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YouTube- Columbia Mo SWAT Raid 2/11/2010. Cops Shoot Pets With Children Present

It might hurt to watch. I could not get past the dog squealing. The poor thing. And they actually got the right house in this one.

A video of SOME of the money that has been confiscated, that mj smokers willingly contribute to the black market and in turn create suffering and death for others.

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If those who smoke mj really cared about those they cause death and suffering to; they would take that money and instead of using it on the black market, they would help some of the people they have already harmed.
But that would mean they would have to actually care.

Why are mj users so self centered that they care nothing about the death and suffering they are causing others??

The blood is on the hands of those who support the black market.
 
The fact that you think like this, is one of the reasons your cognitive skills are sorely in need of restructuring; but I will leave the bootlicking up to you, seeing as how you do seem to excel at it.

And yet you can't cite one problem with my points. You just hurl ad homs, repeat your ignorant assertions without any argument in support and insist on digging yourself a deeper hole.

My comments have been towards your stupid attempts to equate your smoking of mj, as being on the same level as the Civil Rights movements of the 60's and 70's. The fact that this disturbs you, means that maybe you're finally understanding that you're attempts have failed miserably.

Straw man. There is no attempt to compare this cause to the civil rights movement or the 60s-70s. Again, I gave several examples that have nothing to do with either of those.

The comparison is between your attempts to control others and those of the past. Both result in death and it is the oppressive control freaks that are responsible for the deaths, not those who resisted the unjust laws.

You are trying to divert attention with a straw man, that is intended to make it seem that I am comparing the injustice of those laws with the injustice of mj laws. Why do you think anyone is going to buy that when I repeatedly state that they are not on the same level?

Sorry; but the violence continues because those who deal with the black market care nothing about the violence and suffering they are contributing to.
If people would stop buying mj on the black market, then the black market would go away; but people like you, only care about themselves and their ability to get high.

Yes, if everybody would just obey your irrational demands then we could all just get along. but... :321: to the terrorists.

You're in error again; because there has been nothing in my posts that hinted that those who fight for their civil rights are being stubborn.
Smoking mj is not a civil right, no matter how many times you say it.

I gave you lots of other examples that you continue to avoid. Further, you have failed to show why resistance to unjust laws that infringe upon "civil rights" are different. You are just trying to use the label without explaining why it matters to your point. Okay, mj is not a "civil right", how does that change the resulting damage you cause by trying to force your will on others? How does that significantly change the nature of the damage caused as people started resisting the unjust laws in the civil rights movement? Is it okay to resist a law if violates a civil right? What is the test of a civil right?

Since you have now shown that you voluntarily contributed to the black market, how does it feel to be someone who has a direct responsiblity for the suffering and death's you have supported?
Meet is not illegal, mj is.

If meat were illegal who would be responsible for the black market deaths that would result? The meat eaters or the PETA nuts?

What part of illegal are you unable to understand??
Those who smoke mj are directly responsible for the deaths and suffering that the black market causes.
Why do those who smoke mj care nothing about the people they harm and only are concerned about themselves.
The blood is on the hands of those like RShithead, who only care about supporting the black market.

I understand Osama, if those women would just put on the veil there would be no problem. You keep telling yourself that that absolves you of your guilt, you murderous scumbag. Maybe with enough repetition you will actually believe it.
 
But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but consuming alcohol is legal and there is no wide spread movement to ban it; therefore your strawman just caught fire.

People like RShithead don't care about the suffering and death; because they only want to use their mj and they willingly support the black market.

There was a lot of death and violence during prohibition, while sensible Americans continued to drink, owing to the fact that the 18th Amendment and the Volstead Act were retarded. Eventually, after bitching about it for a while, the 21st Amendment was passed.

I personally don't give a shit about suffering and death, because neither has anything to do with liberty, and everything to do with tyranny. I plan never to use marijuana, nor any hallucinigents or narcotics in my lifetime, even if they properly become legalized, because they are for proles. I am going out to go drinking in just a few minutes, though...
 
And yet you can't cite one problem with my points. You just hurl ad homs, repeat your ignorant assertions without any argument in support and insist on digging yourself a deeper hole.



Straw man. There is no attempt to compare this cause to the civil rights movement or the 60s-70s. Again, I gave several examples that have nothing to do with either of those.

The comparison is between your attempts to control others and those of the past. Both result in death and it is the oppressive control freaks that are responsible for the deaths, not those who resisted the unjust laws.

You are trying to divert attention with a straw man, that is intended to make it seem that I am comparing the injustice of those laws with the injustice of mj laws. Why do you think anyone is going to buy that when I repeatedly state that they are not on the same level?



Yes, if everybody would just obey your irrational demands then we could all just get along. but... :321: to the terrorists.



I gave you lots of other examples that you continue to avoid. Further, you have failed to show why resistance to unjust laws that infringe upon "civil rights" are different. You are just trying to use the label without explaining why it matters to your point. Okay, mj is not a "civil right", how does that change the resulting damage you cause by trying to force your will on others? How does that significantly change the nature of the damage caused as people started resisting the unjust laws in the civil rights movement? Is it okay to resist a law if violates a civil right? What is the test of a civil right?



If meat were illegal who would be responsible for the black market deaths that would result? The meat eaters or the PETA nuts?



I understand Osama, if those women would just put on the veil there would be no problem. You keep telling yourself that that absolves you of your guilt, you murderous scumbag. Maybe with enough repetition you will actually believe it.

Oh-but I've made plenty of posts showing problems with your posts.
One of them is that you keep trying to make this a civil rights issue and trying to place it on the same scale as what occured during the 60's and 70's; but this isn't a civil rights issue and your attempts have failed miserably.
Meet and alcohol are not banned items.
The fact that you're looking up from the bottom of the well, does not mean that I'm in a hole looking down.

