Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?

[domer76]

Trump, Nov. 21, 2015: "

Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering. So something’s going on. We’ve got to find out what it is."

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Here's one.

The Russians are going to hack the 2018 election in favor of the Dems.

There's the latest big lie

Big lie, eh? Well, let’s hope you’re right. It appears the fuss is all about Trump’s tweet, here.

I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!​

I’m looking…

Nope. Can’t see any lies. Is that it?

I’m not sure why anyone would think an ex-KGB communist would want to support Trump. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics had much more in common with the socialist Democrats than a conservative capitalist like Trump.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

The lie about changing the wording to "not."

Never heard of it, and Google hasn’t either, as you can see below.

You made up the fact that Trump was coerced to change the wording.

“Made up” is your petulant description, based on your hurt feelings. Grownups call it “thinking”, so they would say, “You believe that stuff about being coerced…”

If you allege a lie it is up to you to prove it, and you haven’t done that. There are several possibilities:

1) The GOP forced Trump to make the statement, against his wishes.

2) Someone else forced him to make the statement against his wishes.

3) He told the truth.

4) He lied.

You picked number four. I picked number one. If you insist it’s four, prove it. Until you prove he lied he remains innocent of lying according to our basic rule of law.

You have no evidence other than saying it was "obvious" to you which does not make it true. It was not obvious to many others that he was coerced and it is very likely not true.

Did you take a clip board and go door to door across America? Or did you just snuggle up to the Clinton News Network? Regardless, why think with the hive? Wouldn’t you rather think for yourself?

Even if he was coerced, that means he lied when he explained it. And it was with the intent to deceive, which makes it a lie.

So you would say the marine who is forced to say Americans are cowards on camera, is guilty of lying? That’s mighty patriotic of you, but no, the marine is not a liar. He was coerced into lying, which removes the intent all lies have. It's the same if I hold a gun to a mother's young son and tell her to go into a 7-11 and steal some bread. She'll do it, but that doesn't make her a thief, as any court will tell you.

To lie there has to be intent to deceive. The only intent found here belongs to those forcing Trump to make his statement. “Force” removes intent, and when you are told you will lose your job, the most important job in the world, if you refuse to say a few trifling words, it is indeed coercion, or force. In those circumstances ANY POTUS would submit, and do as ordered. Trump may be headstrong and stubborn, but he isn’t a fool. The irony is that if he refused their command and was sacked, you would be criticizing him for not following GOP orders. You’d scoff, “What a loser! Can’t even take a simple order! [snicker, snort]”

​

 

[Mason Michaels]

I finally get this Thread!
It ask for one Trump lie!
With endless lies told.
Near impossible to pick just one!
But I'm game!
He calls Melania his wife,but we all
know it's Ivanka!

 

[crowonapost]

LOL

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Fake News.

You are a shameless quibbler, Larrikin, tryng to "prove" that black is white because your infallible Führer says so.

Trump said repeatedly that he watched as thousands and thousands of people in Jersey City cheered on 9/11.

In an effort to show that Trump wasn't deluded or lying, you cite two pieces of contemporaneous video evidence. First, a clip that many of us have seen, showing a couple of dozen Palestinians celebrating in East Jerusalem until Yasser Arafat put a stop to it:

Second, this:

Muslims Celebrating 9/11 in Europe
https://youtu.be/q-9JpRytCx0

which is a shorter version of the SAME CLIP.


As for the Howard Stern video that you keep bringing up:

American Muslims Celebrating 9/11
https://youtu.be/JCtiwBrWHUc

half the discussion there concerns the so-called Dancing Israelis in a "moving truck", who were assumed at the time to be Arabs but weren't. Check it out.


Thousands and thousands of Muslims cheering in Jersey City? Nope. Even your fellow Trump suckers must be embarrassed at your antics, if they are still capable of thinking straight.

 

[Flash]

Trump said he knew nothing about the $130,000 payment made by Cohen to Stormy. (see video)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9fe3c675a89_story.html?utm_term=.b2a044e393ce

Trump admits in tweet he authorized payment.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607943366/giuliani-says-trump-did-know-about-stormy-daniels-payment

 

[Rob Larrikin]

LOL

For those who can’t read this because they didn’t subscribe, try this link instead. It goes through Google, and they have some kind of deal.

This is a Fake News story published by The Washington Times, entitled, “Trump lies. And lies. And lies.” It was written by a mindless anti-Trump drone. In the second line there is a link to the inspiration for this article, so I’ll go there instead. I’m not in the mood for a Gish Gallop. That link, “this quotation” takes you here, again at the Washington Times.

