Wikileaks must stop "dangerous" leaks: military

Yurt said:
capt.....

if i give you a thousand tons of coke....and you burn it, bury it, whatever....or....you sell it or give it away to kids

who is the person most culpable for the harm to the kids?
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We're not dealing with our legal definitions of culpability Yurt, your limiting yourself in this discussion trying to do so.
 
This shows exactly what the US thinks of the world.

The US reputation will be on a par with North Korea, especially amongst its former friends.
 
WTF is a low level clerk doing with access to this information?


Heres a thought , if this kid could get his hands on this info this easy how the fuck do you think this information was secure in the first place.


Its a shot acrossed the bow to show the pentagon is NOT securing information in cyberspace.

This shit was not secure in the first place and that is the whole fucking point.
 
evince said:
WTF is a low level clerk doing with access to this information?


Heres a thought , if this kid could get his hands on this info this easy how the fuck do you think this information was secure in the first place.


Its a shot acrossed the bow to show the pentagon is NOT securing information in cyberspace.

This shit was not secure in the first place and that is the whole fucking point.
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too true, whatever happened to need to know rules
 
evince said:
WTF is a low level clerk doing with access to this information?


Heres a thought , if this kid could get his hands on this info this easy how the fuck do you think this information was secure in the first place.


Its a shot acrossed the bow to show the pentagon is NOT securing information in cyberspace.

This shit was not secure in the first place and that is the whole fucking point.
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Obviously this is the fault of the CIC.

:good4u:
 
Duplicity and Guile said:
No, but Wikileaks isn't to blame. They don't go and tap government phone lines or coerce people into leaking information. All they do is report something someone else is already leaking out.
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I would agree. It is not Wikileaks that is to blame... though I hope they do continue redacting info from the more sensitive cables.

The person to blame is the private that downloaded the data and released it. He should be in jail... for a long time. His superiors should be given severe reprimands and drummed out for not having a more secure system in place to prevent people from simply downloading hundreds of thousands of cables without a red flag going off.

The only reason it seems this kid was caught is because a hacker turned him in when he bragged about it.
 
Duplicity and Guile said:
Yurt, I'm gonna disagree here. While the age old axiom 'loose lips sink ships' holds true today, the loose lips are those of our own military. OPSEC is still key and when our soldiers forget that, the fault lies solely with them, not with someone who reports what they originally put out there.
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This is not an active military mission. There's no time sensitive data.
 
Superfreak said:
I would agree. It is not Wikileaks that is to blame... though I hope they do continue redacting info from the more sensitive cables.

The person to blame is the private that downloaded the data and released it. He should be in jail... for a long time. His superiors should be given severe reprimands and drummed out for not having a more secure system in place to prevent people from simply downloading hundreds of thousands of cables without a red flag going off.

The only reason it seems this kid was caught is because a hacker turned him in when he bragged about it.
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wikileaks is the distributer of the information to the masses, they are as guilty as the person who gave them the info...thats like saying drug dealers are innocent because they didn't make the drug, they just delivered it to the masses
 
Yurt said:
wikileaks is the distributer of the information to the masses, they are as guilty as the person who gave them the info...thats like saying drug dealers are innocent because they didn't make the drug, they just delivered it to the masses
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I'm not so certain that re-publishing classified information where you have no obligation to keep the information classified is as cut and dried a crime as selling illegal drugs. Whereas it is 100% clear that a person who discloses classified information in violation of a legal obligation to keep the information classified has committed a crime, it isn't as clear that a person who republishes that information but has no obligation to keep it classified has committed a crime.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I'm not so certain that re-publishing classified information where you have no obligation to keep the information classified is as cut and dried a crime as selling illegal drugs. Whereas it is 100% clear that a person who discloses classified information in violation of a legal obligation to keep the information classified has committed a crime, it isn't as clear that a person who republishes that information but has no obligation to keep it classified has committed a crime.
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correct and i talked about that in an earlier post

i'm talking about culpability in spreading the information and any resulting harm
 
Freedom of the press. The same was true for the Pentagon Papers, where the papers could reprint the documents, but Ellsworth could be prosecuted (not sure if he ever was).
 
Superfreak said:
I would agree. It is not Wikileaks that is to blame... though I hope they do continue redacting info from the more sensitive cables.

The person to blame is the private that downloaded the data and released it. He should be in jail... for a long time. His superiors should be given severe reprimands and drummed out for not having a more secure system in place to prevent people from simply downloading hundreds of thousands of cables without a red flag going off.

The only reason it seems this kid was caught is because a hacker turned him in when he bragged about it.
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How come they don't have an audit trail? It seems to me that there are more than a few people whose heads should roll for their piss poor security controls. The most fascinating thing to come out of this is the Saudi KIng and Foreign Minister exhorting the US to attack Iran, I can see why they wouldn't want that to come out.

10. (S) The King, Foreign Minister, Prince Muqrin, and
Prince Nayif all agreed that the Kingdom needs to cooperate
with the US on resisting and rolling back Iranian influence
and subversion in Iraq. The King was particularly adamant on
this point, and it was echoed by the senior princes as well.
Al-Jubeir recalled the King's frequent exhortations to the US
to attack Iran and so put an end to its nuclear weapons
program. "He told you to cut off the head of the snake," he
recalled to the Charge', adding that working with the US to
roll back Iranian influence in Iraq is a strategic priority
for the King and his government.

11. (S) The Foreign Minister, on the other hand, called
instead for much more severe US and international sanctions
on Iran, including a travel ban and further restrictions on
bank lending. Prince Muqrin echoed these views, emphasizing
that some sanctions could be implemented without UN approval.
The Foreign Minister also stated that the use of military
pressure against Iran should not be ruled out.


http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2008/04/08RIYADH649.html
 
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tom prendergast said:
How come they don't have an audit trail? It seems to me that there are more than a few people whose heads should roll for their piss poor security controls. The most fascinating thing to come out of this is the Saudi and Bahrain governments asking the US to bomb Iran, I can see why they wouldn't want that to come out.
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It is the government... don't expect anything resembling common sense to come from a government agency. They relish in red tape and bullshit procedures... yet very often they have little accountability.

I agree many heads should roll in addition to the obvious one.
 
Superfreak said:
It is the government... don't expect anything resembling common sense to come from a government agency. They relish in red tape and bullshit procedures... yet very often they have little accountability.

I agree many heads should roll in addition to the obvious one.
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I don't think the private involved will be prosecuted for fear of the whole can of worms being exposed in open court. Maybe he will rendited to Gitmo or Bhagram?
 
tom prendergast said:
I don't think the private involved will be prosecuted for fear of the whole can of worms being exposed in open court. Maybe he will rendited to Gitmo or Bhagram?
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Not sure on our military court laws... not sure if his trial would have to be made public.

My guess is that you are wrong. He will be up for court martial and my guess is he will serve time.
 
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