Yes you did attempt to make this appear to be on the same level as the Civil Rights movement. The fact you failed does not take away your attempt.

I'm not trying to control anyone and I challange you to show how you came to this comparison. At least your attempt to show the correlation will provide some amusement.
I see you still refuse to take responsiblity for the death and suffering that the mj users have caused; because of their dealings with the black market.

The unjust laws you speak of, were used to regulate a segment of the population to that of subhumans.
You not being able to smoke mj, does not make you a subhuman.
Again your attempt to make these issues equal, are pathetic and denigrating to those who suffered during the 60's and 70's.

If you want people to believe you, then you have to stop trying to present them as being equal. The fault of this lies with you and not on this end.

The black market terrorists are the ones that you and others are supporting. By doing so, you are responsible for the death and suffering that has occured.

First you agree that it's not a civil right and then you again try to make it a civil right issue.
Being able to smoke mj is not a civil rights issue and your civil rights are not being violated; therefore, you've just set one of your own strawmen on fire.

Since meat is not illegal, this is a strawman assertion in an attempt to spin this to where you feel more comfortable. You have failed - again.

You are the only one that has mentioned veils, so this is an argument you're going to have to have with yourself; because it never originated from any of my posts.
I understand why you want to blame others and it's because you cringe from the fact that it's those that are buying mj on the black market that are responsible for the deaths and suffering that has and is occuring.

Why do users of mj only care about themselves and are not willing to see the suffering and deaths that they have caused and are causing with their dealings in the black market?

The blood is on your hands, RShithead. Make sure you wash them, before you roll that joint.
 
A video of SOME of the money that has been confiscated, that mj smokers willingly contribute to the black market and in turn create suffering and death for others.

The goal is to legalize it so that reputable suppliers may earn the money from voluntary and peaceful trade.

If drug terrorists really cared, first they would stop stealing money from taxpayers in the hopes of forcing others to bend to their will. The drug terrorists could then take their OWN money and repair the families they have destroyed, many of them completely innocent of violating the irrational dictates of the drug terrorists. Once they are done paying off that bill they could use their OWN money to try to convince people not to use mj through peaceful methods.

But the drug terrorists are all about control. Getting others to stop using drugs is not even that important to them. They just want others to obey them. They hold the innocent bystanders and taxpayers as hostages to their sick and twisted need to control.

You can't even tell us what state interest the law serves other than enforcing the will of the majority, regardless of how irrational that will may be.
 
The goal is to legalize it so that reputable suppliers may earn the money from voluntary and peaceful trade.

If drug terrorists really cared, first they would stop stealing money from taxpayers in the hopes of forcing others to bend to their will. The drug terrorists could then take their OWN money and repair the families they have destroyed, many of them completely innocent of violating the irrational dictates of the drug terrorists. Once they are done paying off that bill they could use their OWN money to try to convince people not to use mj through peaceful methods.

But the drug terrorists are all about control. Getting others to stop using drugs is not even that important to them. They just want others to obey them. They hold the innocent bystanders and taxpayers as hostages to their sick and twisted need to control.

You can't even tell us what state interest the law serves other than enforcing the will of the majority, regardless of how irrational that will may be.

I agree; but where's the organized effort to make it happen.
Buying from the black market and then smoking it at home, isn't going to change anything.
Where are the thousands or 10's of thousands of protesters, marching to get their point across?
Therein lies the problem. There is no concentrated effort to do anythng; but yet, people will sit around and complain about how many people have been arrested.
Maybe they intended to start something big; but then got stoned and forgot.

Since the drug terrorists are those supporting the black market and fueling the suffering and death that results, I agree with you on this one. Now if only those drug terrorists would stop supporting the black market, maybe the suffering and deaths would make a dramatic drop.

The will of the people is that mj remain illegal and until that changes; your hands will remain bloody and the responsiblity will remain with those who continue to support the black market and by doing so, cause the suffering and deaths of so many.
 
Oh-but I've made plenty of posts showing problems with your posts.
One of them is that you keep trying to make this a civil rights issue and trying to place it on the same scale as what occured during the 60's and 70's; but this isn't a civil rights issue and your attempts have failed miserably.
Meet and alcohol are not banned items.

:palm:

I have stated over and over again that it is not on the same level as the injustice done to blacks prior to the civil rights movement. I even said it's not the most unjust state action right now.

I have given several examples that had nothing to do with civil rights or the period that you continue to dishonestly claim I am trying to tie this to. Alcohol prohibition is the best comparison.

I'm not trying to control anyone and I challange you to show how you came to this comparison. At least your attempt to show the correlation will provide some amusement.

Yeah, the drug war terrorists are trying to control the actions of others.

I see you still refuse to take responsiblity for the death and suffering that the mj users have caused; because of their dealings with the black market.

The unjust laws you speak of, were used to regulate a segment of the population to that of subhumans.
You not being able to smoke mj, does not make you a subhuman.
Again your attempt to make these issues equal, are pathetic and denigrating to those who suffered during the 60's and 70's.

Trying to lock me up, sending people after me to shoot, beat, kill my dog, terrorize my children and violate the sanctity of my home is an attempt to reduce me to subhuman.

It's no different than what happened under the law challenged in the Lawrence case. The homos could have just abstained. But how does there choice not to justify imprisoning them.

If you want people to believe you, then you have to stop trying to present them as being equal. The fault of this lies with you and not on this end.

Again, what is equal is the terrorists attempts to control.

The black market terrorists are the ones that you and others are supporting. By doing so, you are responsible for the death and suffering that has occured.

First you agree that it's not a civil right and then you again try to make it a civil right issue.

Where? I asked you to explain why it mattered.


Being able to smoke mj is not a civil rights issue and your civil rights are not being violated; therefore, you've just set one of your own strawmen on fire.

