Wisconsin to decertify 2020 election

BartenderElite said:
I definitely get that. But then part of me thinks that Putin gets that - and our fear of it gives him a license to go well beyond the Ukraine, knowing that the west is too afraid of what he might do if they try to stop him.

That's not the greatest alternative, either. It's as complicated as it gets. This isn't like bluffing in poker, where the worst that happens is that you lose a few bucks.

I have no solution on this one. I just hate to see him getting away w/ this, every single day. He's just murdering people and destroying lives.
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Then we ALL need to encourage peace talks and negotiations. They cant be ONE SIDED either or they fail. There must be something in it for all sides or it doesnt work. Theres your answer. THAT.......or we are all fucked. Simple as that. Which one ya want? :thinking: Pride...EGO.......Or a World? A deal can be struck if it benefits everyone.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Give it up. Move on. Trump is done. Stick a fork in him. His comments on Putin and the Ukraine have made him completely untenable as a National Candidate.

The fables you guys hold dear too have been dismissed as the whining of sore losers due to you’re complete failure to provide independently verified evidence. In fact the objective independently verified evidence we do have supports the complete opposite conclusion.

Trump is a has been and as a Demagogue is a spent force.

The only real consideration that time will have to answer is how much damage he has done to our civil institutions.

But the reality is Trump and his authoritarianism is on the historical ash heap of bad ideas.
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IMO, the whole mess still has one last gasp in it; one major attempt to overthrow the country or blow up a Federal Daycare Center. We, the People have both a hot summer and a heated election. The RWers will start ramping put violent talk about the Democrats and the subset of violent fucking morons in the militias will take that as a green light to do something about it.
 
BartenderElite said:
That's a lazy argument.

Like I said - this is the fight of our time. I don't care if you believe me or not, but I have actually thought about going over there to volunteer. It's a mistake to think that this is just about the Ukraine, or that Putin has any plans to stop there.

Putin is old school, KGB. He's been planning this for years. He wants the Soviet Union back.
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You might consider hooking up with the Red Cross, religious or any of the other refugee group. You'll still be helping plus then you'd be there. You could make contact with people who are going back into Ukraine and let them show you the path.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
LOL Biden a well known mediocrity was preferred to Trump. That ain’t no glitch. That’s a measure of how intensely Trump is disliked by the majority.

About 50% of those who voted for Biden thought he was a mediocrity that was our best available shot at getting Trump and his Un-American ideology and dangerous attacks on our civil institutions out of office.

No person who voted for Trump can rightly (no pun intended) can consider themselves an American Conservative.
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how do you feel about the court decisions in WI and PA stating that the election violated the constitution......are you okay with that?.....
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
He always has been yet they worship him anyways. Do you think he'll try to run in 2024?
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He's going to say he's running to squeeze $$$ donations from his cult but he'll quit before the election if he's running behind in the polls and he'll keep the cash.
My biggest fear is he'll tell Mitch & Kevin McClowns to make him the Republican nominee or else he'll run for president as an independent and split the Republican vote, guaranteeing the Dems four more years in the White House.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you should look at the evidence submitted in the WI case where the court decided that the 2020 election was unconstitutional....
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Why? It's obviously not been found to be bullshit since the Wisconsin Supreme Court shot it down with this: "While this court must not shrink back from deciding challenging or politically fraught questions properly before us, neither should we be eager to insert ourselves at the expense of time-tested judicial norms".


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Poor Richard Saunders said:
Where can we find this court ruling you think exists?
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Like the OP, PmP thinks if he writes it, it must be true.

Wisconsin isn't decertifying the election. The court case was overturned by the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

https://apnews.com/article/wisonsin-supreme-court-trump-lawsuit-e6b3aa222b4141c0844d541c4b041964
In the 4-3 ruling, the court’s three liberal justices were joined by conservative swing Justice Brian Hagedorn who said three of Trump’s four claims were filed too late and the other was without merit. The ruling ends Trump’s legal challenges in state court.
 
Matt Dillon said:
That's no glitch, that's a lie. Biden was not preferred, and got less votes and then Democrats "stopped counting" and cheated enough to make it look like Biden got more votes, but he did not.

I'm not saying you told that lie, but the media did, and social media suppressed anyone that thought different.

Biden couldn't win until the total votes for his opponent were tallied because that's the number that had to be beat by the cheating.

Because they knew he lost. While they had a decent measure of fraudulent votes ready and waiting, there were many more votes for the opposition than they anticipated, so they had to "stop counting" and manufacture cheating votes for 2+ weeks to get the

number they wanted.
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Sure he was, sure he was. The only problem with that argument is you have utterly no independently verifiable evidence to support your claim and court after court, many of them presided over by Republican Jurist have thrown those arguments out cause you have no evidence.

I’m fact they have proven the opposite and your claims are essentially an Un-American and border line treasonous attack on our Democratic institutions.

Let’s be honest, it’s not Biden you hate, it’s American Democracy you hate and we need to look no further than your support of Putin’s lackey Trump for evidence of that and with that you Trumpsters and your radicalism have destroyed our nations conservative political party.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Sure he was, sure he was. The only problem with that argument is you have utterly no independently verifiable evidence to support your claim and court after court, many of them presided over by Republican Jurist have thrown those arguments out cause you have no evidence.

I’m fact they have proven the opposite and your claims are essentially an Un-American and border line treasonous attack on our Democratic institutions.

Let’s be honest, it’s not Biden you hate, it’s American Democracy you hate and we need to look no further than your support of Putin’s lackey Trump for evidence of that and with that you Trumpsters and your radicalism have destroyed our nations conservative political party.
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The situation speaks for itself if you have a logical mind and aren't as susceptible as most to media propaganda. :dunno:

They say "baseless claims" = You parrot it.

Do you really think it makes sense that Joe Biden would get more votes than Obama? C'mon man! You know...the thing!

Btw, you're not fact, k? The Democratic institution was attacked by Democrats in 2020. I'd say the same thing if the people that did it had the name of "Republicans".

The election was cheated, period.

How come Republicans gained overwhelmingly in everything except the presidency?

That's not downticket Democrat voting. :nono:

Millions of unverified ballots with nothing but Biden circled. Yet they got counted.
 
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Dutch Uncle said:
IMO, the whole mess still has one last gasp in it; one major attempt to overthrow the country or blow up a Federal Daycare Center. We, the People have both a hot summer and a heated election. The RWers will start ramping put violent talk about the Democrats and the subset of violent fucking morons in the militias will take that as a green light to do something about it.
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I don’t think so. I think with the advent of the Ukrainian situation the Trumpsters have shown their true colors for their hatred of America and its Democratic institutions and their preference for an all powerful despot, like Putin, as their Fuerher.
 
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