Will Trump be on your ballot?

Jarod

Jarod

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I’m willing to bet some secretaries of state are going to decide Trump is inelegance for the ballot due to The 14th Amendment prohibitions about people serving as president who have joined in conspiracy against the United States.

All State Secretaries of State might be asked to make a determination.

If that happens it will be decided by the Roberts Court!
 
Jarod said:
I’m willing to bet some secretaries of state are going to decide Trump is inelegance for the ballot due to The 14th Amendment prohibitions about people serving as president who have joined in conspiracy against the United States.

All State Secretaries of State might be asked to make a determination.

If that happens it will be decided by the Roberts Court!
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They can't unless he is convicted of insurrection.

That trial will not be done before the election.

If he is convicted it doesn't matter what they want, he will automatically be disqualified.

So it doesn't matter what they want.
 
Jarod said:
I’m willing to bet some secretaries of state are going to decide Trump is inelegance for the ballot due to The 14th Amendment prohibitions about people serving as president who have joined in conspiracy against the United States.

All State Secretaries of State might be asked to make a determination.

If that happens it will be decided by the Roberts Court!
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The same court that claims voter suppression and vote fixing is fine as long as it's done on the state level.

This should be interesting.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
They can't unless he is convicted of insurrection.

That trial will not be done before the election.

If he is convicted it doesn't matter what they want, he will automatically be disqualified.

So it doesn't matter what they want.
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Not true
 
Althea said:
The same court that claims voter suppression and vote fixing is fine as long as it's done on the state level.

This should be interesting.
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The state courts will make the initial determination, but I suspect it will go all the way to the United States Supreme Court to determine what they think the 14th amendment actually means., Like who decides he committed treason or sedition, does it have to be a criminal conviction or not, for example.
 
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Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
They can't unless he is convicted of insurrection.

That trial will not be done before the election.

If he is convicted it doesn't matter what they want, he will automatically be disqualified.

So it doesn't matter what they want.
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What makes you believe that the constitution requires a criminal conviction?
 
Jarod said:
The state courts will make the initial determination, but I suspect it will go all the way to the United States Supreme Court to determine what they think the 14th amendment actually means., Like who hast to decide he committed, treason or sedition, doesn’t have to be a criminal conviction or not, for example.
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Yes. And the rogue SC will contridict itself when it overrules a state court w/respect to election issues.
 
Althea said:
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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Notably does not say one who is convicted of to be convicted, just “engaged” in insurrection.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Yes it is.

Trump hasn't committed insurrection until determined by a court of law.
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Then why didn’t the framers of the 14th amendment say “convicted of” instead of “engaged in”?

I assume they chose the words very carefully.
 
Jarod said:
Notably does not say one who is convicted of to be convicted, just “engaged” in insurrection.
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Thus, the quote. ;)

You don't really expect that guy Jeanine Pirro to say that on Fox, though. Do you?

Now that T.V dinner boy is gone, Tink has to rely on trans women for her info.
 
Althea said:
Well, the SC demanded that Alabama change their racist voting districts, and Alabama chose to ignore the court.

Perhaps other states should follow suit?
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I don’t think you’ve heard the end of that yet.
 
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