3rd DRUG (& PEOPLE) TUNNEL found under AZ border wall in a month...

Opioids don't come from Mexico, they come from CVS and Walgreens.

MS-13 is not a threat to you; MS-13 is a threat only to the migrants escaping their influence in Central America.

Really!!

1. MS-13 Pimp Ordered Baseball Bat Beating of Underage ‘Prostitute’
Prosecutors in Montgomery County, Maryland, charged a known MS-13 leader for ordering the beating of a 15-year-old girl with a baseball bat who had been forced into prostitution. Two other Salvadoran nationals are also named in the case.
Law enforcement officials said that Miguel Angel “Noctorno” Ayala-Rivera, a 24-year-old MS-13 member who illegally entered the U.S. from El Salvador, ordered his fellow gang members to beat a 15-year-old girl with a baseball bat. “Noctorno” reportedly pimped out the victim along with other underage girls, Breitbart Texas reported.

Nothing here about her being an immigrant.

2. MS-13 Gang Beheaded Victim — Cut out His Heart, Say Maryland Police
A gang of 10 MS-13 members brutally murdered a Maryland man by stabbing more him than 100 times, beheading and dismembering him, and cutting out his heart, Maryland detectives say. The victim has yet to be positively identified and police are asking for help from the community, Breitbart Texas reported.
Court documents obtained by ABC 7 News in Washington, D.C., reveal the brutal details of the ambush and murder allegedly carried out by an informant and nine other MS-13 members. The attack is believed to have been carried out by the gang in early spring this year, officers write in the Statement of Charges.

Nothing here about him being an immigrant.

3. MS-13 Gang Members Beat, Stab New York Teen Girls to Death
A number of MS-13 Gang members, some of which are illegal immigrants, were indicted in federal court for their involvement in the slayings of two New York teenagers.
Some 13 MS-13 gang members, 10 being illegal immigrants, were indicted for murder charges against Nisa Mickens and Kayla Cuevas, as well as five other individuals who were allegedly murdered by the criminal organization, Breitbart Texas reported.
New York Attorney Robert Capers said the MS-13 gang members noticed the two teenage girls while they were looking for rival gang members to spar with. The gang members had previously known Cuevas from a past altercation and called their gang leader for approval to kill the girls.
Capers told the media that the two girls were killed by MS-13 gang members “swinging baseball bats and machetes” at them, pointing out that both were running for their lives.

Nothing here about them being an immigrant.

4. MS-13 Gang Members Beat Maryland Woman to Death
Five illegal aliens who are part of the MS-13 gang were charged in connection with the brutal murder of a Maryland woman who was beaten to death and buried in June and unearthed in September, Breitbart Texas reported.
Maryland authorities discovered the body of 21-year-old Jenni B. Rivera in a shallow grave on the outskirts of Annapolis, the Baltimore Sun reported. The victim was allegedly lured to her death and then beaten by Ervin Figueroa, Brenda Argueta, Ronald Mendez Sosa, Darvin Guerra-Zacarias, and Francisco Ramirez-Pena – all five members of the MS-13 who have immigration detainers on them. Each had varying degrees of participation, with two carrying out the actual murder.

Nothing here about her being an immigrant.

5. ‘See You in Hell,’ Convicted Female MS-13 Gang Member Told Victim
A female MS-13 gang member told her victim she would see you in hell before stabbing her 15-year-old victim 13 times. The now-convicted killer confessed to police that she killed the victim in revenge for the girl sleeping with her boyfriend, Breitbart Texas reported.
Venus Romero Iraheta pleaded guilty this week in a Virginia court on charges of first-degree murder, abduction, and criminal street gang participation, Fox 26 reported. Even though the killer was 17 at the time of the murder, the state tried her as an adult. She faces a maximum penalty of life in prison plus 20 years.

Nothing here about her being an immigrant.

6. Four NY Teens Brutally Beaten to Death by MS-13 Gang
Investigators identified the victims on Friday as Michael Lopez Banegas, 20, Jefferson Villalobos, 18, Jorge Tigre, 18, and Justin Llivicura, 16, Breitbart Texas reported.
The bodies were found Wednesday near a soccer field inside Recreation Village Town Park located on Long Island.
Authorities said the murders, which represent one incident, are consistent with MS-13, which is known to have a strong presence in the area.
Referring to just one of the victims, Suffolk County Police Commissioner Timothy D. Sini said, “He was beaten to death. Brutally. It wasn’t like they shot him and left it. They beat him to death brutally.”

