Yes on Prop 19 Winning 52%-36%; Majority Supports Legalizing Marijuana

USFREEDOM911 said:
But for some reason; those who want to flaunt the laws regarding mj, seem to propose that this is a right.
Their thinking that this is a right, seems to mean that they can now equate this to a civil rights movement and they are in error.
THIS IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS SITUATION.
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Right to property = civil right.

Also, if it took an amendment to make booze illegal, then it stands to reason that the same must be true for Miss Mary Jane.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Just using your reasoning and logic.

My remark was about ignoring a law, not about molestation.
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Not my reasoning and logic or anyone's.

Lawrence and his guest were ignoring the law in Texas.

Gee, you make it sound like those young people are being FORCED to use mj and here I thought it was a choice.
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It's a choice, so what? Eating meat is a choice. Homosexual acts are a choice. Praying to Allah is a choice. Speaking against the President is a choice.

Those young people are having their future tarnished by making a choice that does not violate the rights of anyone else. They are no more criminals than the last three Presidents or any and all of them that ever took a drink of alcohol, cough syrup or smoked tobacco.
 
Liberty said:
The war on drugs is genocide.
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USFREEDOM911 said:
So people who are arrested for drug possession are being executed!! :palm:
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Liberty said:
There you go again. Reading things in that don't belong.

I'm talking about prohibition itself.

A lot of innocent people, (children) have died because of prohibition.

Where you get, "So people who are arrested for drug possession are being executed!!", is beyond me.

Where did I write that?
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I wasn't aware that you weren't aware of the genocide that occured to the Jews, Gypsys, Homosexuals, Mentally impaired, or others, during WW II.
 
Threedee said:
Right to property = civil right.

Also, if it took an amendment to make booze illegal, then it stands to reason that the same must be true for Miss Mary Jane.
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Attempts to equate this a the Civil Rights movement, denigrates the work done by those within the Civil Rights organization.

This is not a Civil Rights situation, unless you can show a ruling that said the Prohibition of Alcohol was a civil rights violation.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But for some reason; those who want to flaunt the laws regarding mj, seem to propose that this is a right.
Their thinking that this is a right, seems to mean that they can now equate this to a civil rights movement and they are in error.
THIS IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS SITUATION.
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It is a right.
 
RStringfield said:
Not my reasoning and logic or anyone's.

Lawrence and his guest were ignoring the law in Texas.



It's a choice, so what? Eating meat is a choice. Homosexual acts are a choice. Praying to Allah is a choice. Speaking against the President is a choice.

Those young people are having their future tarnished by making a choice that does not violate the rights of anyone else. They are no more criminals than the last three Presidents or any and all of them that ever took a drink of alcohol, cough syrup or smoked tobacco.
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The acts of eating meat, being a homosexual, praying to Allan, or speaking against the President aren't illegal.
At the moment, smoking mj is; therefore your attempt to equate them has failed.

If I don't think I should have to stop for a Stop Sign on a rural back road, then I have several ways to resolve this:
1. attempt to have the Stop Sign removed, legally.
2. Ignore it and hope I don't get caught.
3. Hope that if I do get caught, that the Officer feels the same way I do.

You'll notice that whining about it, does nothing to solve the problem.


OOPS, I almost forgot.
I have one more option:
4. Accept that I've broken the law and abide by the consequence(s).
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Attempts to equate this a the Civil Rights movement, denigrates the work done by those within the Civil Rights organization.

This is not a Civil Rights situation, unless you can show a ruling that said the Prohibition of Alcohol was a civil rights violation.
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Civil rights? Meh... It's a civil liberties issue.
 
Threedee said:
You'll notice that we wouldn't even be a country if no one whined about stupid laws. Stupid laws are evil, because they infringe upon liberty.
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What those caught with mj are doing, is whining.
Are you trying to say that the Civil Rights Movement and the movement's supporters were "whining"??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
The acts of eating meat, being a homosexual, praying to Allan, or speaking against the President aren't illegal.
At the moment, smoking mj is; therefore your attempt to equate them has failed.
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Several of those have been illegal. The point is... and they should not be, even though they are choices.

If I don't think I should have to stop for a Stop Sign on a rural back road, then I have several ways to resolve this:
1. attempt to have the Stop Sign removed, legally.
2. Ignore it and hope I don't get caught.
3. Hope that if I do get caught, that the Officer feels the same way I do.

You'll notice that whining about it, does nothing to solve the problem.


OOPS, I almost forgot.
I have one more option:
4. Accept that I've broken the law and abide by the consequence(s).
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See substantive due process doctrine. You will not be incarcerated (a deprivation of your right to liberty) for running a stop sign without due process of the law. Traffic laws serve a legitimate state function. MJ laws, laws against homosexuality, praying to allah, eating meat, etc., do not.
 
RStringfield said:
Several of those have been illegal. The point is... and they should not be, even though they are choices.



See substantive due process doctrine. You will not be incarcerated (a deprivation of your right to liberty) for running a stop sign without due process of the law. Traffic laws serve a legitimate state function. MJ laws, laws against homosexuality, praying to allah, eating meat, etc., do not.
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And the ones you've mentioned are no longer against the law and I suggest that people put more effort into changing the mj laws, rather then crying when they get caught.

If I continue to run that Stop sign, I do run the risk of being incarcerated.
Laws regarding mj also serve a legitimate State function.
 
RStringfield said:
:palm:

Relevance? What is your opinion on the Lawrence v Texas ruling? Is it permissible for the state to outlaw homosexual acts? Why or why not?
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Your attemt is a strawman diversion; because this discussion is about mj laws and the Supreme Court struck down the law.
Has the Supreme Court had the chance to strike down any of the mj laws??
The answer here is yes and yet, states still have mj laws.
Now, why is that??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And the ones you've mentioned are no longer against the law and I suggest that people put more effort into changing the mj laws, rather then crying when they get caught.

If I continue to run that Stop sign, I do run the risk of being incarcerated.
Laws regarding mj also serve a legitimate State function.
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You are a fucking idiot. What you call "crying" is an attempt to get others to see the unjust nature of the law in the hopes that they will help to change it.

What legitimate state function do laws against marijuana serve? Are the laws narrowly tailored to achieve this?
 
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