This article is about Trump’s comment, “What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening,” in regard to Fake News. I dealt with this issue in post #417

The idea of comparing it to Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four was touted by Time Magazine, and Rat Robbersson. My response was as follows:

=====================================Start copy.

If trump said that slavery was freedom then you would believe him.

http://time.com/5347737/trump-quote...irculation&utm_term=68746&utm_content=2269883

Here’s what Time said [emphasis mine]

In his address to the convention in Kansas City, Trump defended his decision to slap tariffs on the U.S.’s trading partners. As Trump told the crowd that “it’s all working out,” he warned those in the audience against believing what they see in the news.

“What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening,” Trump said.

For some, the quote immediately recalled a line from Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984: “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”​

Trump didn’t refer to ‘evidence’, and evidence is not what Fake Media provide. I undid all their lies in this thread by showing they had no evidence to back up their claims. No, Trump isn’t saying, “Reject the evidence,” he’s saying, “Don’t believe Fake News.

The book is called “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, and there was a time when Time would have got that right. No longer though, since it is filled with Trump-hating millennial twerps.

The characters in the story knew they were being fed misinformation. The government would reverse everything. Today’s Fake News is similar to that dystopian world, because they twist the truth around to support their socialist agenda. If a person in that world stood up and tried to tell a crowd that they were all slaves, he would be arrested, tortured and made to say on television that HE was actually the one who wanted to enslave people, and so on. In this case Trump is telling people not to believe what Fake News say about him, and he is quite right to do so. Fake News lie about him every day many times, and twist everything he says around. Naturally, they even tried to twist his words around in this instance, trying to make it sound as though he was like the dystopian government in Nineteen Eighty-Four, telling people to “reject the evidence.”

How pathetic.

======================================End copy.

So who were the dimwits who put together the Washington Post version of this story?

​

James has a Bachelor of Arts in History, which means his head is filled with Environmental claptrap and liberal politics. He's very naughty because he's male and white, and in charge of two girls! Oops! Breanne Deppisch keeps busy with her pretty flowers and notes to herself in Pinterest. Joan Greve is an English teacher who taught in France for a year. Isn’t that sweet? Our three millennial knuckleheads, who think they understand politics and Trump. Where would Fake News be, without kids like these?

 

[Rob Larrikin]

I finally get this Thread!
It ask for one Trump lie!
With endless lies told.
Near impossible to pick just one!
But I'm game!
He calls Melania his wife,but we all
know it's Ivanka!

That comes under humor. See the OP.

Another thing that is not a lie is an exaggeration or a joke. If Trump said, “When you’re a star they let you do it… grab ‘em by the pussy,” this is not him saying he goes around raping women. That is the hysterical Left’s silly translation. Likewise, if he jokingly said, “Man, we’re gonna be the richest country for a million years,” that is not a lie – it is a harmless piece of joking or kidding around.

 

[Mason Michaels]

That comes under humor. See the OP.

Not humor,satire

 

[Rob Larrikin]

You are a shameless quibbler, Larrikin,

Hmm. Quibbler. “Noun. To argue or find fault over trivial matters or minor concerns.”

Mate, I laughed so hard – coffee – nose… It’s 8.08 AM over here. Go easy on the humor. Fake News work very hard to find any trivial or minor fault of Trump’s they can make into a mountain of nothingburgers. If you don’t know that by now there’s little hope for you.

tryng to "prove" that black is white because your infallible Führer says so.

Adolf Hitler was a National Socialist. Trump is a capitalist, the opposite of socialists. Adolf would have hated Trump as much as the socialist Democratic Party does today. Like them, he also hated Jews. Most socialists do. Learn some history and stop reading Fake News.

Trump said repeatedly that he watched as thousands and thousands of people in Jersey City cheered on 9/11.

Which is why you know it’s true. Trump doesn’t lie, as this thread shows.

In an effort to show that Trump wasn't deluded or lying, you cite two pieces of contemporaneous video evidence.

I did more than that. I wrote post #439, explaining how Fake News bury stories like this, and why. You haven’t responded to those points. You ignored them. I also provided a link to this article in the New York Post, which quotes retired Jersey City police Capt. Peter Gallagher, who responded to the scene after numerous 911 calls from outraged residents. Quote [emphasis mine]:

Some Muslims in New Jersey did celebrate the 9/11 terror attacks during rooftop and street parties until they were broken up by the cops, a new report said Monday.

