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History has proven you wrong time and time again Dix. Besides, you're the biggest nut on this board.

Actually, capitalism is responsible for more economic prosperity than man has ever known, and socialism is responsible for more human despair. History has proven this true, time and time again. I might be the biggest nut, but at least I'm not the goofiest, you've got that title locked up!
 
...labor is prior to, and independent of, capital; that, in fact, capital is the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed; that labor can exist without capital, but that capital could never have existed without labor. Hence they hold that labor is the superior – greatly the superior – of capital. They do not deny that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital."

A. Lincoln
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, September 30, 1859

Aren't you radical wingnuts glad Lincoln is not alive today?
 
Sorry for posting this again but Booyah forced me.

It always pisses me off when you economic royalists try to lie and change history. The so called 'socialist experiment' or communist unions you love to berate actually built the wealth and power of the U.S. in the decades after the WWII and is responsible for YOUR high standard of living. You ungrateful brainwashed, diddo head. Roosevelt provided a balanced playing field for labor which has been under attack by you corporatists ever since. Reagan declared war on the middle class in the 80's and our standard of living is now under full assault by the Koch Brothers and their multinational communist sponsors. They are sucking that wealth to the top which will inevitably drive down YOUR standard of living to that of the average Indonesian. Capitalism is NOT Democracy, learn the difference. If you want to learn what will happen with the unrestricted capitalism that you want, study the Robber Baron era, or see how labor was treated in the early to middle part of the 20th century.

"A coal miner in West Virginia generally lived in a company town. He woke up in a company bed situated in a company house. He washed himself with water drawn from a company well and ate breakfast prepared with food bought at the company store. Everything consumed or used by his family came from the company, purchased on credit. The credits used during the pay period only rarely failed to add up to less than the paycheck (paid not in United States currency, but company script.) In debt from his first day on the job, the entire system was geared towards keeping him and his family that way.

The miner had free speech, but what happened after he spoke could give him serious trouble. Many companies employed the firm Baldwin and Felts to provide mine guards. These guards dispensed retribution against “rabble-rousers” and “outside agitators” who came in talking about unions. One town even featured a Gatling gun mounted upon the front porch of a company official’s home. Companies figured that they could increase their control by importing miners from a variety of areas such as Russia, southern Italy, and Austria-Hungary. They came from countries with oppressive systems; also living in a strange country with different customs and languages increased their isolation. In fairness, company towns ran the spectrum from benevolently paternalistic societies to absolutely dictatorial rule. Increasingly the system turned its aims towards preventing unions from organizing the region."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/coal-mine.htm

Booyah, put your brain in gear before engaging your mouth. The conservative ideology has not changed in over 100 years, cheap/slave labor is what the Republicon party is and has been all about. They have no patriotism and don't give a shit about America.

Lets not get movie fiction mixed up with reality.....
Unions may have saved a lot of lives of miners and got workers more humane treatment but lets not get carried away with their accomplishments....
These "workers" would have starved without jobs of some kind.
Life was hard for everyone, not only miners. Imagine the plight of women and children where they was no one to offer them some kind of job at any wage....or food, or a blanket for winter....and consider that these "workers" were immigrants that left an even worse life to come here.
 
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So, CrashK, WikiPedia is incorrect?

How?

Because you have been brainwashed by corporate media. You only know the history of labor that's told thru corporate propaganda. You know nothing of the struggle economic slaves fought in order to achieve the now dead 'American Dream'.

Don't fucking talk to me about communists. The right in this country is arm-in-arm with the communist chinese and want the U.S. to become more like china in government and society. One party government, slave labor and an ultra-rich ruling class.
 
Lets not get movie fiction mixed up with reality.....
Unions may have saved a lot of lives of miners and got workers more humane treatment but lets not get carried away with their accomplishments....
These "workers" would have starved without jobs of some kind.
Life was hard for everyone, not only miners. Imagine the plight of women and children where they was no one to offer them some kind of job at any wage....or food, or a blanket for winter....and consider that these "workers" were immigrants that left an ever worse life to come here.

see post #23
 
Because you have been brainwashed by corporate media. You only know the history of labor that's told thru corporate propaganda. You know nothing of the struggle economic slaves fought in order to achieve the now dead 'American Dream'.

Don't fucking talk to me about communists. The right in this country is arm-in-arm with the communist chinese and want the U.S. to become more like china in government and society. One party government, slave labor and an ultra-rich ruling class.

