And we have decent people who act as well. Usually with better results than this guy has had.
When seconds count the police are minutes away.
Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin
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And we have decent people who act as well. Usually with better results than this guy has had.
When seconds count the police are minutes away.
Tried and convicted in the media, gotcha. Should he get the death penalty?
How long do you think he should spend in jail? What if it is found he was defending his life? Should he stay in jail because he confronted somebody in a neighborhood that had had robberies of late?
Again, these are questions. I have repeatedly asked how he wasn't in jail, at least that night and until an investigation was fully completed.
However, this guy has been convicted in the eyes of many without any trial.
You should make bumper stickers. Vigilantism: usually better than killing unarmed kids!
Right, you should get bumper stickers.
Only the police can kill people in their defense. Like Amadou Diallo.
It's silly to say that the police always act rightly or to say that nobody else should ever act to deter the victimization of others.
I know that Zimmerman isn't the poster child for good people acting to protect others, but to actually say that nobody should ever confront anybody and that only the police should act is flat stupid.
He's a murderer, Damo. He may have been a well-intentioned murderer, if you want to be charitable, but he's a murderer.
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or kids burning unarmed kids alive....
Right. During those minutes the child could have "escaped" with his life. WTF is wrong with you today?
You could also argue that he appointed himself judge, jury & executioner for the victim.
I know what you're trying to argue; there certainly may be circumstances in the case that make the charge more of a manslaughter than murder 1. But I don't begrudge the public for their reaction.
Got it, no presumption of innocence is possible in your world. You've convicted him, with only part of the evidence and without a trial. At least he hasn't run. Let's see what the Grand Jury and the Special Prosecutor find. It will be helpful to have more than the information we have to make this a better argument.
I still think that if he is charged it will be negligent homicide. He had been trained using the neighborhood watch videos, etc. he knew that following the kid was against the rules and could have negative consequences and played that hand anyway. That endangers others, and because of that somebody died.
Your the only one talking in absolutes, Damo. Not me. Here's an idea: people guilty of nothing but walking down the street should be left alone.
You could, had he not actually been in a physical confrontation with the victim. He hadn't even pulled a gun by that point by all accounts that I've read.
A "judge, jury, & executioner" wouldn't have been in a physical confrontation, he would have shot him without trying to ask what the heck was going on.
And there may even be circumstances that may end up with a jury bringing a "not guilty" verdict. We just don't know, we have a very small part of the story, and almost all of it from one side.
The public reacts, but IMHO people who spend more time paying attention to this stuff (like on this board) shouldn't be so quick to immediately convict based on initial reports, before investigation is concluded, and without a trial. Is it because he is brown that people are so quick to convict? Both sides have had people ready to throw away the key to a jail cell, and he hasn't been before a judge yet.
Presumption of innocence is what we require in a court of law. This isn't a court of law. I know enough to know that George Zimmerman is a murdered. Whether he is a murderer that gets off remains to be seen.
As I earlier, either his use of deadly force was justified under state law or is wasn't. If it was justified, he is immune from prosecution. Negligent homicide doesn't seem to be a possible outcome and it's a pretty weak charge to boot.
When I first heard that tape, I couldn't believe it.
Yes, there is more to this than that tape, but whatever happened that night, Zimmerman is certainly responsible for inviting it to an extent. You're not allowed to stalk someone to the point where they feel cornered, and then use deadly force for whatever happens next.
He created this situation. He has to be held accountable for that if nothing else.
The relevance would be in the reaction of the media to each case. Both are truly awful, one is easily seen as racially motivated, the other could be, but nobody is sure. Only one seems to get national attention.
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Hilarious.
The firestorm on the FL incident was ignited for 2 reasons:
1) Audio that was heard nationally that was as chilling & incriminating as anything anyone has heard in awhile
2) The fact that Zimmerman was NOT arrested for what was apparent to everyone - a crime on at least some level.
This statement is so astute and well reasoned that it deserves to be repeated, despite the fact that Nigel and I have both said virtually the same thing until we are blue in the face.
Yes you are but we play with you anyway.