Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?
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Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Purest delusion. Get help while you're still able to ask for it.
So where are these "hundreds of thousands" of maufacturing jobs? He's had well over a year and hasn't hit the first hundred thousand yet. He certainly had no basis for saying that almost a year ago. As for your graphic, the Trump admonistration is the chief source of fake news in this country, along with Fox news and similar right-wing propaganda conduits.As usual, Rat’s Gish Gallop pointed us to a second Gish Gallop, where Fake News USA Today compiled a list of alleged Trump lies by FactCheck.org, another Fake News site. Remember folks, you need to avoid reading Fake News sites.
I'll only do the first point of any Gish Gallop, so we go to the top of the page to see this alleged lie:
At a rally in West Virginia, President Trump falsely claimed that his administration is “bringing back to America” manufacturing jobs “by the hundreds of thousands.” In fact, about 70,000 manufacturing jobs have been added since he took office, federal labor statistics show
The rally was in Huntington, West Virginia, August 3, 2017. You can see the YouTube here. I’ll place script from the 24:30 mark below, with the relevant part in red.
The reason why Democrats only talk about at the totally made up Russia story is because they have no message, no agenda, and no vision. They don't talk about the all time high stock market. They don't talk about reforms to the V.A. Or about manufacturing jobs we're bringing back to America by the hundreds of thousands. They don't talk about the Keystone pipeline that I immediately approved or the Dakota Access Pipeline. Russia story is a total fabrication. It is just an excuse for the greatest loss in the history of American politics. That's all it is. It is just makes them feel better what they have nothing else to talk about.
Once again the Fake News dimwits don’t understand basic English nuances and subtleties. “...manufacturing jobs we're bringing back to America…” doesn’t mean they brought them already. “We’re” means “We are” and “We are” can mean the present or the future. For example, “We are in the bath,” is the present, while, “We are going to Japan next year,” means in the future. In this case he obviously meant as an ongoing process, and it’s clear that is exactly what they were doing. Bringing manufacturing jobs back to America by the hundreds of thousands.
Once again, no lie. Just a bunch of confused, semi-literate snowflakes.
All you have is desperate diversions and coverups, much like Trump himself.
You quoted one right there: "the greatest loss in the history of American politics." Trump lost the popular vote. And his Electoral College win was largely due to GOP voter suppresion in a few key states. I'm not unhappy that Hillary lost. But it's becoming more and more obvious that Trump is no better than she would have been, though for entirely different reasons. You need to come out of your little bubble, where Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus, and try living in the real world. Yes, it's scary, especially with Trump in the White House, but you're just rotting away in there.As usual, Rat’s Gish Gallop pointed us to a second Gish Gallop, where Fake News USA Today compiled a list of alleged Trump lies by FactCheck.org, another Fake News site. Remember folks, you need to avoid reading Fake News sites.
I'll only do the first point of any Gish Gallop, so we go to the top of the page to see this alleged lie:
At a rally in West Virginia, President Trump falsely claimed that his administration is “bringing back to America” manufacturing jobs “by the hundreds of thousands.” In fact, about 70,000 manufacturing jobs have been added since he took office, federal labor statistics show
The rally was in Huntington, West Virginia, August 3, 2017. You can see the YouTube here. I’ll place script from the 24:30 mark below, with the relevant part in red.
The reason why Democrats only talk about at the totally made up Russia story is because they have no message, no agenda, and no vision. They don't talk about the all time high stock market. They don't talk about reforms to the V.A. Or about manufacturing jobs we're bringing back to America by the hundreds of thousands. They don't talk about the Keystone pipeline that I immediately approved or the Dakota Access Pipeline. Russia story is a total fabrication. It is just an excuse for the greatest loss in the history of American politics. That's all it is. It is just makes them feel better what they have nothing else to talk about.
Once again the Fake News dimwits don’t understand basic English nuances and subtleties. “...manufacturing jobs we're bringing back to America…” doesn’t mean they brought them already. “We’re” means “We are” and “We are” can mean the present or the future. For example, “We are in the bath,” is the present, while, “We are going to Japan next year,” means in the future. In this case he obviously meant as an ongoing process, and it’s clear that is exactly what they were doing. Bringing manufacturing jobs back to America by the hundreds of thousands.
Once again, no lie. Just a bunch of confused, semi-literate snowflakes.
