Why should Illegals (Undocumented for the PC) get citizenship?

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Irish

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Or even legal status? Talk about the epitomy of entitlement. I break into your country, I disrespect your laws, I literally pay a smuggler to get me in, or just climb your fence. I don't bother learning your language or customs. I recruit my family and extended family to join me. I send almost all the money I make back to Mexico/SA, I don't pay any of your silly taxes. But guess what? NOW I WANT TO VOTE in your land! I want full citizenship! I want amnesty given for my crimes. ANd I want welfare and HC and all the benefits you get!

And libtards think this is fair?

The liberal media is going hysterical because trump wants deportation and border security first. No amnesty. But it got me thinking. Why do they HAVE, to have amnesty? WHere it it written, that if a person breaks into your country they ought to be automatically rewarded with citizenship? Is this not moronic?

So tell me again, why do they HAVE TO GET amnesty/citizenship? WHY?
 
Crooked ILLary said:
because the demalquedacrats need voters

they lost white voters and they kill black voters through abortion and drugs
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Yet they get 95% of black vote, because of welfare and AA. And cuz Bill was the first "black president", and they done nominated a cool black dude. Even though he doubled black unemployment and did nothing for them.

Plus Reagan improved black unemployment by 20%, but 'Republicans be racist."
 
Irish said:
Or even legal status? Talk about the epitomy of entitlement. I break into your country, I disrespect your laws, I literally pay a smuggler to get me in, or just climb your fence. I don't bother learning your language or customs. I recruit my family and extended family to join me. I send almost all the money I make back to Mexico/SA, I don't pay any of your silly taxes. But guess what? NOW I WANT TO VOTE in your land! I want full citizenship! I want amnesty given for my crimes. ANd I want welfare and HC and all the benefits you get!

And libtards think this is fair?

The liberal media is going hysterical because trump wants deportation and border security first. No amnesty. But it got me thinking. Why do they HAVE, to have amnesty? WHere it it written, that if a person breaks into your country they ought to be automatically rewarded with citizenship? Is this not moronic?

So tell me again, why do they HAVE TO GET amnesty/citizenship? WHY?
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Someone is gonna shit a brick when uncle don does a reagan on him..............
 
Irish said:
Or even legal status? Talk about the epitomy of entitlement. I break into your country, I disrespect your laws, I literally pay a smuggler to get me in, or just climb your fence. I don't bother learning your language or customs. I recruit my family and extended family to join me. I send almost all the money I make back to Mexico/SA, I don't pay any of your silly taxes. But guess what? NOW I WANT TO VOTE in your land! I want full citizenship! I want amnesty given for my crimes. ANd I want welfare and HC and all the benefits you get!

And libtards think this is fair?

The liberal media is going hysterical because trump wants deportation and border security first. No amnesty. But it got me thinking. Why do they HAVE, to have amnesty? WHere it it written, that if a person breaks into your country they ought to be automatically rewarded with citizenship? Is this not moronic?

So tell me again, why do they HAVE TO GET amnesty/citizenship? WHY?
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Do you think amnesty means citizenship? Is this how you guys are redefining it so that Trump is not supporting amnesty?
 
we already have a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants......it starts by obtaining a green card.....

Eligibility Requirements

If you are a green card holder of at least 5 years, you must meet the following requirements in order to apply for naturalization:

Be 18 or older at the time of filing
Be a green card holder for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing the Form N-400, Application for Naturalization
Have lived within the state, or USCIS district with jurisdiction over the applicant’s place of residence, for at least 3 months prior to the date of filing the application. Students may apply for naturalization either where they go to school or where their family lives (if they are still financially dependent on their parents).
Have continuous residence in the United States as a green card holder for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing the application
Be physically present in the United States for at least 30 months out of the 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing the application
Reside continuously within the United States from the date of application for naturalization up to the time of naturalization
Be able to read, write, and speak English and have knowledge and an understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).
Be a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States during all relevant periods under the law
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https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-naturalization/path-us-citizenship
 
Bill said:
Poor ronnie, tricked again by the smart ppl.:palm: VICTIM!!
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I have a question. You guys are supposedly for increasing the minimum wage right? If you transfer the job from an illegal alien to a citizen the wage for that particular job immediatly increases. In some cases it goes double. Would this not be the desirable thing?

