Will the State or Federal Gov’t prosecute Trump?

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“Will Donald Trump go to prison for asking a Georgia official to ‘find’ him votes?”

“How easy it’s going to be to prosecute him for asking the secretary of state of Georgia to “find” 11,780 votes.”

“Trump’s meaning was perfectly clear: Find me enough ballots to put me just one vote ahead of my opponent. Overturn my defeat. The official tally had Joe Biden winning Georgia by 11,779 votes.”

“In situations like this one, prosecutors generally need to prove intent. In this instance they would presumably need to persuade jurors that Trump knew he was asking Raffensperger to cheat or to commit fraud or to meddle with legitimate election results. That’s what I’d want to find out if I was a juror.”

“But here’s the problem: Everything Trump said on the call suggests he was merely asking for a wrong to be righted and that he truly believed — correctly or not — the votes had been stolen from him.”

“If you take his words at face value, they suggest that he thought he’d been robbed and wanted Raffensperger to make things right, not that he was intentionally soliciting Raffensperger to commit election fraud.”

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...d-raffensperger-11780-fani-willis-votes-crime

In other words, just like Russian collision, Trump’s Ukrainian “perfect call,” and even Trump’s attempted precoup speech on the morning of 1/6, it could come down to proving Trump’s intent, what was he hoping to accomplish based upon his words

Of course all evidence proves Trump knew by 1/2 that the Big Lie was a Big Lie, even his own staff told him so, but proving he knew it to an entire jury won’t be an easy task

Don’t be surprise if the Fulton County DA or DOJ doesn’t indite nor prosecute Trump, not worth the effort nor handing him/Fox the attention, which will just like the situations I noted above, lead the MAGA militia to echo he did nothing wrong, was totally innocent, innocent like OJ

 

[Lionfish]

“Will Donald Trump go to prison for asking a Georgia official to ‘find’ him votes?”

“How easy it’s going to be to prosecute him for asking the secretary of state of Georgia to “find” 11,780 votes.”

“Trump’s meaning was perfectly clear: Find me enough ballots to put me just one vote ahead of my opponent. Overturn my defeat. The official tally had Joe Biden winning Georgia by 11,779 votes.”

“In situations like this one, prosecutors generally need to prove intent. In this instance they would presumably need to persuade jurors that Trump knew he was asking Raffensperger to cheat or to commit fraud or to meddle with legitimate election results. That’s what I’d want to find out if I was a juror.”

“But here’s the problem: Everything Trump said on the call suggests he was merely asking for a wrong to be righted and that he truly believed — correctly or not — the votes had been stolen from him.”

“If you take his words at face value, they suggest that he thought he’d been robbed and wanted Raffensperger to make things right, not that he was intentionally soliciting Raffensperger to commit election fraud.”

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...d-raffensperger-11780-fani-willis-votes-crime

In other words, just like Russian collision, Trump’s Ukrainian “perfect call,” and even Trump’s attempted precoup speech on the morning of 1/6, it could come down to proving Trump’s intent, what was he hoping to accomplish based upon his words

Of course all evidence proves Trump knew by 1/2 that the Big Lie was a Big Lie, even his own staff told him so, but proving he knew it to an entire jury won’t be an easy task

Don’t be surprise if the Fulton County DA or DOJ doesn’t indite nor prosecute Trump, not worth the effort nor handing him/Fox the attention, which will just like the situations I noted above, lead the MAGA militia to echo he did nothing wrong, was totally innocent, innocent like OJ

Poor anchovies, you people are a sorry lot.

 

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Poor anchovies, you people are a sorry lot.

I’d say that Trump going down big in his last election, coupled with his midterm disasters, and totally discrediting himself with his Big Lie bullshit, pretty much “got” Trump, even now his loyal allies as Murdoch are dissing him

 

[Yakuda]

“Will Donald Trump go to prison for asking a Georgia official to ‘find’ him votes?”

