Will they show the footage from 9/11 on the anniversary?

Not the terror attacks, but the worst hurricane to ever make landfall in
Alabama? 9/11/1979 Hurricane Frederic... This marks the first hurricane
responded to by FEMA, that should make it noteworthy enough for anniversary celebration. Before Jimmy
Carter made FEMA an agency, the responsibility for disaster relief in
America was sketchy. Now, we fully understand, if the federal government isn't there to save us, it's because of the president.

It's interesting, five years after 9/11, and we're told "it's too soon" to see movies about 9/11, yet the very same people will rush to show footage of Katrina, and re-live it for a week on prime time. It's almost as if they have a 'political agenda' or something.

In honor of our recently found need to celebrate the anniversaries of
hurricanes, I felt compelled to note a few other hurricanes we should add to
the 'calendar of events' in the coming days. MSNBC and CNN could actually do
a special each night, on their anniversaries....

Sept. 1- Hurricane Carol (1954) --Struck the NE coast with 120 m.p.h.
winds, leaving dozens of fatalities in her wake. In 1990 dollars, the total
storm damage from Carol was $2,370,215,000, the 10th costliest hurricane in
U.S. history.

Sept. 2- Labor Day Hurricane 1935-- The full life history of the hurricane
that devastated some of the Florida Keys on the afternoon and night of Labor
Day, September 2, 1935, covers almost 2 weeks. It is believed to be the
lowest recorded Mb level in the western hemisphere, but instruments were not
always accurate in that time.

Sept. 3, 1821: One of the most violent hurricanes on record. The eye passed over Norfolk,VA then moved northeast along the New Jersey coast onto Long Island. The effects of this storm, actually formed the Hatteras and Oregon
Inlets in North Carolina.


Sept. 4- Hurricane Donna (1960) --Donna holds the record for retaining "major hurricane" status (category 3 or greater on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale) in the Atlantic Basin for the longest period of time on record. For nine days, September 2 to September 11, Donna consistently had sustained winds of at least 115 mph. From the moment it became a tropical depression to when it dissipated after becoming an extratropical storm, Donna roamed the Atlantic from August 29 to September 14, a total of 17 days. While crossing the Atlantic Donna briefly achieved Category 5
strength. It effected every single state on the eastern seaboard of the US.

Sept. 5- Unnamed Hurricane (1667)-- According to the writing of Virginia colonists, The Chesapeake Bay rose 12 feet, probably widening the Lynnhaven River. Jamestown saw 10,000 houses blown down and the storm washed away the foundation of Fort George at Old Point Comfort. Twelve days of rain was said to have followed this storm.

Sept. 6- Hurricane 'Dog' (1950) While crossing the Lesser Antilles,
Hurricane Dog brought strong winds and rain. The islands of Antigua and
Barbuda reported $1 million in damage to houses, roads, trees, and power
lines. 2 people were killed when their boat sank. Though it never made
landfall in New England, passing over 100 miles away, its strong winds still
caused 12 casualties, 11 by sinking boats. Damage amounted to $2 million.

Sept. 7- Hurricane Easy (1951) The fifth hurricane in the season and was
described by literature at the time as the Cedar Keys Hurricane. It
developed over the western Caribbean Sea from a trough of low pressure left
behind by Baker. It formed on September 1 south of the western tip of Cuba,
and drifted northeastward, crossing Cuba on the 3rd as a minimal hurricane.
The next day, it strengthened to a major hurricane while moving
north-northwest, which was followed by a tight loop where Easy reached its
peak of 130 mph winds. Easy again moved to the northeast, approaching the
coast of Florida. It again looped, this time near Cedar Key, Florida. It
slowly moved southeastward through Florida, weakening to a tropical storm on
the 6th. Easy finally moved northwestward through the state, and on the 9th,
it dissipated over extreme eastern Arkansas. It caused $3.3 million dollars
in damage (1950 USD) and 2 deaths. The low damage was due to the sparse
population of the area it hit.

And finally.... culminating in the Grande Finale...