Civil rights, human right, whatever. Please, define your term. You cannot. You are just playing games with the words much like your retarded brothers do on with marriage.

Since meat is not illegal, this is a strawman assertion in an attempt to spin this to where you feel more comfortable. You have failed - again.

It's not a straw man. You, apparently, do not know what a straw man is. I did not claim that you wanted to outlaw meat (you spelled it right... once) or that it was currently. I claimed that outlawing meat would result in a black market in meat and deaths and then asked who would be responsible for the deaths.

You are the only one that has mentioned veils, so this is an argument you're going to have to have with yourself; because it never originated from any of my posts.

Again, it's another example of someone irrationally demanding that another follow their demands and then blaming the victims when they inevitably resist. How is your demand that people not smoke pot different than the demand that someone wear a veil? It was law in Taliban controlled Afghanistan. Terrorists, like yourself, then used violence to force compliance. Were the victims of that violence responsible?

I understand why you want to blame others and it's because you cringe from the fact that it's those that are buying mj on the black market that are responsible for the deaths and suffering that has and is occuring.

Why do users of mj only care about themselves and are not willing to see the suffering and deaths that they have caused and are causing with their dealings in the black market?

The blood is on your hands, RShithead. Make sure you wash them, before you roll that joint.

The blood is on your hands Osama. Your only response will be to continue with your straw man, where you misrepresent my examples as trying to connect to civil rights movement while completely ignoring the examples that have nothing to do with that movement in the US.

The fact that a law exists is not justification for the law itself. Unjust and irrational laws will inevitably meet resistance. History is full of examples and they don't all come from the 60s-70s or the civil rights movement. As the resistance grows it inevitably leads to damage. The damage is not caused by the resistance but those who attempt to control.
 
Dumbfuck USFREEDOM911... The blood is on the hands of the idiots who create the black markets and DEMAND that violence be a part of the market.

You are an idiot and you are way out of your league.

I'd have to agree with you on this one RStringfield.

Again,,, if you can believe that.

Maybe one of us should post one of the heads of the children in Mexico that recently got cut off.

But,,, you know, he really doesn't care about obvious facts.
 
Oh-but I've made plenty of posts showing problems with your posts.
One of them is that you keep trying to make this a civil rights issue and trying to place it on the same scale as what occured during the 60's and 70's; but this isn't a civil rights issue and your attempts have failed miserably.
Meet and alcohol are not banned items.
The fact that you're looking up from the bottom of the well, does not mean that I'm in a hole looking down.

Yes you did attempt to make this appear to be on the same level as the Civil Rights movement. The fact you failed does not take away your attempt.

I'm not trying to control anyone and I challange you to show how you came to this comparison. At least your attempt to show the correlation will provide some amusement.
I see you still refuse to take responsiblity for the death and suffering that the mj users have caused; because of their dealings with the black market.

The unjust laws you speak of, were used to regulate a segment of the population to that of subhumans.
You not being able to smoke mj, does not make you a subhuman.
Again your attempt to make these issues equal, are pathetic and denigrating to those who suffered during the 60's and 70's.

If you want people to believe you, then you have to stop trying to present them as being equal. The fault of this lies with you and not on this end.

The black market terrorists are the ones that you and others are supporting. By doing so, you are responsible for the death and suffering that has occured.

First you agree that it's not a civil right and then you again try to make it a civil right issue.
Being able to smoke mj is not a civil rights issue and your civil rights are not being violated; therefore, you've just set one of your own strawmen on fire.

Since meat is not illegal, this is a strawman assertion in an attempt to spin this to where you feel more comfortable. You have failed - again.

You are the only one that has mentioned veils, so this is an argument you're going to have to have with yourself; because it never originated from any of my posts.
I understand why you want to blame others and it's because you cringe from the fact that it's those that are buying mj on the black market that are responsible for the deaths and suffering that has and is occuring.

Why do users of mj only care about themselves and are not willing to see the suffering and deaths that they have caused and are causing with their dealings in the black market?

The blood is on your hands, RShithead. Make sure you wash them, before you roll that joint.



:palm:

I have stated over and over again that it is not on the same level as the injustice done to blacks prior to the civil rights movement. I even said it's not the most unjust state action right now.

And yet you keep trying to equate it to civil rights and it's not.

[quoteI have given several examples that had nothing to do with civil rights or the period that you continue to dishonestly claim I am trying to tie this to. Alcohol prohibition is the best comparison.[/quote]

You mean like meat and alcohol; which are legal are therefore have nothing to do with an illegal substance.
Alcohol is no longer a prohibition item.

Yeah, the drug war terrorists are trying to control the actions of others.
Which means that the mj users who are funding the black market are the terrorists.
I kniew you would eventually get this. :good4u:

Trying to lock me up, sending people after me to shoot, beat, kill my dog, terrorize my children and violate the sanctity of my home is an attempt to reduce me to subhuman.
You're put putting yourself in that catagory, by CHOOSING to break the law.
First you say that it hasn't anything to do with the civil rights movement and then after I show you how the movement was to get laws changed that treated people as subhumans, you try to once again equate this with the civil rights movement.
you really need to make up your mind.

{quote]It's no different than what happened under the law challenged in the Lawrence case. The homos could have just abstained. But how does there choice not to justify imprisoning them.[/quote]
So now you're trying to say that homosexuality is a CHOICE, the same as CHOOSING to smoke mj??
Your examples are becoming really sad. :palm:

Again, what is equal is the terrorists attempts to control.
Then tell your mj smoking terrorists friends to stop funding the death's and suffering caused by their support of the black market.



Where? I asked you to explain why it mattered.
Right there!! And I did.