There were at least two celebrations and likely more, with men shouting “Allahu Akbar” and women chanting in Arabic, NJ.com reported.

“Some men were dancing, some held kids on their shoulders,” said retired Jersey City police Capt. Peter Gallagher, who responded to the scene after numerous 911 calls from outraged residents.

“The women were shouting in Arabic and keening in the high-pitched wail of Arabic fashion. They were told to go back to their apartments since a crowd of non-Muslims was gathering on the sidewalk below and we feared for their safety.”

Gallagher said he cleared a rooftop celebration of up to 30 people at 6 Tonnele Ave., a four-story apartment building with a view of Lower Manhattan, after the second tower fell.

Another witness said he saw a celebration on John F. Kennedy Boulevard, a main thoroughfare in the city.

“When I saw they were happy, I was pissed,” said Ron Knight, 56, who also heard cheers of “Allahu Akbar” — “God is great” — from a crowd of about 20 people that morning.

Residents also placed numerous 911 calls complaining about Muslims partying on a rooftop at a third location, three cops told the website.
….
Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop, one of many politicians who blasted Trump after the remarks, still denied that celebrations took place despite the eyewitness accounts.​

Then I provided a link to an article in The Independent, written by Muddassar Ahmed, and the headline reads “I knew Muslims who celebrated 9/11 – 15 years on, they know how naive they were”

I placed the following videos up to view – they have a gap after the “https:” since there is a limit of one vid per post. Place each address in a browser and delete the gap to view:

A video showing Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers on 911.

https: //youtu.be/KrM0dAFsZ8k

American Muslims Celebrating 9/11 - Howard Stern Callers between 9/11/2001 and 9/13/2001:

https: //youtu.be/JCtiwBrWHUc

Another clearer version of four of the callers to Howard Stern with additional info (see description).

https: //youtu.be/1ErS12XaSDE

Muslims Celebrating 9/11 in Europe

https: //youtu.be/q-9JpRytCx0

“Another flick of Muslims celebrating 9/11. And no, it isn't faked. It is well documented the celebrations that occured in Egypt, Detroit, Montreal, Lebanon and Palestine to name a few of Muslim reaction to 9/11.”

Witness: American Muslims Celebrating 9/11

https: //youtu.be/t62Bgtjrs6I
​

First, a clip that many of us have seen, showing a couple of dozen Palestinians celebrating in East Jerusalem until Yasser Arafat put a stop to it

That’s a poor description. You have no idea how many Muslims were celebrating in that place, above, behind, to the sides and deeper in the distance from the camera. You have no idea how many other Muslims across the country did exactly the same thing, and across the Middle East. The vid is an example of what was going on. Only a fool would think it was the ONLY group. Millions of Muslims were ecstatic about 9-11. You know it, I know it, Osama bin Laden knew it and Fake News knows it.

As for the Howard Stern video that you keep bringing up: half the discussion there concerns the so-called Dancing Israelis in a "moving truck", who were assumed at the time to be Arabs but weren't. Check it out.

You check it out. I know what I heard on the tape – I don’t need you to tell me. And anyone who likes can hear it for themselves.

Thousands and thousands of Muslims cheering in Jersey City? Nope.

You’re probably right. We should amend that to tens of thousands. Thousands and thousands doesn’t do it justice. There were millions of Muslims around the world celebrating and we all know it, despite Fake News' best efforts to cover it up.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Hmm. Quibbler. “Noun. To argue or find fault over trivial matters or minor concerns.”

Mate, I laughed so hard – coffee – nose… It’s 8.08 AM over here. Go easy on the humor. Fake News work very hard to find any trivial or minor fault of Trump’s they can make into a mountain of nothingburgers. If you don’t know that by now there’s little hope for you.



Adolf Hitler was a National Socialist. Trump is a capitalist, the opposite of socialists. Adolf would have hated Trump as much as the socialist Democratic Party does today. Like them, he also hated Jews. Most socialists do. Learn some history and stop reading Fake News.



Which is why you know it’s true. Trump doesn’t lie, as this thread shows.



I did more than that. I wrote post #439, explaining how Fake News bury stories like this, and why. You haven’t responded to those points. You ignored them. I also provided a link to this article in the New York Post, which quotes retired Jersey City police Capt. Peter Gallagher, who responded to the scene after numerous 911 calls from outraged residents. Quote [emphasis mine]:

Some Muslims in New Jersey did celebrate the 9/11 terror attacks during rooftop and street parties until they were broken up by the cops, a new report said Monday.

