Fellow Christians, what does this passage mean to you?

Jarod said:
Bullshit, I resent that after all of these years you fail to give me the benefit of the doubt. I started a new thread to see what people who were not in the other thread thought. I happen to agree with your assessment of the passage, personally I belive that the word of God intended for men and women to be equal in relationships and to have equal power and rolls in the family dynamic. I simply belive that many Christians do not belive this and many women suffer due to the teachings of many Churches. I know many women and men who belvie that women are to be subservent to there husbands because "the bible says so." It is clear that they interperate the passage in a different way than you and me. I can see how, I suspect that the translation of this passage was done intentionally to promote the subjation of women.
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And here we have it, after days of this idiot arguing with virtually everybody over what the Bible DOESN'T say... he finally admits he was WRONG! Did you catch that? Then he immediately throws the onus of blame onto "many Christians" who supposedly believe the shit he's been spewing in error for days. This would be really funny if it weren't so sad and pathetic... no wait, it still is funny.
 
Superfreak said:
If you translate it properly, it means 'Jarod is a douche bag'
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I could see why you might want to turn this into a joke to avoid discussing it any further, but come on, give it a shot. Can you answer my questions or are you just giving caned superfishal answers that you cant expound on...?
 
Dixie said:
And here we have it, after days of this idiot arguing with virtually everybody over what the Bible DOESN'T say... he finally admits he was WRONG! Did you catch that? Then he immediately throws the onus of blame onto "many Christians" who supposedly believe the shit he's been spewing in error for days. This would be really funny if it weren't so sad and pathetic... no wait, it still is funny.
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Belive what you want, I am trying to have an honest discussion. Ive always thought the Bible is wrong on this subject. The Word of God and the Bible are two different things considering this subject.
 
Superfreak said:
Jesus was banging Mary M....
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Yes, it has been rumored. The apostles referred to him as Rabbi, one must be married for that title, but Christians don't want to acknowledge the fact. There is no mention of his private life or at least not in the Canonical Gospels. They wanted him virginal, it is the state most loved by Yahweh.
 
Dixie said:
And here we have it, after days of this idiot arguing with virtually everybody over what the Bible DOESN'T say... he finally admits he was WRONG! Did you catch that? Then he immediately throws the onus of blame onto "many Christians" who supposedly believe the shit he's been spewing in error for days. This would be really funny if it weren't so sad and pathetic... no wait, it still is funny.
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Huh?
 
Rana said:
Yes, it has been rumored. The apostles referred to him as Rabbi, one must be married for that title, but Christians don't want to acknowledge the fact. There is no mention of his private life or at least not in the Canonical Gospels. They wanted him virginal, it is the state most loved by Yahweh.
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I don't know much about religion, you know so much about it. I didn't know this, I wonder if this is where the right's virginity fetish was born? That stuff freaks me out - did you ever read about those promise ceremonies where the girl promises her virginity to her dad until he gives her away to another man who she will "gift" with it? Holy shit, my father would have been like wtf? That's creepy stuff, I don't care what anyone says. The more I read the more grateful I am for the parents I ended up with.
 
Darla said:
I don't know much about religion, you know so much about it. I didn't know this, I wonder if this is where the right's virginity fetish was born? That stuff freaks me out - did you ever read about those promise ceremonies where the girl promises her virginity to her dad until he gives her away to another man who she will "gift" with it? Holy shit, my father would have been like wtf? That's creepy stuff, I don't care what anyone says. The more I read the more grateful I am for the parents I ended up with.
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It goes back to our baser instincts. Male pride, woman being chattel. Men wanting to be sure that any offspring was theirs...

Paul thought it kept you from fouling yourself with things of this world. Remember, they thought they were in the end times, Jesus was going to return, so you had to be prepared. Karen Aprmstrong has written some great books on the matter.
 
Jarod said:
Belive what you want, I am trying to have an honest discussion. Ive always thought the Bible is wrong on this subject. The Word of God and the Bible are two different things considering this subject.
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I don't think you have EVER tried to have an HONEST discussion, I think you are incapable of that. For days on end, you have been defending your asinine insistence that The Bible preaches women are subservient to men, just as Islam and Sharia. People who are Christians and people who are not, have posted actual verses from the Bible to show you that your interpretations are incorrect. To my knowledge, no one ever showed up to support anything you claimed, and you continued to insist that "submit to" meant the same as "subservient." Damo (not a Christian) showed you where the Bible makes it clear the "submission" is mutual, that both husband and wife are to submit to one another, and STILL... you continued to spawn new threads and insist you are right and everybody else was just wrong.... until today, suddenly, you are backpedaling, and trying to lay blame on mythical Christians you personally know, who believe what you rattled off and were PWNED over.