Nothing here about him being an immigrant.

7. MS-13 Woman Laughed As Murder Victim Was Stabbed 153 Times, Say Prosecutors
Prosecutors said that she lured a man, whom she mistakenly identified as a rival, to a Maryland park for sex–where MS-13 were waiting to kill him, Breitbart Texas reported.
MS-13 member Vanesa E. Alvarado, 20, was sentenced to 40 years in prison on May 30 for her role in the murder of Christian Villagran Morales, 18, in June 2016.
Prosecutors said that Alvarado lured Morales to the park with the promise of sexual favors where four MS-13 members – Juan Gutierrez-Vasquez, 17; Jose Coreas-Ventura, 20; Josue Cuadra-Quintanilla, 18; and Oscar Delgado-Perez, 28; were waiting to kill him.

Nothing here about him being an immigrant.

8. MS-13 Gang Leader Murdered 14-Year-Old Texas Boy With Machete
The leader of a Houston area MS-13 gang was convicted in a Texas criminal district court in connection with the murder of a 14-year-old Texas boy. The murder was carried out with the use of a machete as four gang members hacked the boy to death, Breitbart Texas reported.
Jose Granados-Guevara, 23, was convicted by state district court Judge Terry Mlenniken following a three-day bench trial. The judge sentenced Granados-Guevara to spend 99 years in a state prison.

Nothing here about him being an immigrant.

9. MS-13 Members Charged with Machete Attacks in U.S.
Three MS-13 gang members living in the Long Island town of Westbury have been charged with attempted murder following their alleged involvement with two machete attacks, Breitbart Texas reported.
Brothers Fidel Hernandez, 23, Jose Hernandez, 26, along with Miguel Urias Arguenta, 18, are now facing murder charges following two separate attacks–including one which involved a 19-year-old male victim.

Nothing here about the victims being an immigrant.

10. MS-13 Gang Attempted to Kidnap, Murder 16-Yr-Old Boy
Police in Suffolk County, New York, say they stopped a MS-13 gang’s attempt to kidnap and likely kill a 16-year-old boy. The attempt allegedly involved illegal aliens and Unaccompanied Alien Children, Breitbart Texas reported.
Plainclothes police from Long Island patrolling near Brentwood High School witnessed the gang attacking a 16-year-old boy and attempting to force him into a van, the New York Postreported. Officers moved in and arrested three MS-13 gang members and two affiliates.

Nothing here about him being an immigrant.

11. MS-13 Orders Murder of Teen after Facebook Photo Post
Testimony revealed the gang drove him in a van to a deserted area on mountain roads in West Virginia, Breitbart Texas reported.
As the attack began, the gang leaders filmed the brutal beating and murder to send to MS-13 leaders in El Salvador.
Viera Gonzalez ordered four of his fellow MS-13 gang members to hold Henriquez down by his extremities.
“They all took a chance, one at a time, stabbing Carlos with the pocketknife.” Viera Gonzalez testified they stabbed him so many times, “you could see his intestines.”

Nothing here about him being an immigrant.
 
Great. So you would agree that it's pointless and worthless, and there's no emergency to justify it.

So, using your "logic", there are no reasons to have signs by schools stating Gun Free and Drug Free Zones; because they're pointless and worthless!!
 
But you still support it because you're a racist.

If you favor any restrictions on who can enter the country you are also a racist; that also makes you a hypocrite.

I did not say I support it. I have serious doubts about how effective it would be, how long it would last, etc. The border patrol already showed how they can burn through a steel barrier. I have been rafting on that river and there is no way to build a wall across some of that land; plus, it cuts people off from their land and businesses.
 
If you favor any restrictions on who can enter the country you are also a racist; that also makes you a hypocrite.

No it doesn't.

You want to pretend it does, that way you don't have to look like a fucking idiot.

Weak sauce.
 
I have one for you snowflake.

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Are you saying you are a girl and I make you masturbate and cry? That's a little scary! Thanks for sharing!

Perhaps you should just STFU and stalk someone else for a change!
 
