Wisconsin Power Play!

Bump for the libtards, too afraid to answer this question:

Why shouldn't I have had the option not to join the union in the first place?
 
NigelTufnel said:
Union representation of employees is not mob rule. In fact, it is the republican form of government in the workplace. The employees elect to have the union represent them.

It's hilarious given the amount of time you spend bitching about government spending and your claims that public sector employees are more highly compensated than their private sector counterparts. If that were true, you'd still be a state employee, no?
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they don't elect them...i was in a union when i was younger and i had zero choice and we never had elections. if i wanted the job, i had to join the union and they took my money and likely spent it on causes i don't agree with.
 
NigelTufnel said:
No, I said that I support the results of even-handed participatory democracy in the workplace and that an elected union serves in a representative capacity for the employees. There is no conflict between those two concepts.




Yeah, but I thought you said that you sought alternative employment to obtain higher compensation, no?
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So are you saying that a union is a democracy or a republican form of representation? It certainly is not even-handed with respect to the point that I am making: a worker's choice to join a union or not.

When I first got out of college I had no ties to anything except my loans, therefore the highest salary was my only concern. Obviously, priorities change.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Because your fellow workers decided that they wanted to be represented by the union. You could have tried to convince your colleagues that representation by the union was not in their best interests if you so desired and sought to have the union decertified.
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then you of course support the part of the bill that calls for yearly elections to determine if the employees still want to be part of the union. if not yearly, every two years?
 
Yurt, I'll get around to responding to your insipid nonsense when you get around to coughing up my $500, you crawfishing asshat.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Yurt, I'll get around to responding to your insipid nonsense when you get around to coughing up my $500, you crawfishing asshat.
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can't address simple concepts huh...

fine, go down the dishonest road and ignore my explanations....talk about obsessive, are you now going to talk about this in every thread? pity you can't be honest and admit i was just making fun of onceler and did not mean it. you apparently think when people kid others, they really mean it....:rolleyes:
 
Damn Yankee said:
So are you saying that a union is a democracy or a republican form of representation? It certainly is not even-handed with respect to the point that I am making: a worker's choice to join a union or not.
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It isn't an either-or proposition. Unions are the democratically elected representative of the workforce.


Damn Yankee said:
When I first got out of college I had no ties to anything except my loans, therefore the highest salary was my only concern. Obviously, priorities change.
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But I thought you said you left to obtain compensation commensurate with your worth as an employee.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Again, the option would be to work for that employer without having to join the union. Why do you hate free choice?
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Yeah, I hear you man. Where is my option to earn eleventy billions bucks a year for drinking beer and sitting poolside? Why do you hate free choice by not providing me my preferred alternative to my current employment situation?
 
Yurt said:
can't address simple concepts huh...

fine, go down the dishonest road and ignore my explanations....talk about obsessive, are you now going to talk about this in every thread? pity you can't be honest and admit i was just making fun of onceler and did not mean it. you apparently think when people kid others, they really mean it....:rolleyes:
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NigelTufnel said:
Yeah, I hear you man. Where is my option to earn eleventy billions bucks a year for drinking beer and sitting poolside? Why do you hate free choice by not providing me my preferred alternative to my current employment situation?
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that is not free choice, that is forcing others to fund your opulant lifestyle...you know, what dictators do

false analogy
 
NigelTufnel said:
It isn't an either-or proposition. Unions are the democratically elected representative of the workforce.




But I thought you said you left to obtain compensation commensurate with your worth as an employee.
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There was never any election that I took part in.

Actually what I said was: "a state government job was paying the best money for guys right out of college and I took the job then left, seeing the dead-end career path."

In other words, I didn't want a dead-end career path.
 
Workers of the world, unite! is one of the most famous rallying cries of Communism, found in The Communist Manifesto (1848), by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels

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All together now....1,2,3....
 
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NigelTufnel said:
Yeah, I hear you man. Where is my option to earn eleventy billions bucks a year for drinking beer and sitting poolside? Why do you hate free choice by not providing me my preferred alternative to my current employment situation?
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I'm not stopping you from finding an employer who will do that for you, man.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Again, the option would be to work for that employer without having to join the union. Why do you hate free choice?
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I think this is just simple job envy. The ones complaining the loudest are likely the ones who are in some po' man's job making slighly above minimum wage and are furious they can't get their fellow workers to unite and insist on representation.

It's more of the same crying over what someone else has worked for and got, while the lazy ones just sit on their a$$es with their hands out.

People don't get a free ride unless the contract provides for said free ride. Being an employee in a union run company doesn't make you a better educated or harder and more deserving employee. Hard work, good ethics, and reliability do that.

Unions protect lousy employees by the millions, but that's okay. They're the protected welfare recipients of organized labor and we carry these slackers as they drive our worker compensation premiums through the roof while sloughing off their work onto the backs of their fellow employees due to their excessive rate of absenteeism. But heck. That's okay. The union included these slackers when they negotiated their contract.

Just bleed the company out! They bargained for it!
 
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