Worst president of all time? Worse than bush the lesser even??

Bill said:
Carter is a good Christian & you take the pagan over him.:palm: Tears in heaven, poor pastor ralph..
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my mom went to her grave believing Carter was the best president ever......two reasons, he taught Sunday School and he permitted American farmers to sell surplus corn to the Soviet Union so prices went up......
 
archives said:
Truth is he has accomplished next to nothing, photo op Executive Orders, all of which can be erased with the stroke of a pen by the next President. Zero legislative successes, and nothing but blunder after blunder

You can"t even count the new Justice, that was McConnell's work keeping the position open, what the President did was a gimme, any dimwit could have done that
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These EOs can be erased....IF your party had not screwed the pooch and run the spouse of only the 2nd president in US history to be impeached (middle America spoke...hell no, not another Clinton)...or allowed a black marxist to reign for 8 years simply because he was...well...black, prompting middle America to fire over 1000 democrat politicians across the nation, lose the house, the senate, the white house and most likely change SCTOUS for the next 3 decades. Good luck in "erasing" the 1 million jobs created, a GDP soon to go over 3%, millions less illegal immigrants, a now "toothless", "barking" EPA.....

I say GO FOR IT after THE PEOPLE have experienced true economic freedom and prosperity for perhaps the next 8 years. Let the best party win.....and the other eat the shit sandwich they have created by their own stupidity....ignoring the fact that its always....about the economy stupid, not left wing gossip. ;)
 
Micawber said:
Bush the lesser was not the sharpest tool in the shed at Potus' go, but not an evil, selfish, paranoid, demagogic, misogynist, racist, manipulative, bullying, mean spirited, overconfident narcissist.
I'll take wait and see on the bottom of the barrel trophy after it's over.
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Yes. Bush knew he was an idiot, and he let Cheney run things. trump isn't intelligent enough to know that he's an idiot, so he stumbles around aimlessly, making decisions based on recent polling....as if he were running a game show.
 
Darth Omar said:
It's the economy stupid.

The working class and Rust Belt voters could care less about poll numbers. We learned that last time, right?

It's going to be 'do you really want to go back to the Obama economy?'. That's going to be a hard sell for democrats.
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The rust belt fell for 'much better insurance, at a fraction of the cost'....and 'we're going to bring the jobs back to this country'.

The rust belt isn't going to rebound under this POTUS, who doesn't even use American made steel in his projects. Stupid as they are, they will still realize they've been duped.

Remember...it was Independents who went from Bernie to trump that gave him the rust belt. He's going to lose the corn belt when he undoes NAFTA
 
Obama may not be THE worse, but he is top 5 worse for sure.

However a strong argument could be made for THE worst if you factor in his divisiveness along racial lines.
He single handedly set back race relations at least 40 years, and that damage to the country is immeasurable. Whereas state of the union economics, fiscal responsibility, standing in world order, etc are.

His damage to our stability on the world stage, his lack of understanding on economics related to our economic recovery, the doubling of the debt under his watch are all documented unrefuted proof he should have a place at the top of the mantle with some of the worst if not the worst of the 45.
 
Bill said:
Thoughts??

I recall many ppl declaring bush the lesser the worst or all time. That still hold true?
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I still put "W" worse than Rump. W, sent us to Iraq needlessly killing over 4000 of Americas volunteer military and countless innocent Iraqi's.

The exact number of American Military killed is in black on my signature line as a reminder of the political cost of electing an inept trust fund baby to the Presidency.
 
Both Trust fund babies who never would have gotten where they are without Daddy's money.

Thats all the Republicans can get these days... Since Reagan all Republican Presidents have been Trust Fund babies.
 
Hillary would be nowhere if she hadn't married Bill. She doesn't have a tenth of Bill's political acumen. Democrats were told by me long before the election that Hillary was the wrong candidate at the wrong time.

It is hilarious that the democrat party holds two contradictory beliefs. One is that Hillary was the most qualified candidate in history. Yet they say she was one of the most flawed candidates in history.

You guys willingly ran her. You guys ignored the signs. Now you live with the results


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I Love America said:
Hillary would be nowhere if she hadn't married Bill. She doesn't have a tenth of Bill's political acumen. Democrats were told by me long before the election that Hillary was the wrong candidate at the wrong time.

It is hilarious that the democrat party holds two contradictory beliefs. One is that Hillary was the most qualified candidate in history. Yet they say she was one of the most flawed candidates in history.

You guys willingly ran her. You guys ignored the signs. Now you live with the results


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I love how you jump ASAP to Hillary!

