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Read this week's New Scientist on this concept - makes it look pretty footling.
Corona Virus Peak Watch Thread
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Read this week's New Scientist on this concept - makes it look pretty footling.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello moon,
Deaths in Sweden have dropped off dramatically but that came at a tragic cost.
The deaths per million in Sweden is even greater than the deaths per million in America. 575 vs 541.
Both figures are high compared to the world figure of 103 deaths per million.
Deaths in Sweden have dropped off dramatically but that came at a tragic cost.
The deaths per million in Sweden is even greater than the deaths per million in America. 575 vs 541.
Both figures are high compared to the world figure of 103 deaths per million.
We will know soon, we already have a few places above 50% with anti-bodies, we will be able to dispense with these often wrong alleged experts arguing about it.
https://fortune.com/2020/08/21/covid-antibodies-india-pune-survey-herd-immunity/
moon
Satire for Sanity
Where's your evidence that there's any lasting immunity to Covid 19 at all ? Science doesn't seem to have any- so where does yours come from ? Pentecostal tongues ? Not from your ' Fortune ' link .
Yet here you are, trumpeting that it exists . Muppet.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
There seems to only be anecdotal evidence of "reinfection". There appears to be no evidence that a person who had mild or no symptoms the first time would be needing a ventilator the second time.
COVID-19, after it kills off all of those susceptible, may end up being no worse than a bad cold.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html
Having antibodies to the virus that causes COVID-19 may provide protection from getting infected with the virus again. If it does, we do not know how much protection the antibodies may provide or how long this protection may last.
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/07/24/covid-reinfection
Research suggests coronavirus reinfection is unlikely
But despite the anecdotal reports from doctors about patients becoming reinfected with the coronavirus, researchers say there's no evidence supporting the notion that people can become reinfected with the virus within a short time period.
"I haven't heard of a case where it's been truly unambiguously demonstrated," said Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
For instance, South Korea's Center for Disease Control and Prevention in one study confirmed that, among 285 cases of people who again tested positive for the coronavirus two months after receiving their initial positive test results (including some who were experiencing Covid-19 symptoms two months after their initial diagnoses), none of the patients' new samples contained enough virus particles to allow researchers to grow the virus from the samples in a lab. Researchers said those results indicated that the patients weren't actively infected with the virus, and the diagnostic tests likely had detected dead virus particles that remained in their bodies or generated false-positive positive results.
Further, the researchers noted that none of the patients who re-tested positive for the coronavirus transmitted the pathogen to others.
"It was pretty solid epidemiological and virological evidence that reinfection was not happening, at least in those people," Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University, said.
As for studies showing that antibodies for the novel coronavirus decline over time, researchers say that's how antibodies work for a host of viruses.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
moon
Satire for Sanity
' Seems to be ' and ' maybe ' are not data- although you're welcome to share somebody else's wishful thinking, of course.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
I'm following the science. You are free to follow your Socialist anti-American politics. Have a really nice fucking day!
moon
Satire for Sanity
I'm following the science. You are free to follow your Socialist anti-American politics. Have a really nice fucking day!
You're just so easily embarrassed. Have you considered keeping your mouth shut ?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Incorrect, but I'm curious why you think so. No. Have you?
Now make fun of memes since you lack anything intelligent to add.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello moon,
I vetted the link Dutch Uncle posted. It's legit.
I know it may sound too good to be true, but it is on the level. And in these tumultuous times we could sure use some encouraging news. The thought that one could get this disease twice was quite terrifying. I am so glad to see some solid science behind believing that is not possible.
Now, if you would like to post something to support the idea that what Dutch has posted is 'phony' have at it.
I'll give your link just as much scrutiny as I did his.
The people quoted in his link are well renowned scientists who have been very professional and have not taken political sides.
I hope you don't view science as political.
Science is science.
It doesn't always tell us what we may wish to hear, but if it does then it supports believing in good things. This crisis is bad enough without making it worse by considering political points.
Science, like the virus, doesn't care about politics.
Science is science. Seeking the truth.
We ignore it at our own disadvantage.
If something is good news for humanity, that has to override what may or may not be considered politically beneficial for one side or the other.
Good news for humanity is a good thing!
It has to be.
I vetted the link Dutch Uncle posted. It's legit.