“How easy it’s going to be to prosecute him for asking the secretary of state of Georgia to “find” 11,780 votes.”

“Trump’s meaning was perfectly clear: Find me enough ballots to put me just one vote ahead of my opponent. Overturn my defeat. The official tally had Joe Biden winning Georgia by 11,779 votes.”

“In situations like this one, prosecutors generally need to prove intent. In this instance they would presumably need to persuade jurors that Trump knew he was asking Raffensperger to cheat or to commit fraud or to meddle with legitimate election results. That’s what I’d want to find out if I was a juror.”

“But here’s the problem: Everything Trump said on the call suggests he was merely asking for a wrong to be righted and that he truly believed — correctly or not — the votes had been stolen from him.”

“If you take his words at face value, they suggest that he thought he’d been robbed and wanted Raffensperger to make things right, not that he was intentionally soliciting Raffensperger to commit election fraud.”

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...d-raffensperger-11780-fani-willis-votes-crime

In other words, just like Russian collision, Trump’s Ukrainian “perfect call,” and even Trump’s attempted precoup speech on the morning of 1/6, it could come down to proving Trump’s intent, what was he hoping to accomplish based upon his words

Of course all evidence proves Trump knew by 1/2 that the Big Lie was a Big Lie, even his own staff told him so, but proving he knew it to an entire jury won’t be an easy task

Don’t be surprise if the Fulton County DA or DOJ doesn’t indite nor prosecute Trump, not worth the effort nor handing him/Fox the attention, which will just like the situations I noted above, lead the MAGA militia to echo he did nothing wrong, was totally innocent, innocent like OJ

It will never happen.

 

[Concart]

C. All of the above.

Trump is screwed, and so is the GOP. He will take EVERYONE down with him. There are sitting US Congressmen who are going to be indicted. Probably a Senator or two as well. This is going to be epic, after all the shit we've taken from these morons. And they will do NOTHING except go to work the next day and feel like the chumps that they are.

 

[Yakuda]

C. All of the above.

Trump is screwed, and so is the GOP. He will take EVERYONE down with him. There are sitting US Congressmen who are going to be indicted. Probably a Senator or two as well. This is going to be epic, after all the shit we've taken from these morons. And they will do NOTHING except go to work the next day and feel like the chumps that they are.

Concunt is all "excited" people. Probably loading up on lotion and tissue. Too bad it will be left high and dry

 

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It will never happen.

Ah, never said it would, and in fact, even showed you why it might not be, but then again they don’t have to, just lay out the case and let the American public decide

If Trump wins the GOP nomination every sordid details and fact on Trump with his Big Lie and 1/6 role will be echoed continuously

 

[Yakuda]

Ah, never said it would, and in fact, even showed you why it might not be, but then again they don’t have to, just lay out the case and let the American public decide

If Trump wins the GOP nomination every sordid details and fact on Trump with his Big Lie and 1/6 role will be echoed continuously

It will never happen

Echoed continuously? Wtf do you think has been happening the last almost 7 years now?

 

[Concart]

“Will Donald Trump go to prison for asking a Georgia official to ‘find’ him votes?”

“How easy it’s going to be to prosecute him for asking the secretary of state of Georgia to “find” 11,780 votes.”

“Trump’s meaning was perfectly clear: Find me enough ballots to put me just one vote ahead of my opponent. Overturn my defeat. The official tally had Joe Biden winning Georgia by 11,779 votes.”

“In situations like this one, prosecutors generally need to prove intent. In this instance they would presumably need to persuade jurors that Trump knew he was asking Raffensperger to cheat or to commit fraud or to meddle with legitimate election results. That’s what I’d want to find out if I was a juror.”

“But here’s the problem: Everything Trump said on the call suggests he was merely asking for a wrong to be righted and that he truly believed — correctly or not — the votes had been stolen from him.”