Sept. 8- The Great Galveston Hurricane (1900) Galveston, TX destroyed
completely. Massive loss of life, bodies washed ashore for weeks... they burned the corpses in pyres... it was total inexperience and incompetence on part of the new
government weather agency, NOAA, and Isaac Cline would be the only person
anyone tried to lay the blame on, a couple of months after this, the
Republican president, William McKinley, was re-elected to a second term, and
Democratic challenger, William Jennings Bryan, never even thought about
blaming the president for failing to act.

It's a shame I didn't realize we were celebrating hurricane anniversaries
earlier, I could have thrown a party for Camille on August 17th! At 190 mph
and under 27 mb, it was the most intense hurricane to ever make landfall in
the US.

There are several reasons these hurricanes deserve recognition over Katrina.
In every instance listed, the state and local government dealt with the
responsibility, not the Federal Government. Most of these hurricanes took
place in a time before our country felt compelled to blame the president for
the lack of federal response, it was assumed the state and local officials
would work to evacuate their people and be prepared for these disasters.
Charity has always been huge in America, and people have always given to
those in need, and indeed, our government began disaster relief in the wake
of fires that destroyed cities in 1800's, but the government never has
assumed responsibility for the safety and welfare of persons in a state,
this responsibility has always resided with state and local government, as the
first responders.

The storms listed also have something in common over Katrina... none of them were responded to by presidential issuance of disaster declaration, the day before they made landfall. This happened for the first time in history, under President Bush. With several of the hurricanes listed above, there was no federal assistance at all. Not to be callous, but the Constitution makes no such provision for federal disaster relief, and until recently, it wasn't expected until way after the disaster. Thanks to Jimmy Carter, we can now expect the federal government to take care of us in a hurricane. If it fails to do so, we can blame the president... whoever it is at the time. And if they don't protect us, we can throw annual celebrations of the anniversary, make a big deal out of it, and use it for political advantage. No more, blaming it on the Weather Guy!
 
Dixie, according to your post, FEMA was made a government agency (and thus under the command of the POTUS) under Carter. None of the other hurricanes you mentioned occurred after the Carter administration.

After the Carter admin, hurricane rescue is the responsibility of the POTUS so Bush was responsible for the relief and rescue mission, through FEMA.

That the POTUS didn't became involved in hurricanes prior to FEMA's incorporation into the POTUS' authority doesn't negate Bush's responsibility.

Nice attempt at deflecting responsibility for your man though....
 
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I disagree with you about the help of the federal govenment not being there for hurricanes until carter set up FEMA.

In 1938 New England had a devastating Hurricane that killed over 600 people, it was called the Long Island Express...

New england and Long Island was destroyed by storm surge, it hit during the Autumn Equinox full moon where the tides were already really high....and most of all the roads/bridges were knocked out...

So President Roosevelt sent help to the region via the NEW DEAL and put thousands of Americans to work, cleaning up the area and rebuilding their roads and their bridges and their ports...

It was near impossible to get in to the region to help because of all of the damage and trees that were brought down, so Roosevelt commissioned the Airlines to fly in the New Deal civilians to the local new england airports to help with the clean up....

The airlines at that time were in business to transport our usa mail and was not used for civilian travel hardly at all...

But from this point on, after the airlines, commissioned by FDR flew in all of those people from the south and the west to help new englanders after this hurricane, Airlines began commercial travel...via the bequest of all of the Americans that got a chance to fly in to new england to help the hurricane victims...

And again, that was via the NEW DEAL.....
 
The storms listed also have something in common over Katrina... none of them were responded to by presidential issuance of disaster declaration, the day before they made landfall!

Dixie, look at the dates of the hurricanes you cited: 1667, 1821, 1900, 1935.....

Surely you're aware that there was no such thing as doppler radar or a national weather service back then, which could have "alerted" the president to an approaching hurricane?
 
In 1938 New England had a devastating Hurricane that killed over 600 people, it was called the Long Island Express...

Did anyone blame FDR for not responding fast enough to save these people?

