which only you can bring forth.

The Free World has been turning a blind eye to the armed and suicidal Islamic fundamentalism for the last thirty-seven years. This nearsighted neglect has led today to an immense gathering storm, and has brought upon the world woeful tragedies like the “Charlie Hebdo” and “Bataclan” massacres and other similar massacres in Paris, Brussels, Orlando and San Bernardino in the past two years alone. When “Ahmad Qasir”, an 18-year-old Lebanese young man, carried out the first suicide bombing of the 20th century, ordered by the leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Hezbollah, leading to his death and murder of tens of other souls, there was yet no talk of Al-Qaeda and ISIS. In the same vein, the mass murder of the “Charlie Hebdo” writers must be considered as simply another link in a chain that began with the fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini to murder Salman Rushdie, the prize for which offered by the government of Iran currently stands at millions of dollars. Dividing terrorists into good and bad is a mistake. Holding conferences and signing contracts with a regime that offers absolute support for terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah, has murdered thousands of brave American soldiers in Iraq and Lebanon, and still insists upon rewarding the murderers of authors and journalists in other countries, will only embolden the Islamic regime of Tehran and lay the groundwork for further horror and pain.

The ISIS and the Islamic Republic of Iran are two sides of the coin that is Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. To end this reign of terror, the Islamic caliphate (ISIS) and the Islamic regime in Iran must be replaced with elected pro-peace and prosperity governments.

Unfortunately, Iranians have been among the main victims of the detrimental policies adopted by President Obama in the Middle East. A prime example of these detrimental policies was the secret delivery of hundreds of millions of dollars in cash to the Revolutionary Guards in exchange for the release of the hostages. The exchange encouraged the Islamic Republic not only to expand its hostage for cash program, but to double down on its domestic suppression and interference in the region, to the point that our country is now on the brink of an all-out war with its Arab neighbors and other American allies in the region.

We ask the President-Elect to send the clear message that the United States will not tolerate the increasing threats of the Islamic Republic of Iran against its citizens and neighbors. The new administration, in collaboration with the Congress, should expand the existing sanctions and impose new ones on the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Supreme Leader’s financial empire and direct the U.S. Treasury to strongly enforce them. We ask the incoming administration to develop a comprehensive regime of sanctions against those Iranian officials who have violated the human rights of the Iranian people over the last 4 decades. Iran’s ballistic missile program is a threat not only to the region but to the world; we hope the President-elect will form an international coalition to pressure the Islamic Republic of Iran and force the regime to cease its pursuit of long-range ballistic missile. We believe the United States should confront the Revolutionary Guards’ malicious behavior in the region, in all fronts, and by all available means. The Islamic regime’s Achilles’ heel is that the Iranian people do no longer support it. We ask the new administration to support the pro-democracy Iranians whose goal is to replace the Khomeinist regime of Tehran with a liberal-democratic government.

The time has come for the United States to stand by the Iranian people instead of holding secret discussions with corrupt Islamic fundamentalists. Iran has the capacity to be one of the most steadfast allies of the United States in the world once the Islamic regime is gone. We hope under your leadership the United States helps the Iranian people to take back their country from the Islamist gang which has been in charge for the last four decades, as the world without the Islamic Republic and the Islamic State is a better place.

http://taghato.net/article/30837



I'm confident that if Trump had publicly met with Iranian dissidents, you would have decried the meeting.

 

[Русский агент]

Bingo! The only credible evidence against Bill Clinton was the blue dress yet you keep bringing up all the other women who accused him as if their words were gospel.

Is that so? I seem to recall a deposition, and the payment of a settlement as a result of a suit. Are depositions evidence?

 

[Русский агент]

Hilarious. You're the guy who made fun of Heather Heyer for weeks and now you're pretending to have a conscience. It's so much more convenient to verbally support foreign women long distance than to support American women taking a stand against hate and injustice here.

Hefty Heather should have taken a stand against cholesterol. She died of a heart attack. Do you want me to tell women to stop eating too much?

Verbally supporting foreign women long distance doesn't seem inconvenient to you when women march against Trump on foreign soil, I've noticed.

Have you posted a single message supportive of the women protesting Obama's patriarchal pals?

 

[christiefan915]

Hefty Heather should have taken a stand against cholesterol. She died of a heart attack. Do you want me to tell women to stop eating too much?

