Well we got this week’s school shooting in the books early

Jarod said:
Not all of the founders agreed with The Federalist Papers, that is why the Constitution did not include everything. The Founders would not have given the right of the individual to own a weapon that could wipe out a city block, yet they worded the Amendment that way. The founders did not give us the right to take privileges away from Disney for speaking out against the governor, but Republicans support i.
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You again conflate Federal power with that exercised by the State. It's like you purposefully ignored the constitution portion of your legal training. While not all of them are included, THIS ONE WAS. And it was CAREFULLY worded, and notated. Even discussed by the Federalist Papers.

The reality, this is an individual right, and it was so the people (yes citizens) would be able to overcome tyranny should it reconvene on these shores.
 
Damocles said:
You again conflate Federal power with that exercised by the State. It's like you purposefully ignored the constitution portion of your legal training. While not all of them are included, THIS ONE WAS. And it was CAREFULLY worded, and notated. Even discussed by the Federalist Papers.

The reality, this is an individual right, and it was so the people (yes citizens) would be able to overcome tyranny should it reconvene on these shores.
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The Supreme Court has via the 14th Amendment imputed all of the Bill of Rights to the States.

Second sentence of the 14th...

“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
 
Jarod said:
Not all of the founders agreed with The Federalist Papers, that is why the Constitution did not include everything.
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You don't get to speak for the dead. The Constitution, and ONLY the Constitution is the authoritative reference of the Constitution.
Jarod said:
The Founders would not have given the right of the individual to own a weapon that could wipe out a city block,
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You don't get to speak for the dead. People with guns can wipe out a city block. A single bulldozer can wipe out a city block.
Jarod said:
yet they worded the Amendment that way.
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That they did. Bulldozers are legal, even as a weapon. So is any gun. So is ANY weapon.
Jarod said:
The founders did not give us the right to take privileges away from Disney for speaking out against the governor, but Republicans support it.
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You don't get to speak for the dead. The Constitution is not the founders. See the 14th amendment and the Constitution of the State of Florida. The 1st amendment does not apply to the States.
 
evince said:
Great


Everyone can have a musket



Let’s just ban war weapons
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This is stupid even for Desh.

The "shall not be infringed" was written so that the people could have weapons equal to the aforementioned Militia that the State could call up. If this was written nowadays it would read more like this:
Because the Federal Government has access to a standing army and every state guard (militia), the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
 
Damocles said:
This is stupid even for Desh.

The "shall not be infringed" was written so that the people could have weapons equal to the aforementioned Militia that the State could call up. If this was written nowadays it would read more like this:
Because the Federal Government has access to a standing army and every state guard (militia), the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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I disagree with your interpretation
 
PostmodernProphet said:
before she was determined to be suicidal......suicidal people generally are not allowed to keep weapons around......ya' think?......
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I don't really know; I suppose it depends on the state. If that state said no they can't, then she should have been flagged somehow when she went to purchase them.
 
Jarod said:
The Supreme Court has via the 14th Amendment imputed all of the Bill of Rights to the States.
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The Supreme Court has no authority to change the Constitution. The 14th amendment does not discuss or replace any amendment.
Jarod said:
Second sentence of the 14th...
“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
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Let's quote the entirety of $1, shall we?

14th Amendment said:
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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That means if Disney has special status, it must be removed. DeSantis complied with this law.
Similarly, any special traffic lane or 'commuter' lane is unconstitutional since it can only be used by a selected group.
It also means that persecuting Trump for 'violation' of the same laws that Biden is violation of, but no prosecuting Biden, is also unconstitutional.
It also means that affirmative action laws are unconstitutional.


You deny and discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions.

* you want special status for Disneyworld.
* you want special status for your various sexual deviancies.
* you want special status for people of a certain color skin.
* you want special status for people that earn less some arbitrary amount decided by you.
* you want special status for people that drive a certain type of car, arbitrarily decided by you to be 'planet saving'.

It's all unconstitutional, dude.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the last I heard she had purchased the guns long ago.....do you have a link that says otherwise......
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This article from the Guardian doesn't say.

“We’ve determined that [the killer] bought seven firearms from five different gun stores here legally,” Drake said. “Three of those weapons were used yesterday during the horrific tragedy.

“Law enforcement knew nothing about the treatment she was receiving but her parents felt she should not own weapons. They were under the impression that she sold one weapon and did not own any more. As it turned out, she had been hiding several weapons within the house.”
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