Yeah, I knew the lame old "Good guy with a gun" crap wasn't far off....

[ExpressLane]

As are many teachers.

Yeah my drafting teacher was ex military and an avid hunter. He was also a sheriff reserve deputy. He drove the school bus for extra income. I'm positive he would have become a school guardian for a small stipend.

 

[ExpressLane]

Which is about vengeance. I do have to laugh when atheist liberals start quoting the bible though.

Indeed

 

[ExpressLane]

Yet you think that untrained teachers could do better than trained officers.

Strawman argument. No one is suggesting untrained teachers be allowed to carry weapons in school.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

And?

Veterans are often trained in the safe handling and marksmanship necessary to use firearms effectively. Teachers are not.

Obviously the problem here is the proliferation of military-style weapons in the hands of civiliians, NOT the fact that armed civilians rarely stop mass shootings. But of course we must not discuss that because reasons.

Simpletons think in simple terms and believe that more guns, rather than fewer, will lead to fewer mass murders. As we have seen, they are dead wrong. Pun intended.

 

[Nomad]

If a 22 year old kid could do it a former marine science teacher could do it too. My son's biology teacher was a former marine. I had several teachers that were ex military. My band teacher had a BKA from WWII. Teaching is a common second career for former military people. We could also hire them for security officers.

So you think your broad, sweeping generalizations comprise a coherent strategy?

Puh-lease.

Most modern public schools are large, spread out buildings and campuses that take several minutes to cross on foot.

If that hare-brained plan were to have a chance to succeed, there would have to be armed teachers all over the school in order to have one nearby when a shooting began.

And of course, the chances are nowadays that the shooter will be wearing body armor which can be easily obtained, while the teacher won't be.

And even if those two situations were dealt with, a shooter bursting into a classroom would have time to rack up a sizeable body count before any armed teacher could secure his/her weapon from its locked, secure location, don their body armor and carefully make their way towards the sound of gunfire, still not knowing exactly which classroom it is coming from.

And during the time that process is taking place, parents and families are having their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces and grandchildren, slaughtered by bullets all because a bunch of jackasses who can't get it through their thick skulls that the old west and pioneer days are long gone and most of that good guys vs bad guys shoot 'em up shit was all just Hollywood make believe bullshit to begin with.

THE PROBLEM IS GUNS.

THERE ARE TOO MANY AND THEY'RE TOO EASY TO OBTAIN.

PERIOD.

 

[Nomad]

Strawman argument. No one is suggesting untrained teachers be allowed to carry weapons in school.

Their level of training would be miniscule compared to active law enforcement.

 

[Nomad]

Yeah my drafting teacher was ex military and an avid hunter. He was also a sheriff reserve deputy. He drove the school bus for extra income. I'm positive he would have become a school guardian for a small stipend.

Your anecdotal bullshit is just that.... anecdotal bullshit.

Not likely to be the case in the vast majority of instances.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

So you think your broad, sweeping generalizations comprise a coherent strategy?

Puh-lease.

Most modern public schools are large, spread out buildings and campuses that take several minutes to cross on foot.

If that hare-brained plan were to have a chance to succeed, there would have to be armed teachers all over the school in order to have one nearby when a shooting began.

And of course, the chances are nowadays that the shooter will be wearing body armor which can be easily obtained, while the teacher won't be.

And even if those two situations were dealt with, a shooter bursting into a classroom would have time to rack up a sizeable body count before any armed teacher could secure his/her weapon from its locked, secure location, don their body armor and carefully make their way towards the sound of gunfire, still not knowing exactly which classroom it is coming from.

And during the time that process is taking place, parents and families are having their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces and grandchildren, slaughtered by bullets all because a bunch of jackasses who can't get it through their thick skulls that the old west and pioneer days are long gone and most of that good guys vs bad guys shoot 'em up shit was all just Hollywood make believe bullshit to begin with.

THE PROBLEM IS GUNS.

THERE ARE TOO MANY AND THEY'RE TOO EASY TO OBTAIN.

PERIOD.

What an excellent post.

Just one more point: Most of these shooters have military-style multi-round rifles. They are much more accurate at a distance than the typical handgun that an armed teacher (or school officer for that matter) would have. They can also shoot through windows, doors, and walls.

But the gun-humpers think it's perfectly okay for an untrained, un-vetted, unlicensed civilian to own them.

 

[ExpressLane]

So you think your broad, sweeping generalizations comprise a coherent strategy?

Puh-lease.

Most modern public schools are large, spread out buildings and campuses that take several minutes to cross on foot.

If that hare-brained plan were to have a chance to succeed, there would have to be armed teachers all over the school in order to have one nearby when a shooting began.

And of course, the chances are nowadays that the shooter will be wearing body armor which can be easily obtained, while the teacher won't be.

And even if those two situations were dealt with, a shooter bursting into a classroom would have time to rack up a sizeable body count before any armed teacher could secure his/her weapon from its locked, secure location, don their body armor and carefully make their way towards the sound of gunfire, still not knowing exactly which classroom it is coming from.

And during the time that process is taking place, parents and families are having their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces and grandchildren, slaughtered by bullets all so a bunch of jackasses who can't get it through their thick skulls that the old west and pioneer days are long gone and most of that good guys vs bad guys shoot 'em up shit was all just Hollywood make believe bullshit to begin with.