Civil rights, human right, whatever. Please, define your term. You cannot. You are just playing games with the words much like your retarded brothers do on with marriage.
It appears that you've just admitted that you have no idea what Civil Rights mean; unless you want to clarity your disjointed query


I
t's not a straw man. You, apparently, do not know what a straw man is. I did not claim that you wanted to outlaw meat (you spelled it right... once) or that it was currently. I claimed that outlawing meat would result in a black market in meat and deaths and then asked who would be responsible for the deaths.
I"ve explained before, that it's a strawman argument; because you're wanting to compare apples and oranges, while trying to create lemons.
You're trying to use a mad up example, in an attempt to justify your dismissal of an existing law.
Major failure on your part.

Again, it's another example of someone irrationally demanding that another follow their demands and then blaming the victims when they inevitably resist. How is your demand that people not smoke pot different than the demand that someone wear a veil? It was law in Taliban controlled Afghanistan. Terrorists, like yourself, then used violence to force compliance. Were the victims of that violence responsible?
You make yourself and others victims; because you CHOOSE to go down that path.
No one is forcing you to smoke mj and it's not a necessity for you.
The rest is just another strawman argument; because the US is not Afghanistan.
Really pathetic, on your part, to attempt to make the comparison.


The blood is on your hands Osama. Your only response will be to continue with your straw man, where you misrepresent my examples as trying to connect to civil rights movement while completely ignoring the examples that have nothing to do with that movement in the US.

The guilt of the blood shed falls directly on you, RShithead; because of your support of the death and sorrow that comes as a result of the black market that you use.

The fact that a law exists is not justification for the law itself. Unjust and irrational laws will inevitably meet resistance. History is full of examples and they don't all come from the 60s-70s or the civil rights movement. As the resistance grows it inevitably leads to damage. The damage is not caused by the resistance but those who attempt to control.

And now you're back to using the Civil Rights movement, which you said you weren't doing; but yet keep returning to. :palm:
You're not showing RESISTANCE, by buying from a dealer and then hiding in your home to smoke it.

Where are the staged massive protests?
Where are the marches against the laws?
Where is the public disobediance?

Getting arrested, going to jail, and then crying about the consequences, is not resistance. It's asinine.

Using your logic, it's not the speeders fault they were going to fast; it's the fault of the those who passed the speed limit laws.

You've completely destroyed yourself, in every one of your attempts to defend yourself.

You really need to seek professional help.
 
unfreedumb...

All you do is continue to repeat your dumbfuck evasions. You lost.

Alcohol is not illegal now. It was. The prohibition of it lead to death. Meat is not illegal now in the US. There have been black markets here and there are those abroad that have lead to damage. The damage is done by idiots like yourself, the temperance movement and Chavez. Chavez is a little less stupid than you and the temperance league.


You're put putting yourself in that catagory, by CHOOSING to break the law.
First you say that it hasn't anything to do with the civil rights movement and then after I show you how the movement was to get laws changed that treated people as subhumans, you try to once again equate this with the civil rights movement.

Those accused are treated as subhumans. Do you wish to deny that what is seen in the Columbia, Mo raid, and thousands just like it, is not a restraint on their liberty, that it does not treat them as subhuman?

So now you're trying to say that homosexuality is a CHOICE, the same as CHOOSING to smoke mj??

Engaging in a homosexual act is a choice, the same as choosing to smoke MJ. Do you believe there is some sort of force that makes you suck dicks? You prefer dicks to chicks, whether that is a choice, I don't know or care. I prefer mj to alcohol. I don't have to smoke a joint just like you don't have to suck dick. But why should the state stop us?

Since you insist on using ad homs as part of your discussion of the topic, I will do the same.

Right there!! And I did.

You did not.

It appears that you've just admitted that you have no idea what Civil Rights mean; unless you want to clarity your disjointed query

Another evasion. I have a definition of "civil right." I am asking for yours, since you seem to believe that it is so critical to the discussion. You are trying to use this label, narrowly defining it, the same way Ditzy and the rest try to use "marriage." At least they are not too chicken shit to give their definition.


I"ve explained before, that it's a strawman argument; because you're wanting to compare apples and oranges, while trying to create lemons.
You're trying to use a mad up example, in an attempt to justify your dismissal of an existing law.

It's not a made up example. There are black markets in meat due to dictatorial attempts to control others. You also continue to ignore the damage done by alcohol prohibition. I know it's not illegal, dumbfuck. Making it illegal leads to the same sort of results. It is a major failure on your part to continue evading the results of prohibition.

You make yourself and others victims; because you CHOOSE to go down that path.
No one is forcing you to smoke mj and it's not a necessity for you.
The rest is just another strawman argument; because the US is not Afghanistan.
Really pathetic, on your part, to attempt to make the comparison.

What is pathetic is your continued attempts to dismiss the examples of prohibition. You are not forced to suck dicks. Blacks were not forced to sit at the front of the bus, to eat at white lunch counters, drink from white lunch counters or to marry to outside of their race. Women in Afghanistan were not forced to go outside without a veil. They all chose these actions and there is no legitimate reason for the sta/majority will to restrain them. When the state did attempt to restrain them there was damage in many cases, including death. It is the terrorists who use force to try to compel the actions of others who are responsible. That's you.


And now you're back to using the Civil Rights movement, which you said you weren't doing; but yet keep returning to. :palm:

Another lie and misrepresentation by you. The civil rights movement and the 60s/70s has not been used exclusively. I have used it because it contains the same common, the state/majority trying to force it's will on to others without just cause.

You're not showing RESISTANCE, by buying from a dealer and then hiding in your home to smoke it.

The Loving left Virginia to marry and hoped not to be molested by the law. They were not trying to make precedent. Lawrence and his partner were not trying to make precedent either. All disobeyed the laws.