I have to hand it to you. This link goes to another Gish Gallop at the New York Times. The page is filled with reported “lies” of Trump’s. the NATO one is the third one down. When you hand me a Gish Gallop I will do the first on the list. So let’s look at number one. The headline at the top of the page screams:
“Trump Says He Didn’t Know Bannon Until Campaign, but They Met in 2011”
The article is by Linda Qiu. She obviously doesn’t understand the way Anglo Saxons use the word “know”. English may not be her first language. She thinks “know” means meeting someone and knowing “of” them. That’s not what Trump means in this case. When he said, “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve,” he means he didn’t “know” know him. As in know him well.
So, no lie.
Now, who is this ding-a-ling Linda Qiu?
She’s a “fact checker” with the New York Times, and before that, a “fact checker” with Politifake.
Here’s a video of a guy fact checking the fact checker, Linda Qiu. The guy shows what a shitty fact checker Ms Qiu is.
As for Politifact.com (or politifake as I call them), they are mostly funded by “Democracy Fund” created by eBay founder Pierre Morad Omidyar in 2011. Pierre Omidyar is a 51 year old French-American billionaire of Iranian parentage.
He owns a site called omidyar.com which, as you can see from their ‘who we are’ page, is involved in helping 3rd world people. To find an example of their left winged lean go to Google and type this in the search:
environmentalism site:omidyar.com
Or click here.
That will search their whole site for the word environmentalism and voila, you get this revealing pdf file.
Here are some excerpts (emphasis mine):
What is a movement?
A range of landmark social movements took place in the twentieth century, including the women’s suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, and the environmental movement, among others.
Of the most influential 21st-century social movements active today, some have been sparked by technological influence (e.g. Occupy, the Arab Spring, #BlackLivesMatter), while others represent an evolution of existing social movements (e.g. the expansion of the movement for climate action to include substantial online activity).
WHY SOCIAL MOVEMENTS MATTER
Social movements have tremendous potential to make impact by galvanizing and channeling collective power. For issues that affect many people, where many people might benefit from societal shifts, or where many people are showing signs of motivation and activity, movements can be powerful vehicles for changing concrete policies (e.g. raising the minimum wage), for changing cultural attitudes and perceptions (e.g. embracing same sex marriage), and also for changing individuals’ behavior at mass scale (e.g. adopting energy-saving practices).
Politifake is devoted to making Trump look like a liar, and surprise surprise, it’s mostly funded by an Iranian/American lefty who supports all the Left winged extreme groups and ideologies. My – how unexpected! Sum Ting Wong, Ms Qiu?
You apear to be just another right-wing propagandist, or perhaps a Russian bot. Who's paying you to do this?
Trump's whole history was plenty of reason to be against him. But he's certainly got you, and the rest of his dumbed-down followers thoroughly brainwashed.
Anyone can check that and see that it's not just false, it's an egregious lie. Trump is one of only two presidents in well over a century who was elected without winning the popular vote (the other one was George W. Bush in 2000).
Now Quibbling Larrikin will say: You should learn basic English. Greatest doesn't necessarily mean biggest, it can also mean most impressive, as in Alexander the Great who wasn't particularly big. So Trump (swoon!) wasn't lying, blah blah blah.
Rat Robbersson
Oracle Of Omega (24)
If trump said that slavery was freedom then you would believe him.
http://time.com/5347737/trump-quote...irculation&utm_term=68746&utm_content=2269883
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
In your rush to bray about imaginary lies, you forget to read replies.
Rat Robbersson
Oracle Of Omega (24)
That's what the idiot, RL, intended.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
You’re gazing at the data, and gobbling down the Fake News, but the big picture is hanging on the wall behind you and you haven’t seen it yet. Talk about missing the point. Trump doesn’t mean greatest loss ever purely in terms of stats and numbers of votes. He means in the context of the size of the war waged against him. He had the Democrats, 90% of the media (Fake News), RINOs and his own Party the GOP against him. He also had the Dept. of Justice and the FBI against him along with a large number of White House staff, and many other people. Between the lot of them they tried every dirty trick in the book to destroy Trump, bugging his phones and his campaign staff members. They tried to frame him by paying off hookers, produced mountains of lies and promoted that propaganda 24/7/365. They sabotaged him with tapes kept for 11 years, and created giant nothingburgers to derail him. Meanwhile Hillary had all those same people doing their best to help her win. It was a huge operation, and it was practically a miracle that Trump won under such circumstances. So yes, you bet it was the greatest loss in the history of American politics. More importantly it was by far the greatest win in the history of American politics. You missed all that because you were too busy gazing at idiotic CNN, which is about as realistic as fake wrestling.
There was no popular vote. He won 306 to 232 in an Electoral College system election.
Fake News. Trump won because people needed the reforms he promised, and were sick of seeing their country being taken over by illegal immigrants.