There were at least two celebrations and likely more, with men shouting “Allahu Akbar” and women chanting in Arabic, NJ.com reported.

“Some men were dancing, some held kids on their shoulders,” said retired Jersey City police Capt. Peter Gallagher, who responded to the scene after numerous 911 calls from outraged residents.

“The women were shouting in Arabic and keening in the high-pitched wail of Arabic fashion. They were told to go back to their apartments since a crowd of non-Muslims was gathering on the sidewalk below and we feared for their safety.”

Gallagher said he cleared a rooftop celebration of up to 30 people at 6 Tonnele Ave., a four-story apartment building with a view of Lower Manhattan, after the second tower fell.

Another witness said he saw a celebration on John F. Kennedy Boulevard, a main thoroughfare in the city.

“When I saw they were happy, I was pissed,” said Ron Knight, 56, who also heard cheers of “Allahu Akbar” — “God is great” — from a crowd of about 20 people that morning.

Residents also placed numerous 911 calls complaining about Muslims partying on a rooftop at a third location, three cops told the website.
….
Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop, one of many politicians who blasted Trump after the remarks, still denied that celebrations took place despite the eyewitness accounts.​

Then I provided a link to an article in The Independent, written by Muddassar Ahmed, and the headline reads “I knew Muslims who celebrated 9/11 – 15 years on, they know how naive they were”

I placed the following videos up to view – they have a gap after the “https:” since there is a limit of one vid per post. Place each address in a browser and delete the gap to view:

A video showing Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers on 911.

https: //youtu.be/KrM0dAFsZ8k

American Muslims Celebrating 9/11 - Howard Stern Callers between 9/11/2001 and 9/13/2001:

https: //youtu.be/JCtiwBrWHUc

Another clearer version of four of the callers to Howard Stern with additional info (see description).

https: //youtu.be/1ErS12XaSDE

Muslims Celebrating 9/11 in Europe

https: //youtu.be/q-9JpRytCx0

“Another flick of Muslims celebrating 9/11. And no, it isn't faked. It is well documented the celebrations that occured in Egypt, Detroit, Montreal, Lebanon and Palestine to name a few of Muslim reaction to 9/11.”

Witness: American Muslims Celebrating 9/11

https: //youtu.be/t62Bgtjrs6I
​

That’s a poor description. You have no idea how many Muslims were celebrating in that place, above, behind, to the sides and deeper in the distance from the camera. You have no idea how many other Muslims across the country did exactly the same thing, and across the Middle East. The vid is an example of what was going on. Only a fool would think it was the ONLY group. Millions of Muslims were ecstatic about 9-11. You know it, I know it, Osama bin Laden knew it and Fake News knows it.



You check it out. I know what I heard on the tape – I don’t need you to tell me. And anyone who likes can hear it for themselves.

You’re probably right. We should amend that to tens of thousands. Thousands and thousands doesn’t do it justice. There were millions of Muslims around the world celebrating and we all know it, despite Fake News' best efforts to cover it up.

So we fund al Qaida, al Nusra, ISIS and the Wahabist Islamist Saudis. That'll learn 'em.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Trump said he knew nothing about the $130,000 payment made by Cohen to Stormy. (see video)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9fe3c675a89_story.html?utm_term=.b2a044e393ce

Trump admits in tweet he authorized payment.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607943366/giuliani-says-trump-did-know-about-stormy-daniels-payment

I’ve looked at the information and I still don’t see Trump saying anything about “knowing” that he knew at the time. He was asked if he knew about the payment and he said no. In tweets he was explaining things about that payment. According to Fake News that means he told a lie. Sorry – that doesn’t add up to a lie. Legal matters are often taken care of by lawyers without billionaires being aware of the detail. Here is how it can easily happen:

Scene: Trump apartment. Trump and his lawyer talk over coffee.