But it's nice to know you finally came to your senses and realized you were wrong. Now if we can just get you straightened out about what Sharia and Islam say about women, we'll be making progress.
 
Dixie said:
I don't think you have EVER tried to have an HONEST discussion, I think you are incapable of that. For days on end, you have been defending your asinine insistence that The Bible preaches women are subservient to men, just as Islam and Sharia. People who are Christians and people who are not, have posted actual verses from the Bible to show you that your interpretations are incorrect. To my knowledge, no one ever showed up to support anything you claimed, and you continued to insist that "submit to" meant the same as "subservient." Damo (not a Christian) showed you where the Bible makes it clear the "submission" is mutual, that both husband and wife are to submit to one another, and STILL... you continued to spawn new threads and insist you are right and everybody else was just wrong.... until today, suddenly, you are backpedaling, and trying to lay blame on mythical Christians you personally know, who believe what you rattled off and were PWNED over.

But it's nice to know you finally came to your senses and realized you were wrong. Now if we can just get you straightened out about what Sharia and Islam say about women, we'll be making progress.
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Well, like all people, you take the book out of the times. Paul, the Hellenized Greek believed in some equality for women, on the other hand, there was Peter and the Jews, they didn't. Some Gospels also have Mary Magdalen as Jesus most beloved disciple, but those Gospels did not make it into the very Orthodox Bible.

It depends which sect of Christianity you belong to upon which version of the scriptures you adhere to, if you are Southern Baptist, the scripture means, the husband is the head of the family, no questions, if you are Catholic, it is about equality, but the husband still has authority. There is a lot more wiggle room. The meaning changes with the times, as a lot of scripture verses do.
 
Dixie said:
I don't think you have EVER tried to have an HONEST discussion, I think you are incapable of that. For days on end, you have been defending your asinine insistence that The Bible preaches women are subservient to men, just as Islam and Sharia. People who are Christians and people who are not, have posted actual verses from the Bible to show you that your interpretations are incorrect. To my knowledge, no one ever showed up to support anything you claimed, and you continued to insist that "submit to" meant the same as "subservient." Damo (not a Christian) showed you where the Bible makes it clear the "submission" is mutual, that both husband and wife are to submit to one another, and STILL... you continued to spawn new threads and insist you are right and everybody else was just wrong.... until today, suddenly, you are backpedaling, and trying to lay blame on mythical Christians you personally know, who believe what you rattled off and were PWNED over.

But it's nice to know you finally came to your senses and realized you were wrong. Now if we can just get you straightened out about what Sharia and Islam say about women, we'll be making progress.
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1) I still say the Bible preches that women are to submit to there husbands.
2) I have not once said, just as Islam and Sharia. (DISHONORABLE LIAR)
3) Regardless if others have supported what I said or not, I still belive I am correct, popularity does not equate to correctness.
4) Damocles did not show me any such thing, he showed me where the Bible said that men and women are the same, thats different.
5) My position has remained the same.
6) I dont deny that Islam and Sharia have some very harmfull and negative things to say about women and there position in the world.
7) Please explain to me why Women are not allowed to be Priests? What is the Biblical context that makes this a reality in the modern world?
 
Jarod said:
I could see why you might want to turn this into a joke to avoid discussing it any further, but come on, give it a shot. Can you answer my questions or are you just giving caned superfishal answers that you cant expound on...?
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I am not a Christian. You asked that only Christians reply.
 
Jarod said:
1) I still say the Bible preches that women are to submit to there husbands.
2) I have not once said, just as Islam and Sharia. (DISHONORABLE LIAR)
3) Regardless if others have supported what I said or not, I still belive I am correct, popularity does not equate to correctness.
4) Damocles did not show me any such thing, he showed me where the Bible said that men and women are the same, thats different.
5) My position has remained the same.
6) I dont deny that Islam and Sharia have some very harmfull and negative things to say about women and there position in the world.
7) Please explain to me why Women are not allowed to be Priests? What is the Biblical context that makes this a reality in the modern world?
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Okay, so NOW you want to drag this off into a discussion about the various beliefs and interpretations of the scripture by different groups? I don't think so, skippy! This is not about what people mistakenly believe the Bible says, but what the Bible actually says. Some people believe all kinds of CRAZY shit... was THAT your point? If so, you proved it by your own erroneous thinking about what the Bible said. Well done!