She is terrible at campaigning. She is terrible at making a personal connection with voters. Her Husband was both an asset and a liability.

She was clearly the most experienced candidate ever. Id say the most qualified because in the end, being a good campaigner is not what matters. Being good at PR and managing the media image is not what makes a good president.. as we can see today!
 
Jarod said:
I still put "W" worse than Rump. W, sent us to Iraq needlessly killing over 4000 of Americas volunteer military and countless innocent Iraqi's.

The exact number of American Military killed is in black on my signature line as a reminder of the political cost of electing an inept trust fund baby to the Presidency.
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never mind that he verified no WMD's. And set a precedent to what happens to a defiant dictator that oppresses his people for generations and also decides to defy UN resolutions pertaining to Weapons of Mass destruction.
The sacrifice of those "voluntary military" would make you wet your pants if you had a clue, any clue to what they meant to the security of our being. Go be goofy somewhere else but don't use our sacrifice to make one of your sissy political points.

You pantie wearing do nothings can translate the Iraqi war any way you would like until the cows come home, you still look ignorant to the State of affairs as they stood post 9/11.
 
Getin the ring said:
never mind that he verified no WMD's. And set a precedent to what happens to a defiant dictator that oppresses his people for generations and also decides to defy UN resolutions pertaining to Weapons of Mass destruction.
The sacrifice of those "voluntary military" would make you wet your pants if you had a clue, any clue to what they meant to the security of our being. Go be goofy somewhere else but don't use our sacrifice to make one of your sissy political points.

You pantie wearing do nothings can translate the Iraqi war any way you would like until the cows come home, you still look ignorant to the State of affairs as they stood post 9/11.
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No such precedent was set. In fact what happened in Iraq is exactly what emboldened Kim of Korea. He, or his people, know there is no political will to commit the same error in Korea, we are not going to send boots over there unless he directly attacks us, and without boots, he can get away with what he is doing.

The American people have a short memory, but not so short that they will allow Rump to pull an Iraq in Korea.

Get over yourself... what happened in Iraq weakened America, not strengthened us.
 
Jarod said:
No such precedent was set. In fact what happened in Iraq is exactly what emboldened Kim of Korea. He, or his people, know there is no political will to commit the same error in Korea, we are not going to send boots over there unless he directly attacks us, and without boots, he can get away with what he is doing.

The American people have a short memory, but not so short that they will allow Rump to pull an Iraq in Korea.

Get over yourself... what happened in Iraq weakened America, not strengthened us.
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I still agree with taking out Hussein. I disagree with Congress not declaring war as is their constitutional duty and I disagree with not flattening Iraq. We should have killed as many as possible including civilians. We should have destroyed the place and then just left. It would have been a lesson to all. Same with Afghanistan.
 
I Love America said:
I still agree with taking out Hussein. I disagree with Congress not declaring war as is their constitutional duty and I disagree with not flattening Iraq. We should have killed as many as possible including civilians. We should have destroyed the place and then just left. It would have been a lesson to all. Same with Afghanistan.
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That attitude in WW1 is what created Nazi Germany. We should try to learn from history.
 
I Love America said:
I still agree with taking out Hussein. I disagree with Congress not declaring war as is their constitutional duty and I disagree with not flattening Iraq. We should have killed as many as possible including civilians. We should have destroyed the place and then just left. It would have been a lesson to all. Same with Afghanistan.
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"Hearts & minds."

What a twisted strategy that would have been. Completely counter-productive to any goal we could possibly have, stated or unstated.

You should refrain from discussions on foreign policy.
 
For anyone still in doubt, the lesson from Iraq is this: war is a last resort, and only when there is an immediate threat to homeland security.

We don't go to war when there are other options on the table. We don't go to war to try to "reshape a region." We don't go to war when there is no direct threat to our security.

Iraq was a textbook case of why war should ONLY be a last resort. We went from Cheney's "6 months" to 10+ years. When you go to war, you open a Pandora's Box of possibilities.
 
Thing1 said:
For anyone still in doubt, the lesson from Iraq is this: war is a last resort, and only when there is an immediate threat to homeland security.

We don't go to war when there are other options on the table. We don't go to war to try to "reshape a region." We don't go to war when there is no direct threat to our security.

Iraq was a textbook case of why war should ONLY be a last resort. We went from Cheney's "6 months" to 10+ years. When you go to war, you open a Pandora's Box of possibilities.
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There is no winner in war, only different degrees of loss.
 
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