I know it may sound too good to be true, but it is on the level. And in these tumultuous times we could sure use some encouraging news. The thought that one could get this disease twice was quite terrifying. I am so glad to see some solid science behind believing that is not possible.
Now, if you would like to post something to support the idea that what Dutch has posted is 'phony' have at it.
I'll give your link just as much scrutiny as I did his.
The people quoted in his link are well renowned scientists who have been very professional and have not taken political sides.
I hope you don't view science as political.
Science is science.
It doesn't always tell us what we may wish to hear, but if it does then it supports believing in good things. This crisis is bad enough without making it worse by considering political points.
Science, like the virus, doesn't care about politics.
Science is science. Seeking the truth.
We ignore it at our own disadvantage.
If something is good news for humanity, that has to override what may or may not be considered politically beneficial for one side or the other.
Good news for humanity is a good thing!
It has to be.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Active Cases have jumped beyond the slight 'peak' seen on August 16th.
We are still on the way up.
We continue to fail to get control of the virus in the USA.
We are still on the way up.
We continue to fail to get control of the virus in the USA.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Saturday
8-22
USA
Total Cases 5,841,428
New Cases +43,829
Total Deaths 180,174
New Deaths +974
Total Recovered 3,148,080
Active Cases 2,513,174
Serious, Critical 16,739
Tot Cases/1M pop 17,633
Deaths/1M pop 544
Total Tests 75,475,175
Tests/1M pop 227,827
8-22
USA
Total Cases 5,841,428
New Cases +43,829
Total Deaths 180,174
New Deaths +974
Total Recovered 3,148,080
Active Cases 2,513,174
Serious, Critical 16,739
Tot Cases/1M pop 17,633
Deaths/1M pop 544
Total Tests 75,475,175
Tests/1M pop 227,827
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Does your source track the death and/or sick rate? Sick is in bed for more than 3 days, not just the sniffles.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Dutch Uncle,
Yes, it tracks the death rate for individual nations and for the world overall.
It also tracks everyone who is confirmed sick with COVID-19, meaning there was a positive virus test.
It also tracks those who are in serious or critical condition.
It does no track whether they are walking around with no symptoms, self-isolating, at home in bed, or in the hospital with a strong case that is not considered 'serious' by hospital definition.
Worldometer
There is quite a bit of information there if you're curious enough to poke around the site. Lots of graphs.
The world death rate is 5%.
The USA death rate is also 5%.
The Swedish death rate is 5.75% (This figure was not given. It was arrived at by dividing the given total deaths in Sweden by the given population of Sweden and multiplying by 100%)
Yes, it tracks the death rate for individual nations and for the world overall.
It also tracks everyone who is confirmed sick with COVID-19, meaning there was a positive virus test.
It also tracks those who are in serious or critical condition.
It does no track whether they are walking around with no symptoms, self-isolating, at home in bed, or in the hospital with a strong case that is not considered 'serious' by hospital definition.
Worldometer
There is quite a bit of information there if you're curious enough to poke around the site. Lots of graphs.
The world death rate is 5%.
The USA death rate is also 5%.
The Swedish death rate is 5.75% (This figure was not given. It was arrived at by dividing the given total deaths in Sweden by the given population of Sweden and multiplying by 100%)
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Still on the rise:
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Nobody in South Korea admires the Swedish death rate.
Nobody.
Not in Taiwan or New Zealand either.
Or Japan.
Nobody.
Not in Taiwan or New Zealand either.
Or Japan.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
We could use math to estimate how many MORE Americans would be dead if the USA had the same death rate as Sweden.
It would be in the thousands.
It would be in the thousands.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Sunday
8-23
USA
Total Cases 5,874,146
New Cases +32,718
Total Deaths 180,604
New Deaths +430
Total Recovered 3,167,063
Active Cases 2,526,479
Serious, Critical 16,717
Tot Cases/1M pop 17,731
Deaths/1M pop 545
Total Tests 76,159,378
Tests/1M pop 229,889
8-23
USA
Total Cases 5,874,146
New Cases +32,718
Total Deaths 180,604
New Deaths +430
Total Recovered 3,167,063
Active Cases 2,526,479
Serious, Critical 16,717
Tot Cases/1M pop 17,731
Deaths/1M pop 545
Total Tests 76,159,378
Tests/1M pop 229,889