If you read what I posted, you will see I give credit for the Feds helping in disaster relief, as early as the 1800's. Despite the lack of basis in the Constitution, we have always felt compelled to help our neighbors in time of need, that has never changed, and I would never suggest it should. Indeed, Arnold is correct, until Carter formed FEMA, the Feds really had no responsibility or obligation, they helped, as they always have, but they weren't expected to save the people from danger or rescue those who didn't evacuate. Now, of course, we understand the government's role, and we've established that the POTUS is ultimately responsible for disasters. I just hope we'll remember this when a Democrat is president. I have my doubts.
 
The storms listed also have something in common over Katrina... none of them were responded to by presidential issuance of disaster declaration, the day before they made landfall!

Dixie, look at the dates of the hurricanes you cited: 1667, 1821, 1900, 1935.....

Surely you're aware that there was no such thing as doppler radar or a national weather service back then, which could have "alerted" the president to an approaching hurricane?

Did anyone blame FDR for not responding fast enough to save these people?

Read previous response. No FEMA, do doppler radar, no national weather service in 1935. Surely you were aware of this? Right?
 
The storms listed also have something in common over Katrina... none of them were responded to by presidential issuance of disaster declaration, the day before they made landfall!

Dixie, look at the dates of the hurricanes you cited: 1667, 1821, 1900, 1935.....

Surely you're aware that there was no such thing as doppler radar or a national weather service back then, which could have "alerted" the president to an approaching hurricane?


It doesn't change the fact stated. We certainly had dopper radar and the NWS before Katrina, yet that was the first time in history a president issued national disaster declaration before the storm made landfall.
 
Translation: You set up a phony strawman, and expressed faux-outrage, that FDR or the President in 1821 didn't warn the people or take action the day before the hurricanes hit land.
 
Did anyone blame FDR for not responding fast enough to save these people?

Read previous response. No FEMA, do doppler radar, no national weather service in 1935. Surely you were aware of this? Right?


Did we have Doppler radar and the NWS in 1979, when hurricane Frederic obliterated the Alabama coast? Did we have it when Camille slammed Biloxi? I don't recall presidents being blamed before Katrina, yet the president's responsibility is to issue a national disaster declaration, to put FEMA resources into action, and with Katrina, this was done before the storm made landfall, which again, was unprecedented.
 
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Dixie: The storms listed also have something in common over Katrina... none of them were responded to by presidential issuance of disaster declaration, the day before they made landfall!

Cypress: Dixie, look at the dates of the hurricanes you cited: 1667, 1821, 1900, 1935.....

Surely you're aware that there was no such thing as doppler radar or a national weather service back then, which could have "alerted" the president to an approaching hurricane?


Dixie: It doesn't change the fact stated. We certainly had dopper radar and the NWS before Katrina, yet that was the first time in history a president issued national disaster declaration before the storm made landfall.

Every hurrican you cited was between the years 1667 and 1960 at the latest.

We didn't even have weather sattelites back then. You were aware of this, weren't you?
 
Did we have Doppler radar and the NWS in 1979, when hurricane Frederic obliterated the Alabama coast? Did we have it when Camille slammed Biloxi? I don't recall presidents being blamed before Katrina, yet the president's responsibility is to issue a national disaster declaration, to put FEMA resources into action, and with Katrina, this was done before the storm made landfall, which again, was unprecedented.

LOL. Now you had to scramble to change your original post! LOL

Your first post cited hurricanes between 1667 and 1960. You asked why those hurricanes weren't responded to earlier by presidents.

You're boy fucked up katriana Dixie. Everyone knows it. Deal with it.
 
Translation: You set up a phony strawman, and expressed faux-outrage, that FDR or the President in 1821 didn't warn the people or take action the day before the hurricanes hit land.