You need to come up from your basement and see all the changes Trump has already brought about. I’m not going to list them for you because you have the internet. You can easily figure it out. You probably already have, in which case, stop living in denial.
I have delivered many, but you come up with some excuse why they are not lies. So, I go with false statements which even you admit he has made. But even if we change "lies" to "false statements" that means we cannot believe what he says much of the time.
You have conceded he made false statements but said he was "coerced" into making them, "somebody told him" it was true, he changed his mind, etc.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
There is no popular vote in an Electoral College Vote election. There is a myth that a “popular vote” can be counted, which many people on both sides enjoy believing, but it is just that; a myth. You cannot know who would have won a popular vote election unless you tell both sides that is what they are having, and let them both campaign accordingly, and then see who wins and by how much. Until then, counting a fictitious “popular vote” on the back of an Electoral College election is unfair since Trump didn’t have the chance to campaign for a popular vote election. It is a myth created by sore losers, and both sides do it.
Regarding your other point, it wasn’t about numbers of electoral votes (306 to 232), it was about the overwhelming one-sidedness of the war waged against Trump, and the fact that, with all her help, Hillary still lost. Trump won an unwinnable election – not because of imaginary Russians or fairies, but because he is a great man; something you still have yet to consider.
You were almost right. Greatest doesn’t mean 306 to 232, it means winning against huge odds. Why the hell do you think all of the world was so sure Trump would lose?
As I said to rjhenn:
You’re gazing at the data, and gobbling down the Fake News, but the big picture is hanging on the wall behind you and you haven’t seen it yet. Talk about missing the point. Trump doesn’t mean greatest loss ever purely in terms of stats and numbers of votes. He means in the context of the size of the war waged against him. He had the Democrats, 90% of the media (Fake News), RINOs and his own Party the GOP against him. He also had the Dept. of Justice and the FBI against him along with a large number of White House staff, and many other people. Between the lot of them they tried every dirty trick in the book to destroy Trump, bugging his phones and his campaign staff members. They tried to frame him by paying off hookers, produced mountains of lies and promoted that propaganda 24/7/365. They sabotaged him with tapes kept for 11 years, and created giant nothingburgers to derail him. Meanwhile Hillary had all those same people doing their best to help her win. It was a huge operation, and it was practically a miracle that Trump won under such circumstances. So yes, you bet it was the greatest loss in the history of American politics. More importantly it was by far the greatest win in the history of American politics. You missed all that because you were too busy gazing at idiotic CNN, which is about as realistic as fake wrestling.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Here’s what Time said [emphasis mine]
In his address to the convention in Kansas City, Trump defended his decision to slap tariffs on the U.S.’s trading partners. As Trump told the crowd that “it’s all working out,” he warned those in the audience against believing what they see in the news.
“What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening,” Trump said.
For some, the quote immediately recalled a line from Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984: “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
“What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening,” Trump said.
For some, the quote immediately recalled a line from Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984: “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Trump didn’t refer to ‘evidence’, and evidence is not what Fake Media provide. I undid all their lies in this thread by showing they had no evidence to back up their claims. No, Trump isn’t saying, “Reject the evidence,” he’s saying, “Don’t believe Fake News.
The book is called “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, and there was a time when Time would have got that right. No longer though, since it is filled with Trump hating millennial twerps.
The characters in the story knew they were being fed misinformation. The government would reverse everything. Today’s Fake News is similar to that dystopian world, because they twist the truth around to support their socialist agenda. If a person in that world stood up and tried to tell a crowd that they were all slaves, he would be arrested, tortured and made to say on television that HE was actually the one who wanted to enslave people, and so on. In this case Trump is telling people not to believe what Fake News say about him, and he is quite right to do so. Fake News lie about him every day many times, and twist everything he says around. Naturally, they even tried to twist his words around in this instance, trying to make it sound as though he was like the dystopian government in Nineteen Eighty-Four, telling people to “reject the evidence.”
How pathetic.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Many Democrats whine about how Clinton won the popular vote, and many conservatives agree with them, but this is a simple fallacy.
The Founders set up the ‘The Electoral College’ system to make elections fairer to states that might otherwise be ignored by candidates, and for other reasons, and that was the system used in the Trump-Clinton election. Trump knew it was the system to be used, and planned his campaign around this. Clinton knew it was the system to be used, and planned her campaign around this.
At this point let’s use the analogy of a car race. Say you could either have a horse race (popular vote) or a car race (Electoral College). If it was a car race then both candidates would plan their race around car racing. It would be stupid to practice on horseback if you were going to race cars, so they would both practice in cars.
