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Words of wisdom from Dwight D. Eisenhower
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The “Social Security problem” is a fake crisis manufactured by two different interests.
First, ideological conservatives for whom any government-run social insurance program must be eliminated because it’s “socialism” — and especially if it happens to be a success!
Social Security is a standing rebuke to the ideologues who believe that government is always evil.
Second, the Wall Street financiers who would love to get their hands on that wonderful stream of money, to profit from the endless fees they would charge to manage private accounts.
Never mind that they’d subject everyone’s future to the tender mercies of the market.
Social Security is one of the few remaining bulwarks against the USA becoming a Third World country for most of its inhabitants.
Any minor demographic problems — more retirees, fewer workers — can be resolved by eliminating the income cap on FICA and, if necessary, adding a means test so those with incomes above a very high threshold would see their Social Security payments go back into the fund.
http://www.galesburg.com/opinions/x8414633/Roundtable-Solving-Social-Security
First, ideological conservatives for whom any government-run social insurance program must be eliminated because it’s “socialism” — and especially if it happens to be a success!
Social Security is a standing rebuke to the ideologues who believe that government is always evil.
Second, the Wall Street financiers who would love to get their hands on that wonderful stream of money, to profit from the endless fees they would charge to manage private accounts.
Never mind that they’d subject everyone’s future to the tender mercies of the market.
Social Security is one of the few remaining bulwarks against the USA becoming a Third World country for most of its inhabitants.
Any minor demographic problems — more retirees, fewer workers — can be resolved by eliminating the income cap on FICA and, if necessary, adding a means test so those with incomes above a very high threshold would see their Social Security payments go back into the fund.
http://www.galesburg.com/opinions/x8414633/Roundtable-Solving-Social-Security
Bfgrn
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We know that legislative corrections are required and some HAVE already been passed. The Affordable Health care Act has addressed some of the costs. The CBO ran two scenarios remember???
Federal Debt Held by the Public (Percentage of GDP)
The chart show 2 scenarios. For all practical purposes, you can call the Extended-Baseline Scenario is the Democrat scenario and the Alternative Fiscal Scenario the Teapublican PEA BRAIN scenario.
The Extended-Baseline Scenario adheres closely to current law. Under this scenario, the expiration of the tax cuts enacted since 2001 and most recently extended in 2010, the growing reach of the alternative minimum tax, the tax provisions of the recent health care legislation, and the way in which the tax system interacts with economic growth would result in steadily higher revenues relative to GDP.
The Alternative Fiscal Scenario
The budget outlook is much bleaker under the alternative fiscal scenario, which incorporates several changes to current law that are widely expected to occur or that would modify some provisions of law that might be difficult to sustain for a long period. Most important are the assumptions about revenues: that the tax cuts enacted since 2001 and extended most recently in 2010 will be extended; that the reach of the alternative minimum tax will be restrained to stay close to its historical extent; and that over the longer run, tax law will evolve further so that revenues remain near their historical average of 18 percent of GDP. This scenario also incorporates assumptions that Medicare’s payment rates for physicians will remain at current levels (rather than declining by about a third, as under current law) and that some policies enacted in the March 2010 health care legislation to restrain growth in federal health care spending will not continue in effect after 2021.
Bfgrn
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WHAT changes Damo? Just say it: CUTS to the benefits of elderly Americans on fixed incomes.
So tell me Damo, HOW do you propose these elderly Americans on fixed income PAY for these huge out of pocket costs? Do you know of any other way for grandma to come up with the money, other than getting a job?
Paul Ryan's plan dumps seniors into a Medicare exchange with private plans that have higher costs than traditional Medicare — both because of higher “administrative costs (including profits) and payment rates to providers”. By 2030, a typical 65-year-old’s total health care spending would be 68 percent under his proposal, instead of 25 percent under the extended-baseline scenario.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
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That badly broken up transcript is somehow evidence of WHAT to you?
As I stated, health care started going down hill fast with the advent of the HMO/PPO models. That coupled with government involvement via Medicare/Medicaid led to sky rocketing costs.
cawacko
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We know that legislative corrections are required and some HAVE already been passed. The Affordable Health care Act has addressed some of the costs. The CBO ran two scenarios remember???
Federal Debt Held by the Public (Percentage of GDP)
The chart show 2 scenarios. For all practical purposes, you can call the Extended-Baseline Scenario is the Democrat scenario and the Alternative Fiscal Scenario the Teapublican PEA BRAIN scenario.
The Extended-Baseline Scenario adheres closely to current law. Under this scenario, the expiration of the tax cuts enacted since 2001 and most recently extended in 2010, the growing reach of the alternative minimum tax, the tax provisions of the recent health care legislation, and the way in which the tax system interacts with economic growth would result in steadily higher revenues relative to GDP.