Trump: Okay, so what’s happening today?
Lawyer: I just need you to sign this, and this.
Trump: Okay [briefly looks and signs]. Anything else?
Lawyer: Take a look at this – would you like us to go ahead on that?
Trump: [Looks] Yeah, that should be okay.
Lawyer: Fine, I’ll get the paperwork on that organized by next week.
Trump: How about by Friday? I gotta lotta work next week, I’ll be overseas.
Lawyer: Okay, Friday.
Trump: What else?
Lawyer: We have three people threatening to sue. There’s a fat woman who fell over in Mar-a-Lago on the wet tiles.
Trump: The Spanish rhino?
Lawyer: Yup. Also, that hippy who swears you ran over her in your limo in Chicago.
Trump: What a creep. I wasn’t even in Chicago.
Lawyer: I know. We can ignore her, but the rhino we may have to deal with.
Trump: How much?
Lawyer: A hundred grand.
Trump: Nothing you can do?
Lawyer: Not worth the expense.
Trump: Okay, pay the beast.
Lawyer: Will do.
Trump: Anything else?
Lawyer: That woman Daniels.
Trump: Daniels? Daniels? Oh, not that crazy bitch again. I thought you got rid of her.
Lawyer: Sorry Donald – it’s my fault. I made a mistake when I told you to…
Trump: I tell you what, I don’t even want to talk about that lying pig.
Lawyer: Listen, I’ll fix this out of my own pocke…
Trump: I hate these parasites. They give me a stomachache.
Lawyer: I’ll organize to p…
Trump: Look, I don’t want to talk about her again – just make her go away.
Lawyer: Kay. Um, do you…
Trump: I don’t even want to know the details. You sort it out.
Lawyer: Sure.
Trump: And don’t ruin my day by bringing her up again.
Lawyer: Okay.
Trump: I mean it Mike. Never again.
Lawyer: Okay.
Trump: Thanks. Now, its that it for today?
Lawyer: That’s it.
Trump: So long – see you on the golf course in two weeks.
Lawyer: Yup – see you then.

Two months later

Reporter: Did you know about the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels?
Trump: No.
Reporter: Then why did Michael Cohen make this, if there was no truth to the allegations?
Trump: Well, you’ll have to ask Michael Cohen. Michael is my attorney and you’ll have to ask Michael Cohen.
Reporter: Do you know where he got the money to make that payment?
Trump: No, I don’t know.

That night, on phone

Trump: Michael, did you pay that bitch Daniels $130K?
Lawyer: Yes.
Trump: Cos the press are attacking me about it.
Lawyer: What did they say?
Trump: They asked me if I knew about her $130K payment
Lawyer: You didn’t know.
Trump: I know. I had no idea.
Lawyer: What else did they ask?
Trump: About where you got the money to make the payment.
Lawyer: What did you say?
Trump: Said I don’t know. That’s the truth.
Lawyer: It is. I actually paid her from…
Trump: I don’t wanna know. Let’s just forget it, okay?
Lawyer: Okay. Of course Fake News will make a huge nothingburger out of it.
Trump: I’m used to those morons. It’ll be fine.
Lawyer: They’ll call you a liar of course.
Trump: Of course.

 

[Flash]

I’ve looked at the information and I still don’t see Trump saying anything about “knowing” that he knew at the time. He was asked if he knew about the payment and he said no. In tweets he was explaining things about that payment.

If he authorized the payment he obviously knew he made it. Thus, he lied because it was intentional.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Not humor,satire

I stand corrected.

 

[Lesh]

Big lie, eh? Well, let’s hope you’re right. It appears the fuss is all about Trump’s tweet, here.

I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!​

I’m looking…

Nope. Can’t see any lies. Is that it?

I’m not sure why anyone would think an ex-KGB communist would want to support Trump. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics had much more in common with the socialist Democrats than a conservative capitalist like Trump.

Wait. SO there's no evidence to support the lie that the Russians are going to hack the 2018 election and you "hope" it's a lie?

You are the KING of Pretzel Logic

 

[Rob Larrikin]

If he authorized the payment he obviously knew he made it. Thus, he lied because it was intentional.

A manager in Amazon authorizes a check. The owner, Jeff Bezos, playing golf two thousand miles away, has no idea about it. Technically, Bezos authorized the check because he gave the manager permission. In reality though, he has no idea. If asked by a reporter, "Did you know about that payment?" Bezos quite rightfully says no.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

Here's one.

The Russians are going to hack the 2018 election in favor of the Dems.

There's the latest big lie

Big lie, eh? Well, let’s hope you’re right. It appears the fuss is all about Trump’s tweet, here.

I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!​

I’m looking…

Nope. Can’t see any lies. Is that it?

I’m not sure why anyone would think an ex-KGB communist would want to support Trump. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics had much more in common with the socialist Democrats than a conservative capitalist like Trump.

Wait. SO there's no evidence to support the lie that the Russians are going to hack the 2018 election and you "hope" it's a lie?