The race day arrives and both candidates get in their cars. The flag is dropped and they rocket down the track. The race will go all day long. When they reach the mid-day mark, Clinton decides to have a pit stop to top up her radiator with water, though it didn’t really need any. The pit crew reluctantly top it up but this costs valuable time. Trump is in the lead. He never pulls over for water. Clinton loses the race by a minute, and Fake News is outraged.
Journalists ask Clinton, “Why did you stop for water when you didn’t need water?”
She replies, “Well, um, when you race horses for so long, they need to be hydrated. Had it been a horse race I would have won, because the orange rapist misogynist didn’t stop to hydrate.”
Fake News put up the headlines accordingly: “Misogynist Trump would have lost had horses been used!”
Trump is incensed. He says, “Fake News and Crooked Hillary are just making excuses.”
A journalist asks, “But if you DID race horses, and she gave the horse water, and you didn’t, you WOULD have lost, isn’t that true?”
“Baloney,” Trump says. “If we had a horse race I would have also watered my horse at midday. But it wasn’t a horse race. It was a car race.”
Today Clinton brags that she WOULD have won if it had been a popular vote, but had the election been a popular vote election, Trump would have campaigned differently, to win the popular vote election.
So just as Clinton could not say she would have won the race had it been a horse race, she cannot say she would have won the election had it been a popular election. Equally, she cannot say she won the popular vote in this last election, because there was no popular vote.
As a side note, had it been a popular election, and Trump won, Hillary would be whining that had it been an Electoral College vote, she would have won. Bet on it.
She’s the biggest sore loser in the world, and she’s an embarrassment to America.
I posted this:
and your reply:
If this thread were about how little lefties believe Trump, this would have merit. On this thread however, it is just an emotional assertion that is meant to protest the concept of the opening post and title that you cannot provide an appropriate response to. You cannot post what the opening post and title request, so you have provided this weak substitute instead in attempt to discredit and and derail it.
If you really wish to teach Rob a lesson, go find a lie and format it into a post that conforms to what the opening post and title ask for, and add the extra impact of demonstrating in that post that you are fully conscious of what the actual definition of a lie is.
and your reply:
If this thread were about how little lefties believe Trump, this would have merit. On this thread however, it is just an emotional assertion that is meant to protest the concept of the opening post and title that you cannot provide an appropriate response to. You cannot post what the opening post and title request, so you have provided this weak substitute instead in attempt to discredit and and derail it.
If you really wish to teach Rob a lesson, go find a lie and format it into a post that conforms to what the opening post and title ask for, and add the extra impact of demonstrating in that post that you are fully conscious of what the actual definition of a lie is.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Point to the post and explain what is wrong with my reply. It’s called ‘debating’. All you are doing now is using logical fallacies and excuses. You haven’t provided one lie that wasn’t shot down, but you say there are thousands. Why not find a real one then? Surely you could do that? Please control your Gish Gallops though. We don’t want mountains of those on the front lawn, thanks. And avoid the snap frozen Vietnamese ready to go easy packs. They’re never any good.
That’s not saying anything though. No human could improvise 50,000 words a day as POTUS’ do, at that age, under that pressure, without making some false statements. You would probably make ten times as many as Trump. Luckily the ones he makes are mostly harmless, so there’s nothing to worry about. It’s when they become harmful that you have to worry. He might do that when he goes senile in ten or twenty years.
Not true, because the false statements in question are harmless. He’ll say he played golf on July 17, two years ago at a certain place, and it will actually be the 18th of July. No big deal. Fake News will explode with poutrage, but who cares? They’re just a bunch of psychopathic socialists not worth listening to. Switch to Fox. Think of this exactly as you do when someone on TV tells you that mites are having sex on your face as we speak. Then the expert goes on to say it’s all good, because it’s harmless. The same expert will say, “The average person makes X number of mistakes in free speech a day,” but then he goes on to explain that it’s all good because they are harmless mistakes most of the time. Fake News’ job is to take those harmless mistakes and blow them way out of proportion. Also, they twist words out of context, misquote and exaggerate, and all kinds of other things. It’s not just the innocent mistakes – it is loads of other stuff besides.
To concede I would have had to have to admit that something is true or valid after first denying or resisting it, or surrender something I possess. I have said that he may have been coerced into making a false statement, and yes, people sometimes may tell him something that isn’t true, and he may repeat it, and sure, of course he may change plans when doctors tell him to, and all these things are common to all humans. So what does it mean? It means he’s not only a great POTUS, he’s a normal human. Yippee!