You said, in the other thread, that you didn't see anything wrong with considering Sharia law in American courts. Have you had a sudden awakening on that point of idiocy today too? Or are you still standing behind that statement? I never know with you... next you'll be telling us that you don't really believe what you said, that it's just "some Muslims" who you personally know, who've told you they believe this... but you really agree with all of us.... lol

The Bible does stipulate that wives are to submit to their husbands and husbands are to love and protect their wives as if they were holy, and submit to them... it is mutual. It further states that no distinction is made by gender, all are equal in the eyes of God. NOWHERE does it state that WOMEN are to be SUBSERVIENT to men.... NOWHERE! It also doesn't state that men should subjugate women... NOT IN THERE! It doesn't say men are greater or more important than women.... NOT IN THE BIBLE! These are ALL interpretations you have derived through limited and ignorant knowledge of the Bible, and you have been totally schooled on it here, by people who aren't even Christian believers!

Meanwhile, throughout the Koran and Sharia, women are relegated to property of the man, NEVER is it articulated they are EQUAL in ANY way.... as a matter of fucking fact.... MUCH of what Radical Islam is all about, is the Western custom of gender equality, and how it undermines the teachings of Islam. That's what makes us "infidels" to them, women's liberation! Yet, here you are with your profound ignorance of both Christian AND Muslim religions, telling us what you believe both religions are saying... as IF you have any clue!
 
Dixie said:
Okay, so NOW you want to drag this off into a discussion about the various beliefs and interpretations of the scripture by different groups? I don't think so, skippy! This is not about what people mistakenly believe the Bible says, but what the Bible actually says. Some people believe all kinds of CRAZY shit... was THAT your point? If so, you proved it by your own erroneous thinking about what the Bible said. Well done!

You said, in the other thread, that you didn't see anything wrong with considering Sharia law in American courts. Have you had a sudden awakening on that point of idiocy today too? Or are you still standing behind that statement? I never know with you... next you'll be telling us that you don't really believe what you said, that it's just "some Muslims" who you personally know, who've told you they believe this... but you really agree with all of us.... lol

The Bible does stipulate that wives are to submit to their husbands and husbands are to love and protect their wives as if they were holy, and submit to them... it is mutual. It further states that no distinction is made by gender, all are equal in the eyes of God. NOWHERE does it state that WOMEN are to be SUBSERVIENT to men.... NOWHERE! It also doesn't state that men should subjugate women... NOT IN THERE! It doesn't say men are greater or more important than women.... NOT IN THE BIBLE! These are ALL interpretations you have derived through limited and ignorant knowledge of the Bible, and you have been totally schooled on it here, by people who aren't even Christian believers!

Meanwhile, throughout the Koran and Sharia, women are relegated to property of the man, NEVER is it articulated they are EQUAL in ANY way.... as a matter of fucking fact.... MUCH of what Radical Islam is all about, is the Western custom of gender equality, and how it undermines the teachings of Islam. That's what makes us "infidels" to them, women's liberation! Yet, here you are with your profound ignorance of both Christian AND Muslim religions, telling us what you believe both religions are saying... as IF you have any clue!
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So, Dixie there a lot of women who disagree with your version of the Bible.
 
Rana said:
So, Dixie there a lot of women who disagree with your version of the Bible.
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1Cr 11:7 * For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.


1Cr 11:8 * For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.


1Cr 11:9 * Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
 
Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee” (KJV, Genesis 3:16).
 
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate a person to the LORD by giving the equivalent value, 3 set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels[a] of silver, according to the sanctuary shekel; 4 for a female, set her value at thirty shekels[c]; 5 for a person between the ages of five and twenty, set the value of a male at twenty shekels[d] and of a female at ten shekels[e]; 6 for a person between one month and five years, set the value of a male at five shekels[f] of silver and that of a female at three shekels[g] of silver; 7 for a person sixty years old or more, set the value of a male at fifteen shekels[h] and of a female at ten shekels. 8 If anyone making the vow is too poor to pay the specified amount, the person being dedicated is to be presented to the priest, who will set the value according to what the one making the vow can afford.
 
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