The Alternative Fiscal Scenario
The budget outlook is much bleaker under the alternative fiscal scenario, which incorporates several changes to current law that are widely expected to occur or that would modify some provisions of law that might be difficult to sustain for a long period. Most important are the assumptions about revenues: that the tax cuts enacted since 2001 and extended most recently in 2010 will be extended; that the reach of the alternative minimum tax will be restrained to stay close to its historical extent; and that over the longer run, tax law will evolve further so that revenues remain near their historical average of 18 percent of GDP. This scenario also incorporates assumptions that Medicare’s payment rates for physicians will remain at current levels (rather than declining by about a third, as under current law) and that some policies enacted in the March 2010 health care legislation to restrain growth in federal health care spending will not continue in effect after 2021.
The health care act has already been taken into account in this report. These conclusions include the health care act. So even with the health care act Medicare and Medicaid are on an unsustainable path.
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The Almighty
You never can answer with your own words can you? Always cut and paste.... you remind me of Cypress. He was unable to formulate his own thoughts and opinions either. He simply cut and paste from whatever source he could find that might support what he wanted to say. he also enjoyed obscure websites like the one you just linked to.
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yep, i was right, he did in fact ignore this and has completely changed his thread topic after he realized he was wrong.
typical bfgrn tactic.
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The fact that none of the conservative deniers addressed the evidence I posted is proof that they are ashamed to admit their true agenda, IMO.
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you posted proof that substantiates the OP? cite.
Bfgrn
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Hey Yurt, even in your absolute all or none polarized little mind, you can't ignore the words of LEADERS of the GOP.
Republican Leader Eric Cantor Says He Opposes Keeping Social Security Around
In a incredibly revealing moment that exposed the radical House Republican agenda, Republican Leader Eric Cantor (VA-07) said that “we have to come to grips” with the fact that Social Security “cannot exist” any longer. House Republicans have begun pushing forward on budget proposals that include privatization of Social Security on Wall Street and cuts to benefits for senior citizens. Recently, House Speaker John Boehner called for cuts to benefits.
Background
Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor Opposes Continuing Social Security: “We’re going to have to come to grips with the fact that these programs cannot exist if we want America to be what we want America to be.” [NPR, 3/29/11]
Republican Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan and House Speaker John Boehner have made clear they intend to push forward a plan that privatizes Social Security and dismantles Medicare. [AP, 3/11/11; Wall Street Journal, 3/4/11]
Majority Leader Eric Cantor said Paul Ryan’s roadmap and the plan to privatize Social Security and dismantle Medicare is “something we need to embrace.” [The Hill, 1/23/11]
Plan Would ‘Destroy’ Medicare and Social Security. The National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare discussing the Ryan/Republican plan wrote, “In short, it is a budget plan which decimates Social Security and Medicare in the name of deficit reduction. The only thing new about this strategy, is the fact that Rep. Ryan isn’t shy about acknowledging that he believes seniors should foot the bill for our current economic nightmare…Destroying Social Security and Medicare, under the guise of deficit reduction, isn’t about creating sound economic policy it’s just more of the same old privatization politics, rewrapped, repackaged and rejected by the American people just two years ago.” [NCPSSM, 2/3/10]
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Captain Cut and Paste is back.... with the same Cut and Paste from before.... one that was already demolished.
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"This is the largest tax bill in history," the Republican leader fumed. The reform "is unjust, unworkable, stupidly drafted and wastefully financed."
And that wasn't all. This "cruel hoax," he said, this "folly" of "bungling and waste," compared poorly to the "much less expensive" and "practical measures" favored by the Republicans.
"We must repeal," the GOP leader argued. "The Republican Party is pledged to do this."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031902636.html
And that wasn't all. This "cruel hoax," he said, this "folly" of "bungling and waste," compared poorly to the "much less expensive" and "practical measures" favored by the Republicans.
"We must repeal," the GOP leader argued. "The Republican Party is pledged to do this."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031902636.html
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1. i've already debunked this
2. let's assume arguendo that this is proof that ryan wants to get rid of SS. that is ONE person, not a party. your OP states a party, you claim the GOP, ryan does not compromise the gop. further, it is clear they merely want to privatize it, not "abolish" it.
3. you still have not provided a shred of evidence for the other programs you dishonestly claim the GOP wants to abolish.
4. you will now lie, change the topic and proclaim yourself the winner.
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2nd time:
cite where you have provided evidence to support the OP.
prediction:
you won't because you're a cowardly lying troll.
cawacko
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Exactly. And using headlines from randon left-wing websites as if that somehow backs up what he is saying.
Bfgrn
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Any cognizant adult can assemble that conversation and glean the meaning, let me help you:
Ehrlichman: “Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason he can do it, all the incentives are toward less medical care, because the less care they give them (patients), the more money they (Permanente) make. And the incentives run the right way.”
President Nixon: “Fine.”
President Nixon: “Not bad.”
"Nixon was the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life. He lied to his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues in the Congress, lifetime members of his own political party, the American people and the world."
Barry Goldwater
Bfgrn
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Hey pea brain, if I am presenting proof that Republicans want to end SS, can you tell me another way than to C&P Republican leader's words?
Bfgrn
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Both sites were able to expose the FACT your author has a math parameters problem.