Zimmerman case analyzed.

[wiseones2cents]

OK. Which hand did Trayvon punch GZ with?

The way I look at it? Zimmerman was the aggressor. Why do I say this? In the tone and language he used to describe TM as an @#$hole and punk! Furthermore he aggressively pursued him(we heard shortness of breath as GZ chased him). It is VERY probable that GZ lunged at TM. Remember TM was on the phone with his GF and had one hand tied up! I wonder where the can of Arizona tea was! GZ didn't want another one to "get away"!

Wait a minute!!!!!I watched the video of Trayvon getting out of the convenience store with a BAG in one hand!!!!! Which hand did he grab GZ with? The one holding the bag or the one holding the phone????

http://www.newser.com/story/146331/v...-at-store.html

Doesn't look good for you GZ!!!

As far as the THC found in his blood?

http://news.yahoo.com/documents-shed...235341368.html

"This kind of level can be seen days after somebody smokes," Kobilinsky said. "If it comes up in the case, I would be surprised. It wouldn't benefit the defense, it wouldn't benefit the prosecution, and if the defense tried to bring it up, the judge would keep it out."

Furthermore.

After analyzing witness statements, I knew that they smelled fishy and full of holes. My guess is the cops went back and re asked them and they couldn't stick to their original story. Doesn't look good for Zimmerman.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...133743219.html

It is difficult to see if he is wearing a bandage on his nose or have black eyes. But he is definitely over weight. Most of the witnesses said the larger man was on top and one said with a white t-shirt.

Regardless of all the he said she said. Even if it was GZ screaming on the bottom "help". Even if he was getting his butt kicked. Does that justify him pulling his fire arm? It is HIGHLY unlikely that a guy that is winning the fight will try to reach for a firearm. How the heck did zimmerman reach for his gun on his back while he is being pinned to the ground and is being straddled and punched "MMA style"? How did he stop TM from getting the gun(assuming he reached for it) after getting his butt kicked by a guy that supposedly over powered him and had him pinned in the first place(a 160lb guy soaking wet).

To me the story doesn't make sense and the death could have been avoidable. It reads something like this. Zimmerman got his butt kicked, and used excessive(lethal) force in a situation where it wasn't warranted.

And that B.S. story from zimmerman's dad about TM saying "your gonna die tonight" is all about daddy zimmerman(as a judge) trying to find a justifiable reason for GZ killing an unarmed kid.

And GZ still has to explain when exactly Trayvon stated. "OK you got it, you got it" Was it before the shots fired? That would be like Trayvon stating he gives up and no need to shoot. Did he say it after the shot? Highly unlikely. TM died instantly from a shot to the chest close range.

If they find GZ used unnecessary force, he could be charged for murder.

 

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Thanks again Capt. Obvious.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

more wild speculation with little basis in fact.

 

[wiseones2cents]

more wild speculation with little basis in fact.

How is that "wild speculation? We know that Trayvon was on the phone when the altercation started. We know he left the store with a brown paper bag with a can of Arizona ice tea. Which hand did he throw the first punch with?

 

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How is that "wild speculation? We know that Trayvon was on the phone when the altercation started. We know he left the store with a brown paper bag with a can of Arizona ice tea. Which hand did he throw the first punch with?

Racists need to defend racists. Don't take it personaly.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

unless there's actual video of the confrontation, nobody is going to know. the reason it's speculation is you're 'assuming' things happened in a certain manner based purely on your desire for zimmerman to be convicted of murder. end of story. both sides are going to spin a story of this episode and a jury of 12 of the stupidest fuckers in florida are going to have to decide who did what. again, pure speculation.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Racists need to defend racists. Don't take it personaly.

and you just need to shut the fuck up. you're as bad as poet with all the 'racist' bullshit.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Thanks again Capt. Obvious.

How is that Captain obvious. Apparently many folks are getting mis-information.

The way I see it is there was a tussle. They grabbed each other(remember TM still had one hand on his cell phone). It went to the floor. GZ may have scrapped his head on the concrete in the melee(The wounds look more like scrapes then bumps). GZ was probably initially on the bottom. Most likely screaming for help. GZ was not that injured in the melee and the adrenalin kicked in. Some how he gained the upper hand. Either from the bottom or on top. I hear a yelp that sounds like the screams of a child(Probably TM). Probably realizing GZ pulled out his gun. And you hear the gun shots.

