Not gonna matter because each state is going to do it differently, and people will just cross borders and bring those guns across borders.
There needs to be a national standard because this is a national problem, not a local one.
Armed Citizen Stops Shooter at Indiana Mall: GOOD GUY WITH A GUN
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Not gonna matter because each state is going to do it differently, and people will just cross borders and bring those guns across borders.
There needs to be a national standard because this is a national problem, not a local one.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
but you're not right. you're so incredibly wrong. and you've NEVER been right about anything in the military.......ever.
So the military encourages independent thought and critical thinking of the orders soldiers are issued?
Or does the military encourage complicity and erasing your critical thinking skills so that you'll follow orders without question?
What happens if you question the orders your commanding officer gives you?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
NO? But why is the question. WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING SCARED TO REGISTER YOUR GUNS OR QUALIFY FOR A LICENSE TO OWN, SELL, BUY, OR CARRY?
Do you have a police record- do you have a record of Mental Illness?
ARE YOU A CHICKEN SHIT KIND OF GUY?
ARE YOU A PUSSY?
Unlike you moronic liberals who demand the biggest fucking government, I learned from history.....big government ALWAYS removes liberty and freedom. Did nazi germany, mao, pol pot, STALIN teach you anything? you NEVER surrender information like that to government because it will inevitably result in confiscation and democide.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
they not only encourage critical thinking, they demand it. In every job and order given one has to critically think about the order given being legal or illegal. If a private follows an illegal order, he is just as culpable in the crime as the person that gave the order. My job alone as an air traffic controller DEMANDED critical thinking skills because situations ALWAYS change when dealing with other individuals.
again, your thinking and beliefs are all kinds of wrong and I firmly believe that if you were ever put in a position of power or authority over others, you'd get them killed. go sit down and listen to the real adults deal with shit you cause.
But you didn't learn any of that because no one taught it to you and no one guided you. So it was all unstructured which means your conclusions won't be sound.
WTF? No. No no no no no. The military does not encourage soldiers to think whether or not the order they are getting is legal.
That is bullshit.
In fact, the exact opposite is drilled into you at Boot Camp.
The military absolutely DOES NOT encourage soldiers to determine the legality of the orders they are receiving.
I call 100% bullshit on that.
Right, but you were trained for that when you were trained for the job.
Unless you're going to tell me that they just plucked you right out of boot camp and placed you in the chair with absolutely no training...I find that very hard to believe.
Geeko Sportivo
Verified User
Without government- THERE WOULD BE NO LAW OR ORDER!
So you anti-government/anti-establisment retards can go and fuck yourself!
NEXT!
Do they now? So where is that written? Where in this schedule in Boot Camp does what you're saying fall in?
Time Activity Description
4:30 a.m. First Call Wake up to perform personal morning tasks and conduct hygiene. For males, shaving is mandatory every morning.
5:00 a.m. Physical Training (PT) Form up in the company area, perform morning physical training (calisthenics and running).
6:00 a.m. Breakfast
6:30 a.m. Training Begin the day's scheduled training exercises.
12:00 p.m Lunch
12:30 p.m Training Continue the day's scheduled training exercises.
5:00 p.m. Dinner
5:30 p.m. Drill sergeant time Time for drill sergeants to speak with the recruits about any subject they may think requires attention. Mail call is also performed during this time.
8:00 p.m. Personal time Time for recruits to engage in personal activities, such as writing letters, laundry, showering, relaxation, or sleep. Recruits may also catch up on platoon duties during this time, such as barracks cleaning or wall locker organization.
9:00 p.m. Lights-out
Don't see any classes in that schedule about critical thinking and the legality of orders.
No they don't
Soldier's Creed
I am an American Soldier.
I am a warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy, the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.
Well gee, I don't see anything in there about thinking critically about every order received, thought it does say "the mission" is first, which would include orders for the mission, right?
Well let's check the Core Values and see what they say:
Loyalty
Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit and other Soldiers. Bearing true faith and allegiance is a matter of believing in and devoting yourself to something or someone. A loyal Soldier is one who supports the leadership and stands up for fellow Soldiers. By wearing the uniform of the U.S. Army you are expressing your loyalty. And by doing your share, you show your loyalty to your unit.
Well nothing in there about critical thinking, but a lot about loyalty.
Duty
Fulfill your obligations. Doing your duty means more than carrying out your assigned tasks. Duty means being able to accomplish tasks as part of a team. The work of the U.S. Army is a complex combination of missions, tasks and responsibilities - all in constant motion. Our work entails building one assignment onto another. You fulfill your obligations as a part of your unit every time you resist the temptation to take "shortcuts" that might undermine the integrity of the final product.
This sure seems anti-critical thinking to me, particularly the part about "shortcuts".
Respect
Treat people as they should be treated. In the Soldier's Code, we pledge to "treat others with dignity and respect while expecting others to do the same." Respect is what allows us to appreciate the best in other people. Respect is trusting that all people have done their jobs and fulfilled their duty. And self-respect is a vital ingredient with the Army value of respect, which results from knowing you have put forth your best effort. The Army is one team and each of us has something to contribute.
