Wisconsin Power Play!

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Last week, in the face of protest demonstrations against Wisconsin’s new union-busting governor, Scott Walker — demonstrations that continued through the weekend, with huge crowds on Saturday — Representative Paul Ryan made an unintentionally apt comparison: “It’s like Cairo has moved to Madison.”

It wasn’t the smartest thing for Mr. Ryan to say, since he probably didn’t mean to compare Mr. Walker, a fellow Republican, to Hosni Mubarak. Or maybe he did — after all, quite a few prominent conservatives, including Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Rick Santorum, denounced the uprising in Egypt and insist that President Obama should have helped the Mubarak regime suppress it.

In any case, however, Mr. Ryan was more right than he knew. For what’s happening in Wisconsin isn’t about the state budget, despite Mr. Walker’s pretense that he’s just trying to be fiscally responsible. It is, instead, about power. What Mr. Walker and his backers are trying to do is to make Wisconsin — and eventually, America — less of a functioning democracy and more of a third-world-style oligarchy. And that’s why anyone who believes that we need some counterweight to the political power of big money should be on the demonstrators’ side.

Some background: Wisconsin is indeed facing a budget crunch, although its difficulties are less severe than those facing many other states. Revenue has fallen in the face of a weak economy, while stimulus funds, which helped close the gap in 2009 and 2010, have faded away.

In this situation, it makes sense to call for shared sacrifice, including monetary concessions from state workers. And union leaders have signaled that they are, in fact, willing to make such concessions.

But Mr. Walker isn’t interested in making a deal. Partly that’s because he doesn’t want to share the sacrifice: even as he proclaims that Wisconsin faces a terrible fiscal crisis, he has been pushing through tax cuts that make the deficit worse. Mainly, however, he has made it clear that rather than bargaining with workers, he wants to end workers’ ability to bargain.

The bill that has inspired the demonstrations would strip away collective bargaining rights for many of the state’s workers, in effect busting public-employee unions. Tellingly, some workers — namely, those who tend to be Republican-leaning — are exempted from the ban; it’s as if Mr. Walker were flaunting the political nature of his actions.

Why bust the unions? As I said, it has nothing to do with helping Wisconsin deal with its current fiscal crisis. Nor is it likely to help the state’s budget prospects even in the long run: contrary to what you may have heard, public-sector workers in Wisconsin and elsewhere are paid somewhat less than private-sector workers with comparable qualifications, so there’s not much room for further pay squeezes.

So it’s not about the budget; it’s about the power.

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the few influential players in our political system representing the interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the wealthy. Indeed, if America has become more oligarchic and less democratic over the last 30 years — which it has — that’s to an important extent due to the decline of private-sector unions.

And now Mr. Walker and his backers are trying to get rid of public-sector unions, too.

There’s a bitter irony here. The fiscal crisis in Wisconsin, as in other states, was largely caused by the increasing power of America’s oligarchy. After all, it was superwealthy players, not the general public, who pushed for financial deregulation and thereby set the stage for the economic crisis of 2008-9, a crisis whose aftermath is the main reason for the current budget crunch. And now the political right is trying to exploit that very crisis, using it to remove one of the few remaining checks on oligarchic influence.

So will the attack on unions succeed? I don’t know. But anyone who cares about retaining government of the people by the people should hope that it doesn’t.

By PAUL KRUGMAN

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The idea here is to bust all unions and turn this country into a banana republic.
(For Booyha: Banana republic is a term that refers to a politically unstable country dependent upon limited agriculture (e.g. bananas), and ruled by a small, self-elected, wealthy, corrupt politico-economic plutocracy or (oligarchy).

Busting the unions, which built the wealth and middle class of this country, has always been at the core of right wing corporate beliefs. Why all of a sudden has this become a major issue? Walker is just following orders from his bosses and the leaders of the Republicon party, the Koch Brothers.

"The unions are not to blame for the deficit, and stripping unionized workers of their collective bargaining rights won't in and of itself save any money. Walker says he needs to strip the unions of their rights to close the gap. But public safety officers' unions, which have members who are more likely to support Republicans and who also tend to have the highest salaries and benefits, are exempted from the new rules."
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/whats-happening-wisconsin-explained
I guess some pigs are more equal than others.

What we have here is billionaires and their toadies attempting to destroy American society for their own personal gain.
 
democrats better find something else to hold on too, the Unions (like buggywhips) have outlived thier usefullness.
 
we know you hate working people and the middle class and we know you love one party rule and economic slavery you don't have to flaunt it.
 
there ya go making assumptions about me again. If you are so educated why are you so stupid?

I'm not here to impress GED's.