If GZ's account is correct and TM was saying. "Ok you got it, you got it"(Meaning the gun)? That would mean TM was giving up and GZ shot him in cold blood.

Also if it is true and TM was on the phone with his GF because he was scared? It is highly unlikely he threw the first punch. I'd say zimmerman tried to grab him and got a knock to the nose in the melee.

All I know for sure is that it is clear that GZ's wounds were not life threatening. Nor can he prove he was ever in danger of loosing his life. He definitely used excessive(lethal) force.

 

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and you just need to shut the fuck up. you're as bad as poet with all the 'racist' bullshit.

If there is so much uncertainty, why are you so convinced of Zim's inocence?

If it smells like shit, and looks like shit, and tastes like shit, it is likely shit.

Now, why don't you come over here and shut me up?

 

[wiseones2cents]

unless there's actual video of the confrontation, nobody is going to know. the reason it's speculation is you're 'assuming' things happened in a certain manner based purely on your desire for zimmerman to be convicted of murder. end of story. both sides are going to spin a story of this episode and a jury of 12 of the stupidest fuckers in florida are going to have to decide who did what. again, pure speculation.

I dont think it is speculation. We know he was on the phone with his GF at the time of the confrontation. We know he left the store with a BAG and chose NOT to put the can in his pocket. The only way he could have took it out of the bag was to drink it. Was the can opened or closed? Therefore chances are he had both hands occupied and HIGHLY unlikely he threw the first punch.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

If there is so much uncertainty, why are you so convinced of Zim's inocence?

because the SYG law says he is, unless evidence points to the fact that it doesn't. so far, none of you morons has been able to prove it.

If it smells like shit, and looks like shit, and tastes like shit, it is likely shit.

i guess that makes you a loser racist.

Now, why don't you come over here and shut me up?

look out, interwebz tuffguy.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I dont think it is speculation. We know he was on the phone with his GF at the time of the confrontation. We know he left the store with a BAG and chose NOT to put the can in his pocket. The only way he could have took it out of the bag was to drink it. Was the can opened or closed? Therefore chances are he had both hands occupied and HIGHLY unlikely he threw the first punch.

because nobody ever decides to drop anything when starting a fight......is that really the story you'd present to a jury?

 

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because the SYG law says he is, unless evidence points to the fact that it doesn't. so far, none of you morons has been able to prove it.

Yet Travon didn't get that courtesy from Zim, did he, hack?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Yet Travon didn't get that courtesy from Zim, did he, hack?

and you can blame that little bit of oversight on the state of florida for denying 18-21 year olds their right to bear arms for self defense.

 

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It is VERY probable that GZ lunged at TM.

No it's not. you have zero evidence to back up this assertion. How many others had zimmerman tried to apprehend in the past did he lunge at? It's much more probable that the criminal trayvon attacked someone who wasn't committing a crime. We have actual evidence for that, unlike your baseless assertion.

Wait a minute!!!!!I watched the video of Trayvon getting out of the convenience store with a BAG in one hand!!!!! Which hand did he grab GZ with? The one holding the bag or the one holding the phone????

He could have easily dropped the bag. Especially when you get into a criminal rage. Was the bag still in his cold dead hands? I don't think so.

It is difficult to see if he is wearing a bandage on his nose or have black eyes. But he is definitely over weight. Most of the witnesses said the larger man was on top and one said with a white t-shirt.

Doesn't fit the story. Zimmerman had gashes on the back of his head. He was clearly on his back. He was clearly being criminally assaulted.

Regardless of all the he said she said. Even if it was GZ screaming on the bottom "help". Even if he was getting his butt kicked. Does that justify him pulling his fire arm?

Yes it does, especially in florida. But I am glad we are getting down to the real meat of this whole zimmerman ideal. Ive said it before, liberals and trayvon defenders don't believe in the right of self defense. One could be being criminally assaulted, on their back, suffering head injuries, and they are expected to take it.

It is HIGHLY unlikely that a guy that is winning the fight will try to reach for a firearm.

