And so it begins: open Civil War has broken out in the GOP

Micawber said:
Obamacare was a giant leap forward for liberal values. You can't leapfrog from jungle law to single payer anymore than the first space mission can
go to alpha centauri before the moon. How many millions got out of the losing end of social darwinism to having medical care? How many million exactly?
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Precisely! Some type of UHC is inevitable and the affordable care act was only step 1.
 
Port Tack said:
I hope to be in this party a republican must agree to publicly state that Trump lost. Most trumplicans would not vote for a republican that made such a statement. Slim chance a republican will win re-election without trumplicans.
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[FONT=&quot]Republicans stoked the questions about the legitimacy of the election despite the fact that more than 90 judges and courts rejected lawsuits seeking to overturn the outcome, and Trump’s attorney general, William P. Barr, found that there was no widespread fraud. Trump’s insistence that the election was stolen incited a mob of insurrectionists to storm the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Despite the lack of evidence, 139 Republican House members, including McCarthy, voted to challenge election results.[/FONT]

Geoff Kabaservice, who chronicled the transformation of the GOP in his 2012 book, “Rule and Ruin: The Downfall of Moderation and the Destruction of the Republican Party,” said in an interview that party members are clinging to Trump’s false claims about the election to protect their own reelection.
“These people are afraid of their base,” Kabaservice said. “They know that if they actually come out and forthrightly tell these 70 percent of Republicans who believe Joe Biden did not legitimately win the election, that the base will turn against them, that they’ll end up with a primary challenge, Trump himself will get involved and they’ll lose and they’ll be out of politics.”


Republicans’ conflicting message: Embracing Trump election lie is key to prominence, just stop asking us about it (msn.com)
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello goat,



The Democrats could not possibly have gotten a public option or single-payer without the Republicans joining in on the legislation. Big Pharma and Big Insurance are just too powerful for either party to go up against alone. The only way to counter that kind of power would be a groundswell of grassroots power driving both parties to join together against big corporate America.

Big corporate America pits the parties against one another, alternately threatening to support the other to get whatever they want from either. And they donate to both parties so they both understand the threat is real. They don't dare go against it. No individuals can go against it, nor a small coalition. It would have to be the majority of both parties.

That's why we don't have single-payer or a public option. And even though Joe Biden made a public option a plank of his platform, it won't happen because it lacks the overwhelming support it needs. What he really meant was: "We can do this if everybody is on board, and I'll be glad to lead that." If he follows through and tries to get legislation, he will run into a brick wall, and he will give it up. I would be surprised if he ever sends down any such suggested legislation.
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If the midterm election leaves the democrats in charge with a larger majority I think it's entirely possible. The country wants it even if the repubs in congress don't give two shits what the country wants.
 
Son of the Revolution said:
we don't have any klan around these parts you fucking POS coward
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You're not a Klan member, Son?

Let's check; you're pro-Trump and believe the election was stolen, but you didn't support overthrowing the results.

You're anti-black, hate BLM yet claim to not be member of the KKK. Are you a member of some other White Supremacist group, Son? Not that I expect you'd leave your basement to help them. You're an idea man, right? You never get your hands dirty? LOL
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. The Republicans are setting themselves up for losing both the 2022 and 2024 elections.

Although I doubt many Republicans will actually vote for Democrats, the Democrats will likely win by default as more former Republicans like myself vote Libertarian or some other third party.
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And the democrats I am sure thank you for your support.;)
 
Port Tack said:
Don't give a shit what they call it, just split it in half so they fucking lose elections.
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I'd rather split and follow a Rino party than stay in a "tell stupid easily detectable lies all the time right to their faces" party filled with only nitwits and degenerates
 
Phantasmal said:
I’ve seen a couple of my family members say they are done with Trump and his supporters. They will vote third party. One voted for Biden and he’s very happy with his vote, so far.
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I have a distant relative that was avid about trump. Used to call saying trump trump trump trump, trump trump trump trump. After Jan 6 he called and apologized. He said he was embarrassed to ever have supported him.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
They can thank the Republicans for fucking up so badly former members won't vote for them. Note that people like myself won't be voting for Democrats either.
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That’s too bad. I would vote for a good Republican. I would vote for a good Independent, Green, or Libertarian. I vote for people who support my values. I put country over party.
 
Before you accept people's apologies ask that they refuse to vote for anyone kissing Trump's ring and acting like him.
There will be so many who do not disavow in order to sop up the loser vote.
 
Phantasmal said:
That’s too bad. I would vote for a good Republican. I would vote for a good Independent, Green, or Libertarian. I vote for people who support my values. I put country over party.
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Locally, yes. I'm referencing Congress and the WH. I have a choice of two Senators, one Rep and one President.
 
Phantasmal said:
That’s too bad. I would vote for a good Republican. I would vote for a good Independent, Green, or Libertarian. I vote for people who support my values. I put country over party.
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I'm not that choosy anymore. I don't vote for deranged criminal narcissistic flame throwing jerks. My bar has become low out of necessity.
 
goat said:
Bailing out 'capitalists' is called corporate socialism.
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A capitalistic country with a few social programs is not a socialist country, it's a smart country. We have had social security for nearly a century, does that makes us a socialist country?
 
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