Why do you not think democrats could benefit by being tied to more than unions who are dying off.
Don't republicans have multiple large constituencies. NRA, Chamber of commerce, Bankers, Religious etc.:whoa:
 
Topspuk,
Why do you believe in economic slavery for Americans like we had before the New Deal? Why do you want working people to have no say in their work place and government?
Why do you back your communist Chinese masters and bow to the Koch brothers?
Why do you believe in an American cast system.

Oh I forgot you don't care about anything but money. Sorry for asking questions your brainwashing won't allow you to answer.
 
Topspuk,
Why do you believe in economic slavery for Americans like we had before the New Deal? Why do you want working people to have no say in their work place and government?
Why do you back your communist Chinese masters and bow to the Koch brothers?
Why do you believe in an American cast system.

Oh I forgot you don't care about anything but money. Sorry for asking questions your brainwashing won't allow you to answer.

why were your parents ok with public school
why are you gay
 
I ask serious questions and your brainwashing won't let you answer. You can make yourself feel better by insulting someone but you're still a toadie to the conservative ideology that is destroying this country. You sir are a psycho.
 
I ask serious questions and your brainwashing won't let you answer. You can make yourself feel better by insulting someone but you're still a toadie to the conservative ideology that is destroying this country. You sir are a psycho.

Crashtard, why so defensive. I'm pro union, wish I was in one.
You didn't argue any facts I put up you just went on a rant.

Democrats need more than unions. PERIOD
why would that be bad if they had more support.
 
I ask serious questions and your brainwashing won't let you answer. You can make yourself feel better by insulting someone but you're still a toadie to the conservative ideology that is destroying this country. You sir are a psycho.

LMFAOoo.. You're the psycho talking about economic slavery, and banana republics! Do you really believe that pro-capitalist conservative ideas are going to turn us into economic slaves or a banana republic? If so, you are out of your goddamn little mind. I sure as hell wouldn't be attempting to psychoanalyze others!
 
Labor history of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Great labor leaders included Jimmy Hoffa, gansgters, and assorted Communists and Socialists.

Sorry for posting this again but Booyah forced me.

It always pisses me off when you economic royalists try to lie and change history. The so called 'socialist experiment' or communist unions you love to berate actually built the wealth and power of the U.S. in the decades after the WWII and is responsible for YOUR high standard of living. You ungrateful brainwashed, diddo head. Roosevelt provided a balanced playing field for labor which has been under attack by you corporatists ever since. Reagan declared war on the middle class in the 80's and our standard of living is now under full assault by the Koch Brothers and their multinational communist sponsors. They are sucking that wealth to the top which will inevitably drive down YOUR standard of living to that of the average Indonesian. Capitalism is NOT Democracy, learn the difference. If you want to learn what will happen with the unrestricted capitalism that you want, study the Robber Baron era, or see how labor was treated in the early to middle part of the 20th century.

"A coal miner in West Virginia generally lived in a company town. He woke up in a company bed situated in a company house. He washed himself with water drawn from a company well and ate breakfast prepared with food bought at the company store. Everything consumed or used by his family came from the company, purchased on credit. The credits used during the pay period only rarely failed to add up to less than the paycheck (paid not in United States currency, but company script.) In debt from his first day on the job, the entire system was geared towards keeping him and his family that way.

The miner had free speech, but what happened after he spoke could give him serious trouble. Many companies employed the firm Baldwin and Felts to provide mine guards. These guards dispensed retribution against “rabble-rousers” and “outside agitators” who came in talking about unions. One town even featured a Gatling gun mounted upon the front porch of a company official’s home. Companies figured that they could increase their control by importing miners from a variety of areas such as Russia, southern Italy, and Austria-Hungary. They came from countries with oppressive systems; also living in a strange country with different customs and languages increased their isolation. In fairness, company towns ran the spectrum from benevolently paternalistic societies to absolutely dictatorial rule. Increasingly the system turned its aims towards preventing unions from organizing the region."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/coal-mine.htm

Booyah, put your brain in gear before engaging your mouth. The conservative ideology has not changed in over 100 years, cheap/slave labor is what the Republicon party is and has been all about. They have no patriotism and don't give a shit about America.
 
LMFAOoo.. You're the psycho talking about economic slavery, and banana republics! Do you really believe that pro-capitalist conservative ideas are going to turn us into economic slaves or a banana republic? If so, you are out of your goddamn little mind. I sure as hell wouldn't be attempting to psychoanalyze others!

History has proven you wrong time and time again Dix. Besides, you're the biggest nut on this board.
 
Pinheads will never comprehend that it was capitalists and corporations that made this country the great super power it is and made us the envy of the world, where even the poorest among us enjoy a better standard of living than the middle and upper middle class of a large portion of the rest of the world....
 
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