Verbally supporting foreign women long distance doesn't seem inconvenient to you when women march against Trump on foreign soil, I've noticed.

Have you posted a single message supportive of the women protesting Obama's patriarchal pals?

Heather died for her beliefs and you're fat-shaming her, charming. You pretend to stand up for all the Iranian women dissidents but I call bullshit. You are trump v 2.0 and using their tragedy to take a swipe at American women, period.

 

[Русский агент]

Heather died for her beliefs and you're fat-shaming her, charming. You pretend to stand up for all the Iranian women dissidents but I call bullshit. You are trump v 2.0 and using their tragedy to take a swipe at American women, period.

Hefty Heather died of a heart attack. That's a fact. If it shamed her to be morbidly obese, she wouldn't have eaten so much, would she? It's hilarious that you are so desperate for heroines for "the cause" that you'll try to pretend that cardiac arrest = martyrdom.

Maybe Hefty Heather was looking for a cheeseburger that day in Charlottesville.

Taking swipes at faux feminists like you is made infinitely easier by your selective outrage.

You still won't criticize Obama's patriarchal pals in Tehran, will you?

 

[christiefan915]

Hefty Heather died of a heart attack. That's a fact. If it shamed her to be morbidly obese, she wouldn't have eaten so much, would she? It's hilarious that you are so desperate for heroines for "the cause" that you'll try to pretend that cardiac arrest = martyrdom.

Maybe Hefty Heather was looking for a cheeseburger that day in Charlottesville.

Taking swipes at faux feminists like you is made infinitely easier by your selective outrage.

You still won't criticize Obama's patriarchal pals in Tehran, will you?

Heather didn't drop dead of a heart attack while standing in McDonald's eating a burger. She was in the path of a speeding vehicle. Where is your condemnation of that driver? And it's hilarious that you can make fun of the dead woman's weight while fast-food junkie trump is digging his grave with his teeth. Apparently neither you nor he are worried about his morbid obesity, huh.

I'll discuss Obama's pals in Tehran right after you discuss trump's patriarchal pals in Riyadh.

 

[Русский агент]

Heather didn't drop dead of a heart attack while standing in McDonald's eating a burger. She was in the path of a speeding vehicle. Where is your condemnation of that driver? And it's hilarious that you can make fun of the dead woman's weight while fast-food junkie trump is digging his grave with his teeth. Apparently neither you nor he are worried about his morbid obesity, huh. I'll discuss Obama's pals in Tehran right after you discuss trump's patriarchal pals in Riyadh.

Hilarious. The old "I'll do what right if you do something first" shtick.

You won't condemn any Muslim, ever, will you?

Hefty Heather was a heart attack waiting to happen. Her cardiac arrest could have been triggered at any time by a loud noise or a Trump tweet.

The driver suffers from mental illness according to reports I've seen. I'm sure his affliction (that he couldn't avoid by eating less) fills your liberal heart with compassion, doesn't it?

 

[christiefan915]

Hilarious. The old "I'll do what right if you do something first" shtick.

You won't condemn any Muslim, ever, will you?

Hefty Heather was a heart attack waiting to happen. Her cardiac arrest could have been triggered at any time by a loud noise or a Trump tweet.

The driver suffers from mental illness according to reports I've seen. I'm sure his affliction (that he couldn't avoid by eating less) fills your liberal heart with compassion, doesn't it?

I've condemned the entire government of Saudi Arabia for one example, liar. Have you? I've condemned the Iranian ayatollahs, have you? What I don't do is make a sweeping condemnation of every Muslim on earth because of what the bad ones do. That's left to the conservatives here who talk about nuking Muslims off the face of the earth. Talk that probably makes your shriveled little heart beat faster.

Still making fun of Heather. Sad! Your double standard is alive and well.

 

[Русский агент]

I've condemned the entire government of Saudi Arabia for one example, liar. Have you? I've condemned the Iranian ayatollahs, have you? What I don't do is make a sweeping condemnation of every Muslim on earth because of what the bad ones do. That's left to the conservatives here who talk about nuking Muslims off the face of the earth. Talk that probably makes your shriveled little heart beat faster. Still making fun of Heather. Sad! Your double standard is alive and well.