“If you take his words at face value, they suggest that he thought he’d been robbed and wanted Raffensperger to make things right, not that he was intentionally soliciting Raffensperger to commit election fraud.”

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...d-raffensperger-11780-fani-willis-votes-crime

In other words, just like Russian collision, Trump’s Ukrainian “perfect call,” and even Trump’s attempted precoup speech on the morning of 1/6, it could come down to proving Trump’s intent, what was he hoping to accomplish based upon his words

Of course all evidence proves Trump knew by 1/2 that the Big Lie was a Big Lie, even his own staff told him so, but proving he knew it to an entire jury won’t be an easy task

Don’t be surprise if the Fulton County DA or DOJ doesn’t indite nor prosecute Trump, not worth the effort nor handing him/Fox the attention, which will just like the situations I noted above, lead the MAGA militia to echo he did nothing wrong, was totally innocent, innocent like OJ

Here's the problem with that logic. Trump was told multiple times by his advisors, family, friends, cabinet members etc. that the election was not stolen. Willful ignorance is not a dodge for criminal intent. The other thing that's missing to us is what others testified to grand jury.

It's very clear that the grand jury recommended indicting Trump. Trump must be indicted or there is no more rule of law. What the MAGA idiots might do in reaction should not be any part of the consideration. We either indict people for clear criminal violations or we don't. Not indicting Trump on multiple charges would be a disaster for public confidence in the system.

 

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C. All of the above.

Trump is screwed, and so is the GOP. He will take EVERYONE down with him. There are sitting US Congressmen who are going to be indicted. Probably a Senator or two as well. This is going to be epic, after all the shit we've taken from these morons. And they will do NOTHING except go to work the next day and feel like the chumps that they are.

Wouldn’t be so sure of that, as usually works in these cases, some low lying subordinate takes the fall

As I’ve said before, Trump’s army of lawyers and accountants will keep any legal procedure delayed, appealed, and postponed out beyond Trump’s lifeline, and he ‘ll have a major TV Network arguing his case regardless of what he is accused of or done

 

[Concart]

Wouldn’t be so sure of that, as usually works in these cases, some low lying subordinate takes the fall

As I’ve said before, Trump’s army of lawyers and accountants will keep any legal procedure delayed, appealed, and postponed out beyond Trump’s lifeline, and he ‘ll have a major TV Network arguing his case regardless of what he is accused of or done

If he's indicted, that's good enough for me. Let him delay all he wants. But not bothering is unacceptable. It has to happen, or the rule of law is over.

 

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Here's the problem with that logic. Trump was told multiple times by his advisors, family, friends, cabinet members etc. that the election was not stolen. Willful ignorance is not a dodge for criminal intent. The other thing that's missing to us is what others testified to grand jury.

It's very clear that the grand jury recommended indicting Trump. Trump must be indicted or there is no more rule of law. What the MAGA idiots might do in reaction should not be any part of the consideration. We either indict people for clear criminal violations or we don't. Not indicting Trump on multiple charges would be a disaster for public confidence in the system.

I understand the argument, and it is true, hard to argue that he didn’t know it was a lie, but keep in mind, you have to convince every jury sitting on the jury that Trump fully realized it was a lie and he knowingly asked to have the election altered, not an easy task if one person sitting there judge it directly from what was said in the phone call, “takes his words at face value”

 

[Stone]

Trump going to jail? I'll just say it like this.......

Surrrrrrrrrrrrrre he is...

 

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If he's indicted, that's good enough for me. Let him delay all he wants. But not bothering is unacceptable. It has to happen, or the rule of law is over.

In the MAGA militia, the “rule of law” is subjective, how else would anyone else seriously characterize 1/6 as a regular tourist day at the Capitol

Trump, along with many on the right, have pretty much torn down and ridiculed nearly every institution in the Government, the Law is just another example

 

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Trump going to jail? I'll just say it like this.......

Surrrrrrrrrrrrrre he is...

