Will righties cry about government spending cuts?

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Cite your source for that claim, please. Thanks.

only my personal experience, do you have anything to disprove it? no, you don't.

now, realistically you could cut out half of some of the fleet now and still be completely ready. with the cost cuts you could double up maintenance and still make good headway in the budget cuts.
 
only my personal experience, do you have anything to disprove it? no, you don't. now, realistically you could cut out half of some of the fleet now and still be completely ready. with the cost cuts you could double up maintenance and still make good headway in the budget cuts.

You're the one stating that cutting hardware and technology would save more than downsizing personnel, not me.

That puts the burden of substantiation on you.

Can you prove it, or not?
 
You're the one stating that cutting hardware and technology would save more than downsizing personnel, not me.

That puts the burden of substantiation on you.

Can you prove it, or not?

at least I didn't tell you to google it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

Components Funding Change, 2009 to 2010
Operations and maintenance $283.3 billion
Military Personnel $154.2 billion
Procurement $140.1 billion
Research, Development, Testing & Evaluation $79.1 billion

Military Construction $23.9 billion
Family Housing $3.1 billion
Total Spending 683.7 billion


Ballistic Missile Defense (Aegis, THAAD, PAC-3) $9.9 billion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Budget_Breakdown_for_2012
 
at least I didn't tell you to google it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

Components Funding Change, 2009 to 2010
Operations and maintenance $283.3 billion
Military Personnel $154.2 billion
Procurement $140.1 billion
Research, Development, Testing & Evaluation $79.1 billion

Military Construction $23.9 billion
Family Housing $3.1 billion
Total Spending 683.7 billion


Ballistic Missile Defense (Aegis, THAAD, PAC-3) $9.9 billion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Budget_Breakdown_for_2012

Are you pretending that "procurement" consists solely of "technology and hardware" spending?

From your link:

"This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as Veterans Affairs, the Treasury Department's payments in pensions to military retirees and widows and their families, interest on debt incurred in past wars, or State Department financing of foreign arms sales and militarily-related development assistance."
 
Access to Kuwait is not a base near or most vulnerable ally. Some folks will always play victim and claim that we are occupiers. I'm sure some Japanese and Germans felt the same way. Now they are allies.

you're right. that does not mean that iraq is identical.
 
Are you pretending that "procurement" consists solely of "technology and hardware" spending?

From your link:

"This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as Veterans Affairs, the Treasury Department's payments in pensions to military retirees and widows and their families, interest on debt incurred in past wars, or State Department financing of foreign arms sales and militarily-related development assistance."

the description you pasted is 'other military expenditures', not procurement.
 
So you aren't pretending that the Wiki article you posted supports your claim that the government can save more by cutting "hardware and technology" spending vs. making personnel cuts?

no, i'm not pretending. budget cutting isn't all paper fancy numbers. You must take in to account what costs would be incurred should you need to ramp up the number of troops again in a crisis. are you incapable of seeing a big picture long term analysis?
 
no, i'm not pretending. budget cutting isn't all paper fancy numbers. You must take in to account what costs would be incurred should you need to ramp up the number of troops again in a crisis. are you incapable of seeing a big picture long term analysis?

So you actually cannot prove your premise, and posting the Wiki link was an irrelevant stalling tactic.
 
no, i'm not pretending. budget cutting isn't all paper fancy numbers. You must take in to account what costs would be incurred should you need to ramp up the number of troops again in a crisis. are you incapable of seeing a big picture long term analysis?

If they need to ramp up, the higher cost would be building new equipment. However, dropping the numbers of people isn't all that necessary either. Just drop the crap they don't want that they are forced to get because of Senators with airplane manufacturing jobs in their state...
 
It would be hard to imagine a more likely spot to find savings in the federal budget than the military.

Now that President Barack Obama has proposed hundreds of billions in cuts, national defense hawks will stew over the implications.

Conservatives have been urging spending cuts, but many, perhaps most, will oppose focusing on the military and will find fault merely because the plan is proposed by this president.

Announcing his plan, Obama explained the cuts will not damage the nation’s national defense or military readiness.

“Our military will be leaner,” but he said we will maintain our military superiority, defending against terrorism with a “more agile” force.

As most of you might have surmised, I have been invited to very few secret Pentagon planning sessions, but even bucolic outsiders can see the steady growth in military muscle required by recent “long wars,” to use the official description.

Defense cutbacks will reduce our capacity to fight two separate wars at once but, according to the plan, will retain plenty of ability to stand guard.

Surely we can pare back expensive installations around the world.

Host nations might oppose these reductions as much for reasons of economics as security.

U.S. military installations are huge boosts to local economies.

Scaling back the military will boost unemployment, but this is the usual contradiction facing those who argue for cutting the size of government.

Many who want smaller government will not want to make this particular cut, a common refrain heard every time public spending is to be reduced in any way at all.

The politics of spending control aside, it makes sense to do careful downsizing of the military.

Advancing technology has changed the nature of foreign threats.

Subversive terrorism replaces vast attacks with tanks and battleships.

To the degree such heavy artillery still has a role, the United States can maintain overwhelming superiority without such overkill.

Nuclear threats are worrisome but don’t require hundreds of thousands of troops ready to deploy.

We’ll be better to concentrate on SEALS and the CIA rather than armies of grunts.

Surely we can reduce military spending while continuing to improve our defense capability.

Obama & Co. are off on the right foot.

The labyrinthine military command contains plenty of expert partisans who will argue for keeping their branches strong.

Avoiding wasteful spending will remain perhaps the most intractable challenge of all.





http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/jan/07/the-military/
 
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