Where are the staged massive protests?
Where are the marches against the laws?
Where is the public disobediance?

http://www.google.com/webhp?rls=ig#...=g6g-m3&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=fb0bee69b5aae820

Are you really that ignorant?

Getting arrested, going to jail, and then crying about the consequences, is not resistance. It's asinine.

Straw man. No one is really claiming that, but see above with Lawrence and the Lovings or others. Plenty of people end up unwittingly being a force for change without it ever having been their intent.

Using your logic, it's not the speeders fault they were going to fast; it's the fault of the those who passed the speed limit laws.

"Going too fast" is to speeding as getting high is to consuming mj. What's the point of your analogy, other than to demonstrate your poor logic skills and low IQ?

You've completely destroyed yourself, in every one of your attempts to defend yourself.

You really need to seek professional help.

Keep on telling yourself that, Osama bin Cocksucking. The blood is still on your hands.
 
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Oh wow man, let's fire up a doob and mellow out.

Oh wow man, your minstrel show is getting old. You create a stereotype so you can ignore the very real people that are nothing like your clown and, even if they were, do not deserve imprisonment or threats on their lives.

There is no doubt that your ad-hom is an accurate criticism of some people. Just like some people only support equality for gays, because they are gay. Unfortunately, too few care about the liberty of all and you don't disturb that trend.
 
unfreedumb...

All you do is continue to repeat your dumbfuck evasions. You lost.

RShithead...
If repeating comments means that it's just dumbfuck evasions pointing to a loss; then you lost a long time ago, because that's all you've been doing lately.

Alcohol is not illegal now. It was. The prohibition of it lead to death. Meat is not illegal now in the US. There have been black markets here and there are those abroad that have lead to damage. The damage is done by idiots like yourself, the temperance movement and Chavez. Chavez is a little less stupid than you and the temperance league.

You're right, it now ISN"T.
Meat has never been illegal, so your continued attempts to use this strawman argument is a failure, on your part.
This isn't about those abroad; but it seems that you need to expand your base, because you've lost the one here.
The damage is done by those who violate the prohibition here in the US.
Smoking mj is not a necessity, it is a choice.

Those accused are treated as subhumans. Do you wish to deny that what is seen in the Columbia, Mo raid, and thousands just like it, is not a restraint on their liberty, that it does not treat them as subhuman?
Those who molest young children are treated as subhumans or do you wish to deny that.
OH-WAIT; that's illegal to and the consequence is brought on the person committing the illegal act, BY THEMSELF AND THEIR BEHAVIOR.
Being denied to ability to legally smoke mj does not regulate you to subhuman statues.

Engaging in a homosexual act is a choice, the same as choosing to smoke MJ. Do you believe there is some sort of force that makes you suck dicks? You prefer dicks to chicks, whether that is a choice, I don't know or care. I prefer mj to alcohol. I don't have to smoke a joint just like you don't have to suck dick. But why should the state stop us?
All sex acts are a choice; but that was never my assertion.
Being homosexual is not a choice, anymore then being hetrosexual is.
You preferring an illegal substance is your CHOICE and if you CHOOSE to engage in such behavior, then you also CHOOSE to run the risk of the consequences.
The "State" has chosen to stop you; because the populace has decided that they don't want mj legalized.

Since you insist on using ad homs as part of your discussion of the topic, I will do the same.
But the majority of your presentations have been nothing but ad homs, so why should you change now??
By the way, Mr. Herman, you forgot to add:
"I know you are; but what am I" :cof1:


You did not.
Yes I did

Another evasion. I have a definition of "civil right." I am asking for yours, since you seem to believe that it is so critical to the discussion. You are trying to use this label, narrowly defining it, the same way Ditzy and the rest try to use "marriage." At least they are not too chicken shit to give their definition.
I'll try to keep this simple, so that you hopefully don't get lost:
Civil Rights"
The rights belonging to an individual by virtue of citizenship, especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and by subsequent acts of Congress, including civil liberties, due process, equal protection of the laws, and freedom from discrimination.
The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution officially abolished and continues to prohibit slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.
The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution has several clauses:
1. Its Citizenship Clause provides a broad definition of citizenship that overruled the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), which held that blacks could not be citizens of the United States.
2. Its Due Process Clause prohibits state and local governments from depriving people (individual and corporate) of life, liberty, or property without certain steps being taken. This clause has been used to make most of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, as well as to recognize substantive rights and procedural rights.
3. Its Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people within its jurisdiction.
4. It also includes several clauses dealing with the Confederacy and its officials; but I didn't think they pertained to this exchange.

It's not a made up example. There are black markets in meat due to dictatorial attempts to control others. You also continue to ignore the damage done by alcohol prohibition. I know it's not illegal, dumbfuck. Making it illegal leads to the same sort of results. It is a major failure on your part to continue evading the results of prohibition.
I was unaware that the US had such a large meat black market!!
Could you provide me with some of the important details, so that I could study them??
But there is not going to be a prohibition on meat, at least in the foreseeable future (except maybe in California :cof1:), so this has no bearing.
You're the one evading and denying the results of the black market. You make it seem like there would still be a black market for mj, if NO ONE WAS BUYING IT and there wouldn't be.

What is pathetic is your continued attempts to dismiss the examples of prohibition. You are not forced to suck dicks. Blacks were not forced to sit at the front of the bus, to eat at white lunch counters, drink from white lunch counters or to marry to outside of their race. Women in Afghanistan were not forced to go outside without a veil. They all chose these actions and there is no legitimate reason for the sta/majority will to restrain them. When the state did attempt to restrain them there was damage in many cases, including death. It is the terrorists who use force to try to compel the actions of others who are responsible. That's you.
What is pathetic is your continued to attempt to grasp at straws, in an attempt to keep you asinine examples afloat.
The Civil Rights movement was so that Blacks would be forced to do the things you've mentioned; it was so that they would have a choice in doing so, if they wanted to.
We're not talking about situations outside of the US, at least I wasn't.
The terrorists are those that continue to fund the black market; because getting high is more important then the death and suffering that they support.
The blood is on their hands.