As I just explained to your fellow MAGA militia there “red tsunami,” Trump has already lost, his embarrassment in 2020 plus humiliation over his Big Lie debacle has pretty much confined him to his Xanadu in Florida

 

[Nordberg]

Trump has committed crimes by the truckload. He is guilty of wrongdoing repeatedly in the classified documents that he stole. He hid them, lied to the FBI and copied the docs onto a computer for future sales.
Trump has no chance in Georgia for his criminal attempt to try and get the Secretary of State to overthrow a fair and honest election. His phone calls are on tape.
His organizing an insurrection is another crime he did.
He also paid off women he had affairs with to keep quiet breaking election laws. The Atty he made do the deed, went to jail for 3 years. Person number one will be number 2 in that case.

 

[Jarod]

“Will Donald Trump go to prison for asking a Georgia official to ‘find’ him votes?”

“How easy it’s going to be to prosecute him for asking the secretary of state of Georgia to “find” 11,780 votes.”

“Trump’s meaning was perfectly clear: Find me enough ballots to put me just one vote ahead of my opponent. Overturn my defeat. The official tally had Joe Biden winning Georgia by 11,779 votes.”

“In situations like this one, prosecutors generally need to prove intent. In this instance they would presumably need to persuade jurors that Trump knew he was asking Raffensperger to cheat or to commit fraud or to meddle with legitimate election results. That’s what I’d want to find out if I was a juror.”

“But here’s the problem: Everything Trump said on the call suggests he was merely asking for a wrong to be righted and that he truly believed — correctly or not — the votes had been stolen from him.”

“If you take his words at face value, they suggest that he thought he’d been robbed and wanted Raffensperger to make things right, not that he was intentionally soliciting Raffensperger to commit election fraud.”

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...d-raffensperger-11780-fani-willis-votes-crime

In other words, just like Russian collision, Trump’s Ukrainian “perfect call,” and even Trump’s attempted precoup speech on the morning of 1/6, it could come down to proving Trump’s intent, what was he hoping to accomplish based upon his words

Of course all evidence proves Trump knew by 1/2 that the Big Lie was a Big Lie, even his own staff told him so, but proving he knew it to an entire jury won’t be an easy task

Don’t be surprise if the Fulton County DA or DOJ doesn’t indite nor prosecute Trump, not worth the effort nor handing him/Fox the attention, which will just like the situations I noted above, lead the MAGA militia to echo he did nothing wrong, was totally innocent, innocent like OJ

Intent is the issue, but we have a lot of evidence he knew he had lost Georgia and the rest.

He also vaguely threatened the GA officials. I think most juries could see intent here. Whether it’s worth it or not is another question but to me showing that an ex-president is not above the law would be worth the effort.

 

[Concart]

I understand the argument, and it is true, hard to argue that he didn’t know it was a lie, but keep in mind, you have to convince every jury sitting on the jury that Trump fully realized it was a lie and he knowingly asked to have the election altered, not an easy task if one person sitting there judge it directly from what was said in the phone call, “takes his words at face value”

I think they have a LOT more supporting evidence. But we'll see. I would honestly be shocked if he isn't indicted in Georgia. And Smith is clearly after him, and will also recommend multiple indictments. It's now all about whether someone is willing to pull the trigger. It has to happen.

 

[Concart]

In the MAGA militia, the “rule of law” is subjective, how else would anyone else seriously characterize 1/6 as a regular tourist day at the Capitol

Trump, along with many on the right, have pretty much torn down and ridiculed nearly every institution in the Government, the Law is just another example

All the more reason to make it clear that we, the people, want to see those institutions restored. It is taking a long time to get rid of the stench of Trump, but it's going to happen. Watergate took this long, so did shutting down McCarthy.

 

[Into the Night]

“Will Donald Trump go to prison for asking a Georgia official to ‘find’ him votes?”

No, because it is not a crime.