Unless your stance is increase minimum wage but some jobs cant have minimum wage because the minimum wage is too high?
 
tsuke said:
If you transfer the job from an illegal alien to a citizen the wage for that particular job immediatly increases. In some cases it goes double. Would this not be the desirable thing?
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Sure it would, & that is one of the main reasons nothing is ever done about it->THEY DON'T WANT THAT..

It wouldn't be as easy as transferring jobs but fewer competitors for jobs would have employers competing again.. But isn't the don ok w/ places like silicon valley bringing in their cheap labor engineers from abroad?? Cause you know Americans just don't want those jobs:rolleyes:

Wouldn't it be highly inflationary as well, especially if the richest continue to enjoy/reap all the spoils & while the shrinking middle classes do all the heavy lifting??
 
tsuke said:
I have a question. You guys are supposedly for increasing the minimum wage right? If you transfer the job from an illegal alien to a citizen the wage for that particular job immediatly increases. In some cases it goes double. Would this not be the desirable thing?

Unless your stance is increase minimum wage but some jobs cant have minimum wage because the minimum wage is too high?
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Are you trying to use logic on liberals? All they do is yell racist, if they are outdebated. Not even worth your time.
 
Bill said:
Sure it would, & that is one of the main reasons nothing is ever done about it->THEY DON'T WANT THAT..

It wouldn't be as easy as transferring jobs but fewer competitors for jobs would have employers competing again.. But isn't the don ok w/ places like silicon valley bringing in their cheap labor engineers from abroad?? Cause you know Americans just don't want those jobs:rolleyes:

Wouldn't it be highly inflationary as well, especially if the richest continue to enjoy/reap all the spoils & while the shrinking middle classes do all the heavy lifting??
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so are we saying that if we increase the wages it would be inflationary? Then why fight for higher minimum wage?

Aside from your last sentence it seems like you agree with me. Then why not put those jobs with american citizens again and get the immediate wage increase? This requires 0 new laws or approval from congress only enforcement of current immigration law.
 
Irish said:
Are you trying to use logic on liberals? All they do is yell racist, if they are outdebated. Not even worth your time.
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Its because im nationalist so i take ideas from both sides. Im actually for increased minimum wage. Just not increased FEDERAL minimum wage. I think that idea is one of the dumbest one people came up with. To quote Trump the standards of living in new york and iowa are different. Something that will buy you a burger in new york will buy you a lot more in iowa.

I just cannot reconcile the support for illegal aliens and the argument that replacing them with Americans would increase the prices for everyone while at the same breath arguing that we should increase everyones wages across the board and this would not increaase the prices for everyone.

My ideal scenario is different minimum wages all across the country and protectionist policies so that instead of a NY or CA company outsourcing to India they would outsource to Alabama or Iowa creating a more equitable wealth distribution across the country.
 
tsuke said:
so are we saying that if we increase the wages it would be inflationary? Then why fight for higher minimum wage?

Aside from your last sentence it seems like you agree with me. Then why not put those jobs with american citizens again and get the immediate wage increase? This requires 0 new laws or approval from congress only enforcement of current immigration law.
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Do you really think it will be/is that simple??
 
Bill said:
Do you really think it will be/is that simple??
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once you implement everify and make sure you punish the business owner and illegal yes. The inflationary stuff doesnt matter too. You have more income you get to spend more places you spend at hire more etc etc etc. too long to explain.

Anywhoo I just dont see how the minimum wage argument and moar illegalz argument go togheter.
 
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