Another lie and misrepresentation by you. The civil rights movement and the 60s/70s has not been used exclusively. I have used it because it contains the same common, the state/majority trying to force it's will on to others without just cause.
Which is where you lie; because you're still trying to make this a civil rights issue and it isn't.
What you're doing is equating anything that anyone wants to do and is denied by law, is just another example of the majority trying to force it's will on others without just cause.
You really need to rethink your presentations, before you hit the Submit Reply button.

The Loving left Virginia to marry and hoped not to be molested by the law. They were not trying to make precedent. Lawrence and his partner were not trying to make precedent either. All disobeyed the laws.
That was about a civil right. Smoking mj is not.

Nice show of something being totally disjointed.
Evidently those attempts have failed and larger things need to occur.
Buying mj from the black market, funding death and sorrow, sitting at home smoking, and then whining about being arrested is not going to change anyone's mind.

Are you really that ignorant?
Compated to what you've been presenting, I'm a freaking genius. :cof1:

Straw man. No one is really claiming that, but see above with Lawrence and the Lovings or others. Plenty of people end up unwittingly being a force for change without it ever having been their intent.
But that is what others have presented, in other posts, as being a protest against the laws. It's not going to happen, sitting on your asses at home and whining.

"Going too fast" is to speeding as getting high is to consuming mj. What's the point of your analogy, other than to demonstrate your poor logic skills and low IQ?
Mabye in your feeble cognitive thinking; but not necessarily so, to those that CHOOSE to believe that it's a violation of their freedom.

Keep on telling yourself that, Osama bin Cocksucking. The blood is still on your hands.

But you have and continue to do so, RShithead.
The blood is on the hands of those that support the black market and the death and suffering that comes from it.

By the way; this is the last of post that I'm going to involve mysellf in, where you attempt to dissect each and every sentence.
This is because it's my belief that you're aware you can't win on the foundation you're standing on; so you have to try cherrypick everything apart, in an hope that I'll miss something and you can then claim a win on a gotcha moment.

It's not that I can't continue to do so, it's becuase I CHOOSE not to.
You've presented nothing new and this is just a rehash of everyone of your pathetic attempts to remove yourself from the responsiblity of your actions.
 
But unfortunetly, for your presentation, beef isn't illegal and mj is.

Why are mj users so self centered that they're willing to support the black market and condone the resulting violence??

The blood is on your hands.

that is because there is no inherent authority for congress/federal government to ban possession/growth/manufacture of a naturally occurring plant and free thinking people know it.
 
that is because there is no inherent authority for congress/federal government to ban possession/growth/manufacture of a naturally occurring plant and free thinking people know it.

Regardless, it has occured.
The whiners can actually do something to change the law, or accept the consequences that come from breaking it.
 
unfree&dumb aka Osama bin Cocksucking. I only repeat the points you continue to evade. I answered your stupid points on people walking in the street, your retarded analogy about speeding and every other ignorant point you have made.

You're right, it now ISN"T.
Meat has never been illegal, so your continued attempts to use this strawman argument is a failure, on your part.
This isn't about those abroad; but it seems that you need to expand your base, because you've lost the one here.
The damage is done by those who violate the prohibition here in the US.
Smoking mj is not a necessity, it is a choice.

Alcohol is not now illegal. People still choose to drink just as they did during prohibition. Few or none are dying due to violence related to the sale or regulation of alcohol. It is not the choice to drink that resulted in the deaths. It was the attempt to control/stop drinking that lead to the deaths. Prohibition caused the violence.

There have been black markets for grocery items in the US. The facts of economics or prohibition and its effects do not magically change when they are conducted on our side of an imaginary line. You fail to give any reason why the fact that the black markets in meat happen outside the US impacts the point. Your ignorant point is completely irrelevant.


Those who molest young children are treated as subhumans or do you wish to deny that.

No, they are treated with all due justice. They have not simply chosen to do something that others find immoral. The fact that you do not approve of their act has nothing to do with it. If you or the majority did approve of their action it would not make it any less of a crime. Their action victimizes another and they force their will upon the victim just like other despicable terrorists.

Further, there is little harm in enforcing laws against child molestation. Not enforcing such a law would obviously be worse and so it passes the rational basis test. The harm is done in ACTUALLY breaking the law, not in trying to evade arrest. Do you understand the difference, retard. I doubt it.

All sex acts are a choice; but that was never my assertion.
Being homosexual is not a choice, anymore then being hetrosexual is.

It was you assertion. Go back and look at the context. Once again, Lawrence and his partner were arrested for engaging in homosexual sex, a choice, not for being homosexual.

You preferring an illegal substance is your CHOICE and if you CHOOSE to engage in such behavior, then you also CHOOSE to run the risk of the consequences.

I don't prefer the substance because it illegal. I prefer it because I am better able to control my use and it does not incapacitate me to the degree alcohol does.

You preferring to take it in the ass is just as much, your choice and if you CHOOSE to engage in such behavior then you would have also CHOSE to run the risk of the consequences under laws overturned in Lawrence.

There may be some genetic factors that cause you to prefer taking it in the ass. There may be some genetic factors that make mj preferable to alcohol for me. It does not really matter though since the action is what terrorists try to prohibit, not the preference.

The "State" has chosen to stop you; because the populace has decided that they don't want mj legalized.

Texas did not want homosexual sex legalized.

But the majority of your presentations have been nothing but ad homs, so why should you change now??