This is just a huge flat out LIE. The right, and conservatives in general, want every man to enjoy the prosperity of capitalist free market economics. It's true we want corporations to make a lot of profits, a lot of profits means they pay more taxes! We also want laborers to make good wages, because again, the more they make, the more taxes they pay! What we DON'T want, is a society where no one works, very few are productive, and our debt knows no limits. We DON'T want a government-run economy, where the government determines who makes what, and guarantees everyone benefits, whether they can pay for them or not. These are SOCIALIST measures, and they have proven to be FAILURES time and time again around the globe.

It is YOUR policies which ENSLAVE people! You want Government to be our masters! It doesn't matter one whit to you, if a man has a great idea or talent, he shouldn't be allowed to capitalize on that, he should have to forfeit the fruit of his imagination to the greater good, to help the collective. It is through this dismal outlook, socialist societies FAIL! What is the point in building a better mouse trap, if the government is going to take that from you and never allow you to realize the profits from your idea? Why not just be lazy and unproductive? The government is going to take care of you all the same, so why does it matter if you work hard? You have embarked on abject stupidity, due to your total ignorance of history and lack of understanding regarding capitalism and socialism. In your rather simple mind, you THINK we are better off letting government be our nanny, when the TRUTH is, we are better off with government out of our way, and allowing capitalist ventures to flourish and thrive.
 
crash are you rich?

It's none of your business how much money I have accumulated in my life. I will tell you though I'm over 55 and my girlfriend is 13 years younger than me and her title is Scientist. My oldest son graduated Suma Cum Laude in political science with a minor in Middle Eastern Affairs and works in that field and my youngest son is a proud union member. If you want more of my personal info check out my photos. You see, a person's brain power and worth is not about money no matter how much you have or don't have. There are more things in life than money.
 
see post #23
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.......labor is noble....but I'd bet my last capitalistic ruble that all the labor most of us could muster up wouldn't be enough to feed us for the next month without capitalists....its no longer the 1800's, so
Thank your god that you have some kind of talent or service to offer those capitalists that are willing and able to give you an opportunity to buy your next carrot ......
 
It's none of your business how much money I have accumulated in my life. I will tell you though I'm over 55 and my girlfriend is 13 years younger than me and her title is Scientist. My oldest son graduated Suma Cum Laude in political science with a minor in Middle Eastern Affairs and works in that field and my youngest son is a proud union member. If you want more of my personal info check out my photos. You see, a person's brain power and worth is not about money no matter how much you have or don't have. There are more things in life than money.

I was curious cause you don't know dick about the economy.
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.......labor is noble....but I'd bet my last capitalistic ruble that all the labor most of us could muster up wouldn't be enough to feed us for the next month without capitalists....its no longer the 1800's, so
Thank your god that you have some kind of talent or service to offer those capitalists that are willing and able to give you an opportunity to buy your next carrot ......

The radical conservatives today want to take us back to the 1880's. That's why all the union busting and why they are against education.
The problem with capitalists is they don't want to give labor their fair share of the profits. It's good to have money to buy carrots but when you can only buy 1/3 of a carrot (Dont get involved Dixie) while the capitalist eats the whole garden then something is wrong. This happens when capitalism isn't regulated by government and held in check by unionized labor.

Listen, if you want corporations to be multinational worldwide and hire the cheapest labor they can find then ALL labor must be organized worldwide or the same thing will happen again that happened in the 1880s. Christ! someone recently wanted to do away with child labor laws! We're already on the road back to 1880 if conservatives have their way.
 
LOFL Crash the horse left the barn decades ago. Kudo's on sounding like a russian with that problem with capitalist rant.
 
The radical conservatives today want to take us back to the 1880's. That's why all the union busting and why they are against education.
The problem with capitalists is they don't want to give labor their fair share of the profits. It's good to have money to buy carrots but when you can only buy 1/3 of a carrot (Dont get involved Dixie) while the capitalist eats the whole garden then something is wrong. This happens when capitalism isn't regulated by government and held in check by unionized labor.

Listen, if you want corporations to be multinational worldwide and hire the cheapest labor they can find then ALL labor must be organized worldwide or the same thing will happen again that happened in the 1880s. Christ! someone recently wanted to do away with child labor laws! We're already on the road back to 1880 if conservatives have their way.

No one wants to take us back to the 1800s, or rid the world of unions. These are over-dramatic emotes from someone who is watching his political power base erode before his very eyes. You've become desperate and ridiculous. In a lame attempt to try and save your failed socialist ideology, you have resorted to absurd alarmist claims and fear tactics, just like a good little commie!
 
Don't you guys get it? Wisconsin, Egypt, Ohio, Fla, Lybia, Tunisia, it's all the same protest. People around the world are realizing that their livelihoods have been shipped to china by the same multinational corporations that you, Limbaugh, Beck and Bachmann support.
 
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