You are the KING of Pretzel Logic

That logic would qualify you to join these guys in the Washington Post

​

No, I was hoping what you were offering (without having seen it) was a genuine lie, because so far I haven’t seen one. I could never see a Trump lie and yet the Left insisted there were thousands of them. Chains of mountains filled with boulevards of mansions full of first class Trump lies, stuffed into 44 gallon drums ready to pick up, and yet, as I walk down these boulevards, and open up drum after drum, all I find are counterfeit lies.

​

As for Trump, where did he lie? I can’t see one, and if you can, please spell it out.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Adolf Hitler was a National Socialist ... Adolf would have hated Trump as much as the socialist Democratic Party does today.

So you subscribe to that hoary old lie on top of all the others! Well, you're true to form.

Hitler came to power in January 1933 in coalition with the hard-right National Party. In March 1933 he was granted dictatorial powers by the arch-conservative President Hindenburg. The only party to oppose him were the Social Democrats (the Communists had been arrested).

It wasn't because they thought he was a socialist that the nationalists and reactionaries rolled over for him. Unlike you they knew what he was, but they mistakenly thought they could control him.

Trump would have loved him. All those parades and cheering crowds!

You check it out. I know what I heard on the tape – I don’t need you to tell me. And anyone who likes can hear it for themselves.

Starting at 2:30 in that video, the second half of the discussion is all about the so-called Dancing Israelis who at the time were assumed to be Arabs. They weren't, they were Israelis.

Note the mention of "Liberty Park" and a "moving truck". The Dancing Israelis were nominally employed by a removal firm which was a front for the Mossad, and Liberty Park was one of the locations where they were seen "dancing". To this day no one knows why. In any event they were arrested, interrogated and deported. You really should check it out.

I have been arguing about this for years with 9/11 'truthers'. Some of them, in line with traditional far-right thinking, say it proves that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks. To them, as to you, I say: bullshit. It wasn't Israel and it wasn't "Muslims" - a small minority of Islamist fanatics did it.

 

[Rob Larrikin]

So you subscribe to that hoary old lie on top of all the others! Well, you're true to form.

Hitler came to power in January 1933 in coalition with the hard-right National Party. In March 1933 he was granted dictatorial powers by the arch-conservative President Hindenburg. The only party to oppose him were the Social Democrats (the Communists had been arrested).

It wasn't because they thought he was a socialist that the nationalists and reactionaries rolled over for him. Unlike you they knew what he was, but they mistakenly thought they could control him.

Trump would have loved him. All those parades and cheering crowds!

Part I


Hitler’s National Socialist Worker’s Party (The Nazi Party) nationalized factories, took over companies, dictated production to private corporations, set price and wage controls, destroyed large retail outlets, maintained universal health care, placed limits on stock dividends, controlled capital and the means of production. The Socialist label Hitler picked was very deliberately chosen, for very clear reasons.

A common reply to that is that Hitler hated other socialists. So what? Hating other socialists doesn’t cancel out one’s socialism, just as hating other capitalists doesn’t cancel out one’s capitalism. Also, there are many different types of socialists, and many hate each other with a passion. Stalin killed many millions of socialists, as did Mao. Just because the Nazis killed certain socialists is no argument that they themselves weren't socialists. Who says that socialist A can't kill socialist B? It happens throughout modern history.

Others bring up the "outlawing of labor unions", but that is simply evidence the Nazis were central planners. When a central government bans or outlaws any non-violent activity, it is evidence of central planning, not some free market or unregulated society.

Quite often Socialists purge or murder various groups, minorities and races. Hitler did this with Jews, blacks, gypsies, and others. The Soviet Union did the same with different groups, including Jews. Mao purged various groups too, as did Kim.

“In November 1948, Soviet authorities launched a campaign to liquidate what was left of Jewish culture. The leading members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee were arrested. They were charged with treason, bourgeois nationalism and planning to set up a Jewish republic in Crimea to serve American interests. The Museum of Environmental Knowledge of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (established in November 1944) and The Jewish Museum in Vilnius (established at the end of the war) were closed down in 1948. The Historical-Ethnographic Museum of Georgian Jewry, established in 1933, was shut down at the end of 1951.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism

Nazis took over the means of production. Some examples include Junkers Flugzeug.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers

There was the automobile industry:

"Hitler envisioned widespread car ownership as part of the new Germany. He arranged for designer Ferdinand Porsche to draw up plans for the KdF-wagen (Strength Through Joy car), intended to be an automobile that every German citizen could afford."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_germany#Economy

Wage and price controls.

"Göring instituted wage and price controls and restricted the issuance of stock dividends."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_germany#Economy


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