Nonsense. You are the one who claims that the only reason people support mj legalization is due to a selfish desire to get high. That's because the only reason you support legalization of certain formerly prohibited actions (sucking dick) is a desire to engage in those acts. You are projecting. I think plenty of things should be legal that I have no desire to engage in and it largely due to a respect for freedom and the knowledge that attempting to unjustly control the choices of others always leads to negative results.


I'll try to keep this simple, so that you hopefully don't get lost:
Civil Rights"
The rights belonging to an individual by virtue of citizenship, especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and by subsequent acts of Congress, including civil liberties, due process, equal protection of the laws, and freedom from discrimination.

Which is why I don't bother with "civil rights." It's a human right. Non citizens have the right to smoke mj too. Equality before the law and due process are not based on citizenship either. The label is often misused, by idiots like yourself, who have not actually read the 14th amendment with care. The civil rights movement is a misnomer, except as it applies to the right to vote, which is a right of citizenship only.


The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution has several clauses:
1. Its Citizenship Clause provides a broad definition of citizenship that overruled the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), which held that blacks could not be citizens of the United States.
2. Its Due Process Clause prohibits state and local governments from depriving people (individual and corporate) of life, liberty, or property without certain steps being taken. This clause has been used to make most of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, as well as to recognize substantive rights and procedural rights.
3. Its Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people within its jurisdiction.
4. It also includes several clauses dealing with the Confederacy and its officials; but I didn't think they pertained to this exchange.

Now reread and pay attention to the emphasis I added, moron.

What is pathetic is your continued to attempt to grasp at straws, in an attempt to keep you asinine examples afloat.
The Civil Rights movement was so that Blacks would be forced to do the things you've mentioned; it was so that they would have a choice in doing so, if they wanted to.

And someone is trying to force people to smoke pot???

Which is where you lie; because you're still trying to make this a civil rights issue and it isn't.
What you're doing is equating anything that anyone wants to do and is denied by law, is just another example of the majority trying to force it's will on others without just cause.
You really need to rethink your presentations, before you hit the Submit Reply button.

When it is done WITHOUT JUST CAUSE it is all the same.

That was about a civil right. Smoking mj is not.

It was not about a "civil right", retard. There is no "civil right" to be fucked in the ass no matter how many times you bend over and grab your ankles for me. There is a human right to do as you wish so long as it does not constitute an initiation of force on someone else. So you have a right to suck cock just as others have a right to smoke a joint.

Nice show of something being totally disjointed.
Evidently those attempts have failed and larger things need to occur.
Buying mj from the black market, funding death and sorrow, sitting at home smoking, and then whining about being arrested is not going to change anyone's mind.

The internet is a useful means of speech. It also helps to sharpen arguments as there are many brain dead fucks, like yourself, in the world that have no idea about the principles upon which this nation was founded.

Protests don't work overnight. Change is always slow. Honestly, I think that is for the best, but...


But that is what others have presented, in other posts, as being a protest against the laws. It's not going to happen, sitting on your asses at home and whining.

Still waiting for you to cite who and in what post this occurred. Until you do, I will assume it is just a straw man.

Mabye in your feeble cognitive thinking; but not necessarily so, to those that CHOOSE to believe that it's a violation of their freedom.

Non responsive. Your analogy sucked and you have done nothing to fix it up. Going fast is the result of speeding. Getting high is the result of ingesting mj. No one is blaming the law for causing them to get high, retard.

But you have and continue to do so, RShithead.
The blood is on the hands of those that support the black market and the death and suffering that comes from it.

By the way; this is the last of post that I'm going to involve mysellf in, where you attempt to dissect each and every sentence.
This is because it's my belief that you're aware you can't win on the foundation you're standing on; so you have to try cherrypick everything apart, in an hope that I'll miss something and you can then claim a win on a gotcha moment.

It's not that I can't continue to do so, it's becuase I CHOOSE not to.
You've presented nothing new and this is just a rehash of everyone of your pathetic attempts to remove yourself from the responsiblity of your actions.

I cut the post because it adds context. You avoid the context in order to pretend you said something else (see above where you argued that homosexuality was not a choice while avoiding the fact that I stated that the homosexual act was a choice). But post however you like, I am still going to make you look like a fool. You make it very easy.
 
I've got some time, before I go riding, so I'll amuse myself my address your tripe.

unfree&dumb aka Osama bin Cocksucking. I only repeat the points you continue to evade. I answered your stupid points on people walking in the street, your retarded analogy about speeding and every other ignorant point you have made.

I now see that you don't have the cognitive ability to make the connection, so therefore I will refrain from speaking of things that are past your cognitive ability.

Alcohol is not now illegal. People still choose to drink just as they did during prohibition. Few or none are dying due to violence related to the sale or regulation of alcohol. It is not the choice to drink that resulted in the deaths. It was the attempt to control/stop drinking that lead to the deaths. Prohibition caused the violence.

I see no need to spank you, yet again, over this. Your ass is obviously still stinging.

There have been black markets for grocery items in the US. The facts of economics or prohibition and its effects do not magically change when they are conducted on our side of an imaginary line. You fail to give any reason why the fact that the black markets in meat happen outside the US impacts the point. Your ignorant point is completely irrelevant.

And yet; you are unable to provide any proof of this, besides your FEELINGS on it.
Interesting; expected, but still interesting.


No, they are treated with all due justice. They have not simply chosen to do something that others find immoral. The fact that you do not approve of their act has nothing to do with it. If you or the majority did approve of their action it would not make it any less of a crime. Their action victimizes another and they force their will upon the victim just like other despicable terrorists.

Not according to your guidelines.
OH and by the way; your actions and those like you are making victims of others, when you try to force your desire to smoke mj on a society that has deemed it illegal.
This makes you and yours, the despicable terrorists.