Please demonstate the evidence you have that one criminally assaulting another is highly unlikely to go for a gun. Frankly I think if you are capable of jumping a man in the street, you most definitely are capable for going for their gun. You have zero evidence to back up your assertion. Zero.

How the heck did zimmerman reach for his gun on his back while he is being pinned to the ground and is being straddled and punched "MMA style"?

Clearly he found an opening, while the criminal trayvon was focusing on his head giving him black eyes.

How did he stop TM from getting the gun(assuming he reached for it) after getting his butt kicked by a guy that supposedly over powered him and had him pinned in the first place(a 160lb guy soaking wet).

Guns are probably more easily retrievable for the person carrying the gun.

To me the story doesn't make sense and the death could have been avoidable.

I agree, if only the criminal trayvon did not jump zimmerman and physically assault zimmerman (who was not doing a crime by following him), this altercation would never have happend.

It reads something like this. Zimmerman got his butt kicked, and used excessive(lethal) force in a situation where it wasn't warranted.

Being on the ground, on your back, and suffering head injuries is more than enough justification to shoot someone that is criminally assaulting you.

And that B.S. story from zimmerman's dad about TM saying "your gonna die tonight" is all about daddy zimmerman(as a judge) trying to find a justifiable reason for GZ killing an unarmed kid.

It could very well be true. I love how you invent all this conjecture for trayvon but you immediately dismiss anything the zimmerman camp says.

 

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The way I see it is there was a tussle. They grabbed each other(remember TM still had one hand on his cell phone). It went to the floor. GZ may have scrapped his head on the concrete in the melee(The wounds look more like scrapes then bumps). GZ was probably initially on the bottom. Most likely screaming for help. GZ was not that injured in the melee and the adrenalin kicked in. Some how he gained the upper hand. Either from the bottom or on top. I hear a yelp that sounds like the screams of a child(Probably TM). Probably realizing GZ pulled out his gun. And you hear the gun shots.

you are just making stuff up, you have zero evidence to base these assertions on. I find it pathetic you have to go to such lengths to create this tangled web of lies and conjecture. How about you base your opinions on facts and evidence, rather than what you want the story to actually be? Maybe it's time you start admitting that trayvon martin acted criminally, and was the true agressor, there is far more evidence for that line.

Also if it is true and TM was on the phone with his GF because he was scared? It is highly unlikely he threw the first punch.

PROVE THIS STATEMENT. The kid is an athlete, a football player, a trackstar. And a teenager. There is NO reason to suggest he's unlikely to throw the first punch. In fact, all the evidence points to it, because zimmerman was clearly hit. Is there any evidence that trayvon retained injuries relating to a fist fight?

I'd say zimmerman tried to grab him and got a knock to the nose in the melee.

ZERO evidence for this.

All I know for sure is that it is clear that GZ's wounds were not life threatening.

head injuries are always life threatening. And in the moment you can't be expected to do a raw calculation of your survival chances. If you are on your back being criminally assaulted, you may only have moments to make the decision to shoot the assailant.

Nor can he prove he was ever in danger of loosing his life.

Well that's not how the law works. The burden of proof is on the prosecution that he was definitively not in danger. Not the other way around.

He definitely used excessive(lethal) force.

Open question

 

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you guys do realize the state bears the burden of proof and that it is beyond a reasonable doubt.

face it...all we have is speculation. supposedly there is more information that will come out at trial. claiming he is guilty or innocent at this point is beyond stupid. you idiots do a injustice to the presumption of innocence we enjoy in this country.

 

[wiseones2cents]

because nobody ever decides to drop anything when starting a fight......is that really the story you'd present to a jury?

Oh ok. I'm on the phone with my GF and have a bag or can of pop on the other hand and I drop both things and start a fight? Is that really your story you'd present to the judge? If you recall, the initial altercation according to the account by TM's gf is that there was pushing involved. That would be pretty difficult for TM if his hands were full.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin

Martin's girlfriend said that he described a man as "crazy and creepy", who was on the phone watching him from a vehicle, before the man started following him. The friend said that she told Martin to run to the townhouse, where he was staying with his father and the father's girlfriend. She said that Martin told her that he had lost the man and then noticed he was being pursued again. She then heard Martin say "What are you following me for?" followed by a man's voice responding "What are you doing around here?" She said that she heard the sound of pushing and then heard Martin say what sounded like "get off, get off", and the call ended. She attempted to call him back immediately, but was unable to reach him.