Nothing there about critical thinking.
Selfless Service
Put the welfare of the nation, the Army and your subordinates before your own. Selfless service is larger than just one person. In serving your country, you are doing your duty loyally without thought of recognition or gain. The basic building block of selfless service is the commitment of each team member to go a little further, endure a little longer, and look a little closer to see how he or she can add to the effort.
Nothing there about critical thinking.
Honor
Live up to Army values. The nation's highest military award is The Medal of Honor. This award goes to Soldiers who make honor a matter of daily living - Soldiers who develop the habit of being honorable, and solidify that habit with every value choice they make. Honor is a matter of carrying out, acting, and living the values of respect, duty, loyalty, selfless service, integrity and personal courage in everything you do.
Nothing there about critical thinking.
Integrity
Do what's right, legally and morally. Integrity is a quality you develop by adhering to moral principles. It requires that you do and say nothing that deceives others. As your integrity grows, so does the trust others place in you. The more choices you make based on integrity, the more this highly prized value will affect your relationships with family and friends, and, finally, the fundamental acceptance of yourself.
Nothing there about critical thinking.
Personal Courage
Face fear, danger or adversity (physical or moral). Personal courage has long been associated with our Army. With physical courage, it is a matter of enduring physical duress and at times risking personal safety. Facing moral fear or adversity may be a long, slow process of continuing forward on the right path, especially if taking those actions is not popular with others. You can build your personal courage by daily standing up for and acting upon the things that you know are honorable.
Nothing there about critical thinking.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Correct. There's no such thing as "Free" or "Santa Claus", LV. Why should taxpayers pay for a person who made poor choices in college? Did you want to forgive the debt of those who lost money speculating on their homes during the housing meltdown? IMO that's no better than forgiving the debt of Vegas gamblers betting their house on roulette.
The only reason I forgive your lying, LV, is because I truly believe you have mental issues. I don't know if it's because you're young and undisciplined or because you have autism or some other mental abnormality which breaks you from the norm. Regardless, results count.
I can't stop you from making illogical judgements of me and I won't try. You're issues are not my issues.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
That's because, for whatever reason, you only see what you want to see. The parts below. It's stupid of you to try to lie by omission.
Those who served know what the below means; those who never served or hate the military will lie about it.
Character is the foundation for all you will do as a soldier and all you can become. Throughout your training, you’ll learn the Seven Army Values:
Loyalty
Duty
Respect
Selfless Service
Honor
Integrity
Personal Courage
These values form the basis of your soldier character and they sustain a soldier in times of both peace and conflict. You’ll study Army ethics, standards of conduct, human awareness, race relations, and prevention of sexual harassment.
Or this: s when the trainees learn more individual skills and prepare for the rigors of the night infiltration course test. Here is where you will pick up additional advanced weapons training including on the AT4 anti-tank weapon. You will also receive advanced rifle marksmanship training such as close quarters marksmanship, how to engage moving targets, reflexive fire, battle march and shoot, convoy operations, and moving under direct fire. You will continue to refine your marksmanship skills as well as your land navigation, individual tactical training, and rapelling tower skills.
You will be introduced to advanced topics such as rules of engagement, operational security, fire team training, convoy live fire, and squad tactical training.
This training is aimed at preparing the trainees for success when they reach their Advanced Individual Training (AIT) units, followed by their permanent party units.
To graduate from Basic Combat Training, soldiers must complete all training events during the nine week cycle. Some examples are:
- Qualify with their M16A4 rifle
- Pass their Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT)
- Qualify with hand grenades
- Pass the End Of Cycle Test (EOCT)
The day before graduation, the Battalion Commander meets with soldiers’ family and friends and discuss your soldier’s Basic Combat Training experiences and answer questions. You will also meet the drill sergeants that trained your soldier and observe some soldier skill demonstrations. You will also, finally, get a chance to meet with your soldier and congratulate your soldier on having successfully completed 9 weeks of training!
Right so everything you've given me here indicates indoctrination, not critical thinking.
The below that you copied and pasted has absolutely NOTHING to do with critical thinking.
In fact, in Boot Camp, isn't the goal to break you down so that you follow your drill instructor's orders to the letter?
What happens when you defy your commanding officer's orders in the military? Are you met with praise, or do you end up punished?
ExpressLane
Verified User
Then it should be PERFECT for you!
So how come you knew the plan was to attack the Capitol on 1/6, but didn't tell anyone?
Obviously you know I mean free-at-the-point-of-service, you're just being a sophist because, well, that's all you can do now since every single one of your argument is horseshit and you know it.
Who says they are poor choices?
You?
Who made you the arbiter of other people's choices? Abso-fucking-lutely no one.
So just like SmarterThanYou, you have lent yourself authority you didn't earn.
That has nothing to do with people going to college.
And maybe if more people went to college, there wouldn't be as many suckers to cause an economic collapse.