Hey retard, slow down and stop posting the same shit over and over again. READ what I posted in response, and let it soak into your PINHEAD! We have had PLENTY of hurricanes since the invention of Doppler! Before Katrina, no president had EVER issued national disaster orders BEFORE the storm made landfall! It never happened! Now, I know, in your retarded state, you honestly think that before Doppler, we simply didn't know about hurricanes until they made landfall, but this is just plain ignorance. Until Katrina, the "proper protocol" was for the storm to hit, the governor then requests Federal assistance, and THENNNNNnnnnn... the President issues a national disaster order! It's the way we did it in every hurricane before Katrina, many of which, we also had Doppler, and knew there was going to be a hurricane.
 
this was your ORIGINAL post. Stop backpedaling away from it:

The storms listed also have something in common over Katrina... none of them were responded to by presidential issuance of disaster declaration, the day before they made landfall!

The ones "listed" were betwenn 1667 and 1960 - before satellites, and doppler radar
 
Every hurrican you cited was between the years 1667 and 1960 at the latest.

We didn't even have weather sattelites back then. You were aware of this, weren't you?

Yes, I was aware of this. We also didn't have FEMA and we didn't think it was the President's responsibility to rescue the people who failed to evacuate! This was not because we had no way of detecting hurricanes, if you study the subject, you will find that we have been forecasting hurricanes, tracking and identifying them, LONG before we had satellites or Doppler.
 
Good. We're done.

So, you were wrong in asserting that hurricanes between 1667 and 1960 could have been predicted by any president ("the day before it hit" as you said) in an era before satellites and radar.
 
well maybe they bring it up b/c everyone messed it up so bad and nothing is fixed... i mean its New Orleans... its warm there all year round they could be building in December... why are there area's still flooded?? i mean billions have been poured in there, whats the problem...
 
In 1938 New England had a devastating Hurricane that killed over 600 people, it was called the Long Island Express...

Did anyone blame FDR for not responding fast enough to save these people?

If you read what I posted, you will see I give credit for the Feds helping in disaster relief, as early as the 1800's. Despite the lack of basis in the Constitution, we have always felt compelled to help our neighbors in time of need, that has never changed, and I would never suggest it should. Indeed, Arnold is correct, until Carter formed FEMA, the Feds really had no responsibility or obligation, they helped, as they always have, but they weren't expected to save the people from danger or rescue those who didn't evacuate. Now, of course, we understand the government's role, and we've established that the POTUS is ultimately responsible for disasters. I just hope we'll remember this when a Democrat is president. I have my doubts.
YES! IT WAS A HUGE SCANDAL! meybe that's why he sent in the new deal troopers to help, IMMEDIATELY!

Long island, and new england blamed the deaths of the 600 plus people on the government/fdr for NOT WARNING THEM about the hurricane....they were only given gail warnings......not a hurricane warning.
 
We also didn't have FEMA and we didn't think it was the President's responsibility to rescue the people who failed to evacuate!

But after Carter initated FEMA as a government department, the POTUS did become responsible.

You are comparing times when the POTUS wasn't responsible to times when he was?
 
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The Mayor of NO needs shooting.

Watching a BBC report 'a year on', millions have been spent on reconstruction and in the business district much money has been spent on planting new giant palm trees despite the fact that in the poorer districts (lower 9th?) nothing has even been done to restore power or water. A YEAR on.

I also find it shocking that many people in NO whose homes have been destroyed by the hurricane are still being held responsible for paying mortgages on the homes that have gone.

Shocking.
 
Good. We're done.

So, you were wrong in asserting that hurricanes between 1667 and 1960 could have been predicted by any president ("the day before it hit" as you said) in an era before satellites and radar.


Where did you go to school? Hurricanes have been being tracked and predicted for centuries, dufuss! Sometimes WEEKS before they make landfall. Do you think the people before Doppler just had no clue about the weather? Did they just think hurricanes magically appeared out of nowhere? Maybe they thought God had sent his wrath for their wrong-doings? What a stupid moron! Presidents didn't issue national disaster orders after the hurricane hit because they weren't aware there was a hurricane until after it hit, idiot! They didn't so so, because this wasn't how the Federal government was obligated to respond. It still isn't, for that matter, it's just that many idiotic people like you, think they are supposed to save us!
 
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