THE PROBLEM IS GUNS.

THERE ARE TOO MANY AND THEY'RE TOO EASY TO OBTAIN.

PERIOD.

I bet the teachers that were shot and killed in Uvalde wished they were armed.

Yes some teachers in school should be armed for the exact reasons you pointed out. Campuses are large and arming several teachers in several areas of the school is a very smart idea. Teachers are people too and can be trained to defend their own lives and the lives of their students. At Parkland and unarmed coach ran at the shooter to protect the lives of students. He died, I bet he wished he was armed and trained. If a 22 year old kid in a mall can do it a motivated teacher with even more proper training can do it too. Nothing motives people like the desire to protect their own lives. Just remember when seconds count the police are just minutes away.

 

[Nomad]

What an excellent post.

Just one more point: Most of these shooters have military-style multi-round rifles. They are much more accurate at a distance than the typical handgun that an armed teacher (or school officer for that matter) would have. They can also shoot through windows, doors, and walls.

But the gun-humpers think it's perfectly okay for an untrained, un-vetted, unlicensed civilian to own them.

Excellent point.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Your anecdotal bullshit is just that.... anecdotal bullshit.

Not likely to be the case in the vast majority of instances.

Our family has five currently-teaching instructors. The only one that I know for sure who has ever even fired a gun is my youngest daughter. My late husband taught her how to shoot a .22 rifle, just for fun. She did not care for it. The others don't even own a firearm.

 

[ExpressLane]

What an excellent post.

Just one more point: Most of these shooters have military-style multi-round rifles. They are much more accurate at a distance than the typical handgun that an armed teacher (or school officer for that matter) would have. They can also shoot through windows, doors, and walls.

But the gun-humpers think it's perfectly okay for an untrained, un-vetted, unlicensed civilian to own them.

The 22 year old at the mall took out the shooter at the mall with a handgun. The mall shooter had an AR 15 type weapon. The element of surprise is big.

 

[Nomad]

I bet the teachers that were shot and killed in Uvalde wished they were armed.

Yes teachers school be armed for the exact reasons you pointed out. Campuses are large and arming several teachers in several areas of the school is a very smart idea. Teachers are people too and be trained to defend their own lives and the lives of their students. At Parkland and unarmed coach ran at the shooter to protect the lives of students. He died, I bet he wished he was armed and trained. If a 22 year old kid in a mall can do it a motivated teacher with even proper training can do it too. Nothing motives people like the desire to protect their own lives. Just remember when seconds count the police are just minutes away.

Just think how nice it would be if there was no longer a reason to even discuss the idea of arming teachers.

How nice it would be if guns were no longer so easily available that any malcontented nutjob with a grudge against society could purchase one as easily as a toaster oven.

 

[Nomad]

The 22 year old at the mall took out the shooter at the mall with a handgun. The mall shooter had an AR 15 type weapon. The element of surprise is big.

He got lucky.

He could easily have been one of the innocent food court diners who were dead before anyone even knew what was happening.

And before he could access and use his weapon.

 

[ExpressLane]

Our family has five currently-teaching instructors. The only one that I know for sure who has ever even fired a gun is my youngest daughter. My late husband taught her how to shoot a .22 rifle, just for fun. She did not care for it. The others don't even own a firearm.

And they shouldn't volunteer to become part of an armed teacher guardian program and to go through the regular training. Not every teacher is suitable to become an armed guardian. My mother was a teacher and she wouldn't have made a good armed teacher either. I train regularly at the shooting range. One of my son's fireman coworkers and his wife were shooting at the same range with us. She was a principal at a local school. She is an avid shooter and is an excellent shot and conceal carries. She would make a great trained guardian.

 

[ExpressLane]

He got lucky.

He could easily have been one of the innocent food court diners who were dead before anyone even knew what was happening.

And before he could access and use his weapon.

He directed others to get behind him to protect them and he shot the shooter 6 times. Sounds like level headed skill to me.

 

[ExpressLane]

Just think how nice it would be if there was no longer a reason to even discuss the idea of arming teachers.

How nice it would be if guns were no longer so easily available that any malcontented nutjob with a grudge against society could purchase one as easily as a toaster oven.

And it would be nice if nut jobs didn't have access to cars so they could drive through Christmas parades too. Maybe we should all walk.

 

[ExpressLane]

Just think how nice it would be if there was no longer a reason to even discuss the idea of arming teachers.

How nice it would be if guns were no longer so easily available that any malcontented nutjob with a grudge against society could purchase one as easily as a toaster oven.

How many guns have you bought lately?

 

[Nomad]

He directed others to get behind him to protect them and he shot the shooter 6 times. Sounds like level headed skill to me.

If the first bullet from the shooter's gun had struck him in the head or chest, he wouldn't have done anything but lie on the floor bleeding.

Like I said, he was lucky.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

He got lucky.

He could easily have been one of the innocent food court diners who were dead before anyone even knew what was happening.

And before he could access and use his weapon.

Yep.

A quick search of recent mass shootings shows that in several instances, the armed guard/officer who tried to engage the shooter was himself shot, and some were killed.

The gun freaks are much more interested in increasing the carnage by putting more guns in the hands of the untrained, than they are keeping them out of the hands of the insane.