Sounds like he was stalking him and Trayvon was trying to avoid confrontation. They met and pushing ensued(while TM was still on the phone). Who was the aggressor?

The "get off, get off" seems to be added later and wasn't in the initial testimony. Could be made up.

 

[wiseones2cents]

No it's not. you have zero evidence to back up this assertion. How many others had zimmerman tried to apprehend in the past did he lunge at? It's much more probable that the criminal trayvon attacked someone who wasn't committing a crime. We have actual evidence for that, unlike your baseless assertion.

I have enough evidence. I have GZ calling Trayvon an asshole and a punk on tape. I have GZ stating that they "always get away" on tape. I have GZ aggressively pursuing TM on tape.(This shows his mind set). Not to mention the other factors I presented previously on racial profiling. I have phone records backing the gf's account that they were on the phone when the altercation begun. I have video evidence of TM leaving the store with a bag in his hand. We have the GF stating that there was pushing before the first punch(if there was any at all) was thrown.

Now if we can prove that Trayvon had his hands full, that spells bad news for GZ. Also considering the circumstances and evidence I presented? It seems that GZ was the aggressor and TM was trying to avoid confrontation.

He could have easily dropped the bag. Especially when you get into a criminal rage. Was the bag still in his cold dead hands? I don't think so.

He didn't sound like a guy in a "criminal rage" but a scared teenager trying to make it home! But nice try!

Didn't see a bag at the scene. Just a can on the body bag!

Doesn't fit the story. Zimmerman had gashes on the back of his head. He was clearly on his back. He was clearly being criminally assaulted.

Exactly. Since GZ was the one wearing the light shirt! GZ may have gained the upper hand eventually. He is the larger of the two.

He was clearly getting his butt kicked. That doesn't mean TM initiated the fight.

Yes it does, especially in florida. But I am glad we are getting down to the real meat of this whole zimmerman ideal. Ive said it before, liberals and trayvon defenders don't believe in the right of self defense. One could be being criminally assaulted, on their back, suffering head injuries, and they are expected to take it.

If it were a black guy on bottom, you hicks would be singing a different tune!

Self defense does not mean taking someones life when you are in no life threatening danger. Did you hear about the blackguy that shot a pedestrian from a car with a shotgun because he was waving his fists?

Please demonstate the evidence you have that one criminally assaulting another is highly unlikely to go for a gun. Frankly I think if you are capable of jumping a man in the street, you most definitely are capable for going for their gun. You have zero evidence to back up your assertion. Zero.

Jumping a man in the street? He was being STALKED by GZ! I'd have my guard up also! If anything he was trying to evade confrontation. GZ on the other hand was aggressively pursuing TM! Your picture you paint is void of the facts.

Clearly he found an opening, while the criminal trayvon was focusing on his head giving him black eyes.

Ummm the black eyes were from the swelling(supposedly) from the broken nose! I do not think TM landed one punch on the ground!

Guns are probably more easily retrievable for the person carrying the gun.

True but if you were getting punched MMA style, you would be too delirious to see TM reaching for the gun before it was too late. It is clear GZ reached for the gun.

I agree, if only the criminal trayvon did not jump zimmerman and physically assault zimmerman (who was not doing a crime by following him), this altercation would never have happend.

According to ALL the legal enforcement involved? If GZ had listened to the dispatcher and not STALKED TM and stayed in his vehicle, the kid would still be alive today!

Being on the ground, on your back, and suffering head injuries is more than enough justification to shoot someone that is criminally assaulting you.

Really?Is it legal to stalk someone in Florida? Is it justified if the shooter starts the altercation and then gets his butt kicked? Some how I can see much abuse to your beliefs. I'll just carry a gun and provoke someone. As soon as they harm me I shoot them dead!

It could very well be true. I love how you invent all this conjecture for trayvon but you immediately dismiss anything the zimmerman camp says.

Nope. I am pretty fair on both sides. I know bullshit when I hear it.

 

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more wild speculation with little basis in fact.

Calling that pile of shit, wild speculation, is much too kind......lol....but it is laughable....