The border patrol already showed how they can burn through a steel barrier. I have been rafting on that river and there is no way to build a wall across some of that land; plus, it cuts people off from their land and businesses.

Right, so a wall wouldn't stop illegal immigration since most illegal immigrants now are people brought here on the visas Trump uses to import foreigners instead of hiring Americans.

Because people like Trump hate Americans. That's why he doesn't hire them.

Sounds to me like you think there should be accountability on the visa program, perhaps a mechanism that holds the employer accountable and responsible if the worker overstays the visa. That would probably do more to stop "illegal immigration" than any physical barrier, border security, or other bullshit.
 
Yeah you did, when you said you'd "hold out hope Mexico would pay for it".

You said that, remember?

Again, your usual reading problems are creating your misunderstanding.

I said "If we build it I am still holding out for Mexico to pay for it (and any trade deal does not do)."

We might build it whether I support it or not--but if we do I want Mexico to pay for it.
 
And don't forget the 9 million Obama voters who voted for Trump.

Oh boy, am I glad you typed this bullshit because I can now use it to thoroughly discredit you entirely on these boards as someone who merely repeats propaganda because you're not someone who thinks for yourself.

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First of all, 9 million Obama voters didn't vote for Trump. That's bullshit easily disproved using the actual vote totals.

Clinton got just 60,000 fewer votes in 2016 than Obama got in 2012. So for 9 million Obama voters to have voted for Trump would have meant that Clinton had to replace 9,000,000 voters in the electorate at a rate of 1:1.

It would also mean that of the 59 million votes Romney got in 2012, 9 million of those people either didn't vote, or voted for Clinton. But that would mean that turnout had to increase by 9,000,000 votes to make up for that difference, but turnout only increased by about 3 million.

So you're missing 6,000,000 votes.

So along the way, someone lied to you about Obama voters choosing Trump, and you believed that lie because it was easier for you to do that instead of thinking critically about it because you lack the ability to think critically about anything, hence why you repeated an obvious lie.
 
And don't forget the 9 million Obama voters who voted for Trump.

Obama 2012: 65,915,795
Romney 2012: 60,933,504

Clinton 2016: 65,853,514
Trump 2016: 62,984,828

So for this bullshit to make sense, Clinton should have only had 56,000,000 votes instead of 65,000,000 votes, because you're subtracting 9,000,000 from Obama's 2012 total.

That also means Trump's total should have been 69,000,000 votes because he took 9,000,000 votes from Clinton and added them to Romney's total.

Only, Trump got 63,000,000 votes, and Clinton got the same # of votes Obama got.

So none of the actual vote totals match what you're saying.

So that means you're repeating propaganda that confirms your bias because you're not a critical thinker.

Which would mean that nothing you say here has any credibility, and anything you post is immediately suspect as either a lie, or sloppy, hasty bullshit.
 
Right, so a wall wouldn't stop illegal immigration since most illegal immigrants now are people brought here on the visas Trump uses to import foreigners instead of hiring Americans.

Because people like Trump hate Americans. That's why he doesn't hire them.

Sounds to me like you think there should be accountability on the visa program, perhaps a mechanism that holds the employer accountable and responsible if the worker overstays the visa. That would probably do more to stop "illegal immigration" than any physical barrier, border security, or other bullshit.

Oh boy, am I glad you typed this bullshit because I can now use it to thoroughly discredit you entirely on these boards as someone who merely repeats propaganda because you're not someone who thinks for yourself.

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First of all, 9 million Obama voters didn't vote for Trump. That's bullshit easily disproved using the actual vote totals.

Clinton got just 60,000 fewer votes in 2016 than Obama got in 2012. So for 9 million Obama voters to have voted for Trump would have meant that Clinton had to replace 9,000,000 voters in the electorate at a rate of 1:1.

It would also mean that of the 59 million votes Romney got in 2012, 9 million of those people either didn't vote, or voted for Clinton. But that would mean that turnout had to increase by 9,000,000 votes to make up for that difference, but turnout only increased by about 3 million.

So you're missing 6,000,000 votes.

So along the way, someone lied to you about Obama voters choosing Trump, and you believed that lie because it was easier for you to do that instead of thinking critically about it because you lack the ability to think critically about anything, hence why you repeated an obvious lie.