Further, there is little harm in enforcing laws against child molestation. Not enforcing such a law would obviously be worse and so it passes the rational basis test. The harm is done in ACTUALLY breaking the law, not in trying to evade arrest. Do you understand the difference, retard. I doubt it.
But according to you; society is creating further victims, by prohibiting this.

It was you assertion. Go back and look at the context. Once again, Lawrence and his partner were arrested for engaging in homosexual sex, a choice, not for being homosexual.
Which was deemed a civil rights violation. Smoking mj has not been deemed a civil right.

I don't prefer the substance because it illegal. I prefer it because I am better able to control my use and it does not incapacitate me to the degree alcohol does.

The fact that you have a weak willpower, does not exclude you from following societies guidelines.
You have choosen to ignore the law; but then you also want to ignore the consequences and instead have decided to whine about it.

You preferring to take it in the ass is just as much, your choice and if you CHOOSE to engage in such behavior then you would have also CHOSE to run the risk of the consequences under laws overturned in Lawrence.

I've told you before; that projecting your personal behavior on others, does not make them participants in such behavior.
I've never said that there was anything wrong with your desire to engage in man love.
At least you don't have to worry about anyone violating your civil rights to do so; because society has decided to help protect you from such.

There may be some genetic factors that cause you to prefer taking it in the ass. There may be some genetic factors that make mj preferable to alcohol for me. It does not really matter though since the action is what terrorists try to prohibit, not the preference.
You seem to be confused to why you feel the way you do, sexually; or else you wouldn't be trying to once again spin this.
Homosexuality is not a choice; but smoking mj is.

Texas did not want homosexual sex legalized.
And Texas lost to the greater good of societ; but then, Texas is not the entirety of the populace.

Nonsense. You are the one who claims that the only reason people support mj legalization is due to a selfish desire to get high. That's because the only reason you support legalization of certain formerly prohibited actions (sucking dick) is a desire to engage in those acts. You are projecting. I think plenty of things should be legal that I have no desire to engage in and it largely due to a respect for freedom and the knowledge that attempting to unjustly control the choices of others always leads to negative results.
Then prove me to be in error.
The rest of this is just you obviosly trying to come to terms with your own lifestyle and behavior.
You need to realize that self-hate is very destructive and truly serves no purpose.

Which is why I don't bother with "civil rights." It's a human right. Non citizens have the right to smoke mj too. Equality before the law and due process are not based on citizenship either. The label is often misused, by idiots like yourself, who have not actually read the 14th amendment with care. The civil rights movement is a misnomer, except as it applies to the right to vote, which is a right of citizenship only.

The reason you have switched from civil rights to "human rights" is the same reason that the warmers switched from "global warming"; it's because you like them have finally realized that you were failing in your attempt to correlate it.
Care to list your "human rights"; because if nothing else, it will finally give you a foundation you might be able to stand on. Unfortunetly you're going to fail if you try to insist that smoking mj is a "human right".
You're comment seems to suggest that your belief is that the Civil Rights movement was only about the ability to vote.
And with that disclosure, you have not only failed again; but have failed in an immense way.

Now reread and pay attention to the emphasis I added, moron.
And someone is trying to force people to smoke pot???
When it is done WITHOUT JUST CAUSE it is all the same.

There is no need for me to continue spanking your ass over this; because it's been done enough, so that your butt is red and my hand is sore.

It was not about a "civil right", retard. There is no "civil right" to be fucked in the ass no matter how many times you bend over and grab your ankles for me. There is a human right to do as you wish so long as it does not constitute an initiation of force on someone else. So you have a right to suck cock just as others have a right to smoke a joint.

Now you want to make smoking equal to that of a sex act!!
In your case you may be correct; because you certainly have fucked yourself, with this entire exchange.

The internet is a useful means of speech. It also helps to sharpen arguments as there are many brain dead fucks, like yourself, in the world that have no idea about the principles upon which this nation was founded.

Protests don't work overnight. Change is always slow. Honestly, I think that is for the best, but...

Then how long is it going to take; because this one's been going on for over 40 years now and it seems to be making little headway. :cof1:
Other changes occured much quicker, once it was decided that a change needed to be made.




Still waiting for you to cite who and in what post this occurred. Until you do, I will assume it is just a straw man.
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If the subject matter wasn't improtant enough for you to pay attention to what others felt, then I have no desire to try and educate you.
You can assume that you winning this, if you so desire; but once again, you would be incorrect.

Non responsive. Your analogy sucked and you have done nothing to fix it up. Going fast is the result of speeding. Getting high is the result of ingesting mj. No one is blaming the law for causing them to get high, retard.
FINALLY YOU GOT IT.
No law is causing you to get high.
You CHOOSE to do; but then you want to whine about getting busted.
Be an adult and be responsible for your actions.

I cut the post because it adds context. You avoid the context in order to pretend you said something else (see above where you argued that homosexuality was not a choice while avoiding the fact that I stated that the homosexual act was a choice). But post however you like, I am still going to make you look like a fool. You make it very easy.

You started cutting the posts; because you were losing on the original exchange and had to find a way to try and streatch out your whining.
Unfortunetly all that did, was cause you to lose on the rest of your complaints.
I've said that all sex acts are a choice; but the true pity is that your cognitive ability is so limited that you were unable to comprehend the point.

You do need to realize that the person looking back at that mirror you're holding, is not me; but is instead a relection of your own failures.

By the way, I find your need to use words like retard and such, to be a plus on my end and proof that you're totally incapable of discussing anything; because like a child, when you lose you feel bad and this makes you want to share your pain and humiliation.
If you continue, the discussion is finished and you can go back to molesting your family members, sucking dick, and selling your ass for nickels, on the street.
I'm sorry that you weren't able to trade those cheeseburgers for some crack; but I am glad that you recovered from the gunshots.
 
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