KingCondanomation
New member
The left seems in full uproar over what they are doing, making it look like the Repubs are being draconian, extreme and anti-union.
Some things I'd mention.
1. Many states already limit collective bargaining, and some like North Carolina, Texas and Virginia already ban it.
2. The state often treats absolute vital emergency public sector groups differently than others and is wise to do so because they are counting on protests, likely some violence and cannot have needed security unavailable.
Yes that coincides with how these groups were the few that support Republicans but that should not suggest payback but rather a consequence of naturally siding with an ideology that supports LIMITED government and those completely essential services that go along with it - like police.
3. I've heard pro-corporation accusations thrown around, but these are restrictions on PUBLIC-sector unions, they have nothing to do with corporations. In fact if you want to look at political donations, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees was the biggest contributor to political campaigns in 1989-2004.
4. There are no market forces when dealing with public sector unions, if GM's union refuses to bend to allow concessions then GM could go bankrupt and people lose jobs, if public sector unions refuse to bend they are dealing with the government which would never go bankrupt and has far less pressure to meet their demands.
5. Pay and benefits have grown twice as fast in the public sector as they have in the private sector. The average teacher pay is over 6 figures in Milwaukee for crying out loud:
http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/
After all these reforms are passed, we all know that the public sector employees are still going to be doing significantly better than in the private sector, the reforms are really not a big deal. They just became a flashpoint for aggrieved leftists from the last election setbacks.
Some things I'd mention.
1. Many states already limit collective bargaining, and some like North Carolina, Texas and Virginia already ban it.
2. The state often treats absolute vital emergency public sector groups differently than others and is wise to do so because they are counting on protests, likely some violence and cannot have needed security unavailable.
Yes that coincides with how these groups were the few that support Republicans but that should not suggest payback but rather a consequence of naturally siding with an ideology that supports LIMITED government and those completely essential services that go along with it - like police.
3. I've heard pro-corporation accusations thrown around, but these are restrictions on PUBLIC-sector unions, they have nothing to do with corporations. In fact if you want to look at political donations, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees was the biggest contributor to political campaigns in 1989-2004.
4. There are no market forces when dealing with public sector unions, if GM's union refuses to bend to allow concessions then GM could go bankrupt and people lose jobs, if public sector unions refuse to bend they are dealing with the government which would never go bankrupt and has far less pressure to meet their demands.
5. Pay and benefits have grown twice as fast in the public sector as they have in the private sector. The average teacher pay is over 6 figures in Milwaukee for crying out loud:
http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/
After all these reforms are passed, we all know that the public sector employees are still going to be doing significantly better than in the private sector, the reforms are really not a big deal. They just became a flashpoint for aggrieved leftists from the last election setbacks.