Obama 2012: 65,915,795
Romney 2012: 60,933,504

Clinton 2016: 65,853,514
Trump 2016: 62,984,828

So for this bullshit to make sense, Clinton should have only had 56,000,000 votes instead of 65,000,000 votes, because you're subtracting 9,000,000 from Obama's 2012 total.

That also means Trump's total should have been 69,000,000 votes because he took 9,000,000 votes from Clinton and added them to Romney's total.

Only, Trump got 63,000,000 votes, and Clinton got the same # of votes Obama got.

So none of the actual vote totals match what you're saying.

So that means you're repeating propaganda that confirms your bias because you're not a critical thinker.

Which would mean that nothing you say here has any credibility, and anything you post is immediately suspect as either a lie, or sloppy, hasty bullshit.

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Oh boy, am I glad you typed this bullshit because I can now use it to thoroughly discredit you entirely on these boards as someone who merely repeats propaganda because you're not someone who thinks for yourself.

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First of all, 9 million Obama voters didn't vote for Trump. That's bullshit easily disproved using the actual vote totals.

Clinton got just 60,000 fewer votes in 2016 than Obama got in 2012. So for 9 million Obama voters to have voted for Trump would have meant that Clinton had to replace 9,000,000 voters in the electorate at a rate of 1:1.

It would also mean that of the 59 million votes Romney got in 2012, 9 million of those people either didn't vote, or voted for Clinton. But that would mean that turnout had to increase by 9,000,000 votes to make up for that difference, but turnout only increased by about 3 million.

So you're missing 6,000,000 votes.

So along the way, someone lied to you about Obama voters choosing Trump, and you believed that lie because it was easier for you to do that instead of thinking critically about it because you lack the ability to think critically about anything, hence why you repeated an obvious lie.

And yet you've shown that you don't believe in the Constitution, except for the parts that benefit you; because you are still having a problem with EC result(s) and decision(s).

How un-American and treasonous of you. :good4u:
 
Oh boy, am I glad you typed this bullshit because I can now use it to thoroughly discredit you entirely on these boards as someone who merely repeats propaganda because you're not someone who thinks for yourself.

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First of all, 9 million Obama voters didn't vote for Trump. That's bullshit easily disproved using the actual vote totals.

Clinton got just 60,000 fewer votes in 2016 than Obama got in 2012. So for 9 million Obama voters to have voted for Trump would have meant that Clinton had to replace 9,000,000 voters in the electorate at a rate of 1:1.

It would also mean that of the 59 million votes Romney got in 2012, 9 million of those people either didn't vote, or voted for Clinton. But that would mean that turnout had to increase by 9,000,000 votes to make up for that difference, but turnout only increased by about 3 million.

So you're missing 6,000,000 votes.

So along the way, someone lied to you about Obama voters choosing Trump, and you believed that lie because it was easier for you to do that instead of thinking critically about it because you lack the ability to think critically about anything, hence why you repeated an obvious lie.

That was not my thinking but studies done by many different analysts. Although their numbers vary by 1-2 million, none of the analysts refute these results. I posted numerous links when we had this discussion but you never bothered to learn the explanations.

You overlook the 6 million Romney voters who voted for Hillary, the increase in first-time voters from 9% to 15% (who did not vote in 2012), and the increase in 3rd party voters from 1.5% to 5%.

However, your biggest most obvious error is in turnout. Turnout in 2012 was 129,237,642. 2016 turnout was 137,125,484. The turnout difference was 7,887,842. The turnout was almost 8 million higher--not 3 million. The 7.8 million (5.73%) 3rd party votes explains your missing votes.

Explanations become much easier when you use the correct data. That means someone lied to you, not me.

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/
 
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That was not my thinking but studies done by many different analysts. Although their numbers vary by 1-2 million, none of the analysts refute these results. I posted numerous links when we had this discussion but you never bothered to learn the explanations.

Links you didn't actually read. Links you just regurgitated without reading because they confirm your bias.


You overlook the 6 million Romney voters who voted for Hillary, the increase in first-time voters from 9% to 15% (who did not vote in 2012), and the increase in 3rd party voters from 1.5% to 5%.