As expected, you dodge and deflect. Hefty Heather was a fat pig who died of a heart attack. If she'd been a conservative woman I suspect you'd have poured scorn on her. I bet you make snarky comments about Sarah Huckabee-Sanders all the time.

Condemn the Iranian government for oppressing women?

Condemn the Iranian government for jailing women?

Condemn the Iranian government for killing women?

When have you done that, dodger?

This is how I picture American faux feminists with their smug self-appointed (and largely self-centered) crusades against M E N (but not Muslim ME N or liberal M E N):

* Note: image of faux feminist does not physically resemble Dame Hagatha in the slightest.

 

[christiefan915]

As expected, you dodge and deflect. Hefty Heather was a fat pig who died of a heart attack. If she'd been a conservative woman I suspect you'd have poured scorn on her. I bet you make snarky comments about Sarah Huckabee-Sanders all the time.

Condemn the Iranian government for oppressing women?

Condemn the Iranian government for jailing women?

Condemn the Iranian government for killing women?

When have you done that, dodger?

This is how I picture American faux feminists with their smug self-appointed (and largely self-centered) crusades against M E N (but not Muslim ME N or liberal M E N):

You're truly disgusting. Have you called Harah Suckabee a fat pig or does your nastiness just extend to liberals? I stated correctly that she was fat but I never called her a pig. That kind of insult comes from you, trump and other cons.

Re: the Iranian comments, you claim you have a file on me so search it.

 

[Русский агент]

You're truly disgusting. Have you called Harah Suckabee a fat pig or does your nastiness just extend to liberals? I stated correctly that she was fat but I never called her a pig. That kind of insult comes from you, trump and other cons. Re: the Iranian comments, you claim you have a file on me so search it.

Your double standards are definitively displayed, dishonest diva of deflection.

 

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Pretty good article about the lack of interest by feminists in the treatment of women in the Muslim world. Linda Sarsour, the organiser of the Women's March, supports Sharia law and is a defender of the Saudi treatment of women. The fact that such a march would be banned, the protestors locked up and probably tortured seems to have escaped this truly hypocritical woman.

The politics of the hijab

Ms Sarsour co-led the Women's March on Washington after Donald Trump's election, a march that expressly portrayed the veil as a symbol of feminist struggle, despite millions of women around the world being forced or pressured to wear it.

Just as she and her identity politics fans have never joined Iranian dissident Masih Alinejadin her campaigns against compulsory hijab in the Islamic Republic, or backed exiled Saudi women's activist Moudhi Aljohani in her push to stop Riyadh's enslavement of women, they are not standing against the deadly Islamic ideology of purity and honour that provides context and clues to the motives of the suicide bomb attack in Manchester.

They brandish their veils as a standard-bearer of liberation and speak out when veiled women are harassed or attacked, however there is little or no solidarity when victims are not hijabis.

This week, for example, when two brothers were acquitted in Turkey of helping the "honour killing" of their sister in Berlin because she refused to wear a hijab and dated a German boy, the homegirls were nowhere to be seen.

Under fire for her virulent anti-Israel stance, claims "Zionists can't be feminists", and support for convicted terrorists, Ms Sarsour has instead presented herself as a victim of a far-right campaign of vilification after her opponents protested against her speaking at a graduation ceremony at a New York university this week.

The ignoring of Islamic purity culture is not a coincidence

Across the Atlantic in the United Kingdom, outspoken hijabi Remona Aly wrote an op-ed in The Guardian in which she praised Muslim outreach to saddened Mancunians, but failed to mention the radical Islamist worldview that says young girls attending a pop concert with a singer dressed in seductive clothes are prostitutes and deserve to die.

Waleed Aly, whose veiled wife Susan Carland downplays liberal Muslim women's critiques of religious fundamentalism as unfair and not "faith positive", wondered in the Sydney Morning Herald if the attacker Salman Abedi "specifically understood he was striking this demographic of mostly adolescent girls".

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-03/linda-sarsour-hijabi-feminism/8583482

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[Darth Omar]

You're not honest enough to admit that Iranian dissidents asked for a meeting with trump over a year ago and he hasn't responded. And tweeting isn't responding.

Obama kept them at arm’s length but I can’t imagine Trump turning down a meeting with the Iranian dissidents.

Link?