Right, but you said Trump got 9,000,000 Obama votes. None of the data you posted actually confirms that. You don't even confirm that here. Clinton got virtually the exact same number of votes Obama got in 2012. Trump got about 2-3 million more votes than Romney got in 2012. So you still haven't solved for how Clinton replaced all the 9,000,000 votes you claim she lost to Trump, nor have you proven that 6,000,000 Romney voters decided to vote for Clinton. That second part is the most bizarre because if a Republican was going to vote for Romney over Obama in 2012, why would that same Republican choose Clinton over Trump in 2016? It makes NO SENSE.

What happened was the same constituents voted for the same people, and Trump managed to get 2 million more white racists to vote for him than for Romney.

Obama voters didn't vote for Trump. That's a load of horseshit, and it doesn't account for the reason or explanation why 6,000,000 Romney voters would suddenly decide to vote for Clinton, after voting against Obama and opposing Obama's policies, which Clinton vowed to continue. That's the only scenario that makes any sense, and it's a scenario you'll have a tough time proving, though it is incumbent on you to prove it.

Your problem, and it's a deeper issue with you that goes beyond just this -like to the tax debate we had too- is that you don't think critically about anything, and you refuse to admit you're ever wrong. The reason is obvious; you know that admitting you're wrong will result in a questioning of the rest of what you say and believe, and you are frankly too much of a coward to confront that about yourself.

So now that we've established your argument is bullshit, we must ask the question as to why you're making this argument in the first place?
 
Right, but you said Trump got 9,000,000 Obama votes. None of the data you posted actually confirms that. You don't even confirm that here. Clinton got virtually the exact same number of votes Obama got in 2012. Trump got about 2-3 million more votes than Romney got in 2012. So you still haven't solved for how Clinton replaced all the 9,000,000 votes you claim she lost to Trump, nor have you proven that 6,000,000 Romney voters decided to vote for Clinton. That second part is the most bizarre because if a Republican was going to vote for Romney over Obama in 2012, why would that same Republican choose Clinton over Trump in 2016? It makes NO SENSE.

You failed to mention the 7.8 million missing votes when you claimed voter turnout was only 3 million higher than in 2012.

The data does not confirm that Trump got between 9-13% of Obama's voters because I already posted all those studies in a previous discussion. I am not going to post them again because you did not read them the first time. But, you claimed those studies could not be accurate because of the "missing" 9 million votes which are explained by the 7.8 million votes you failed to include that went to 3rd party voters in 2016.

Although the exact number of Obama voters who voted for Trump varies by 1-2 million in different studies, they all found about the same results. You tried to prove they were not true by giving incorrect figures for voter turnout--that proves who cannot think critically. When you don't like the facts you try to use phony numbers to disprove them.

Learn to use Google and you can find several studies that showed between about 9-13% of Obama voters supported Trump. That is just how people voted--it is not a partisan issue except for people like yourself who try to frame everything in terms of partisanship (although I don't know how even you see this as a partisan issue).

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/cr...many-obama-2012-trump-2016-voters-were-there/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama-Trump_voters

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...a-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article147475484.html

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/03/durbin-wrong-on-trump-democrats/

"Vote Switching in the 2016 Election: How Racial and Immigration Attitudes, Not Economics, Explain Shifts in White Voting"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qphz9lxy6pxni1k/final_submission_reny_etal_poq_public.pdf?dl=0
 
As to that video that surfaced this week showing Trump telling a graduation class...

Trump to college graduates in 2004: 'If there's a concrete wall in front of you, go through it, go over it, go around'

ALEX LASKER, AOL.COM
Jan 10th 2019 1:28PM



He probably should have mentioned UNDER....

Third suspected drug tunnel discovered near Arizona border


BY CHRIS MILLS RODRIGO - 01/12/19 04:35 PM EST 251 - The HILL
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A tunnel that Mexican authorities suspect was used to transfer drugs and people across the border was discovered this week near Arizona, the third such tunnel found in the past month.

The Arizona Republic first reported Friday on the tunnel near Nogales, Sonora, across from Nogales, Ariz. Mexican Federal Police posted a video of the tunnel earlier this week. The police said in the video that the tunnel was about 32 feet long, but provided limited information beyond that.

It is the third tunnel to be found in a month
amid the partial government shutdown and increased debate over President Trump's proposal to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

A representative from the Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to The Hill's request for comment on Saturday...



https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/425058-third-drug-tunnel-discovered-near-arizona-border








... and The Wall didn't stop it?
 
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