Why scott brown will win

[Cancel 2016.2]

Well grasshopper, I will return after nothing is done and show you a massive increase in cost. AMA=CABAL

Elaborate on that toppy... you think salaries are going to be the big driving factor in health care costs going forward?

I note you did not address the salary comparisons I provided. Why is that toppy? Does it destroy your ridiculous assertion?

 

[Chapdog]

Again, for those who qualify, it will be far less. The EXACT same plan that I have is also offered through my employer. It costs 2.5 times MORE through my employer. The reason... the automatic qualification through the employer plan.

For those who do not qualify, they can stick with group plans... just don't do it through employers. Employers can still contribute to the costs, but this way they do not control the plan.... which provides portability to the individual.

We also need to go back towards higher deductible plans that provide 100% for catastrophic care. The day to day type doctors visits should be paid out of pocket (counting against the deductible). People tend to go to the doctor more frequently when they do not see the effect on their wallets (ie... they have a small co-pay or no co-pay).

Preventative care should be a pre-requisite for every plan... and that should be provided with no out of pocket expense.

I work in HR and the COBRA cost is not the cost that our healhcare plans cost. ITs about about 50-60% of the cobra cost. Sure they tell you that your plan is 2K a month but they prob paying like 800 for you and your paying like 200-400 of it.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

That makes me nervous the notion of decoupling from corporate plans. I know the republicans have been talking about it but financially I cannot see any way that it wouldn't result in a huge increase in monthly expense to those who have healthcare plans with work.

Why would it result in huge increases to corporate run plans?

I think decoupling healthcare from our job offers more freedom for everyone.

Your thinking is anti-individual and pro-fascist.

 

[Onceler]

Topspin probably feels guilty for making so much dough compared to most doctors.

Doctors, to me, are like teachers; many are actually underpaid, imo...

 

[Chapdog]

Why would it result in huge increases to corporate run plans?

I think decoupling healthcare from our job offers more freedom for everyone.

Your thinking is anti-individual and pro-fascist.

No I just cant figure the math. Under no circumstance would I pay less money then I pay now to support a family of 4. Please someone tell me.

If I pay 160 a month right now to have $25 copays and full coverage including maternity, vision, dental, adoptions, etc.. How is it going to be cheaper if its decoupled?

 

[Topspin]

Topspin probably feels guilty for making so much dough compared to most doctors.

Doctors, to me, are like teachers; many are actually underpaid, imo...

Me, feel quilty for a measly $135,000 no way!!!

 

[Bonestorm]

No I just cant figure the math. Under no circumstance would I pay less money then I pay now to support a family of 4. Please someone tell me.

If I pay 160 a month right now to have $25 copays and full coverage including maternity, vision, dental, adoptions, etc.. How is it going to be cheaper if its decoupled?

It isn't going to be cheaper. And that's apparently the point. The theory is that you'll get a cheaper plan with less generous benefits and as a result will consume less healthcare. With lots of people in your same position consuming less healthcare, costs will allegedly go down.

 

[blackascoal]

If Brown wins, it's a repudiation of centrist politics and centrist governance.

Obambi is a centrist, and the Senate bill is the bill he wanted all along.

 

[Canceled2]

No I just cant figure the math. Under no circumstance would I pay less money then I pay now to support a family of 4. Please someone tell me.

If I pay 160 a month right now to have $25 copays and full coverage including maternity, vision, dental, adoptions, etc.. How is it going to be cheaper if its decoupled?

If decoupling were combined with a menu style plan, i.e. maternity care or not, vision care or not, etc etc etc along with making them portable actual cost would go down for the individual. I have a brother who worked for a city. To save money they killed his position and contracted with him instead. They increased his actual salary by 16k because they no longer paid health care benefits. So you see, there is a huge incentive to make actual reform as far as business is concerned. Creating an atmosphere of competition IS the solution! In that way governement can be involved via intelligent, pro, free market regulations to insure open and transparent policies are available

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I work in HR and the COBRA cost is not the cost that our healhcare plans cost. ITs about about 50-60% of the cobra cost. Sure they tell you that your plan is 2K a month but they prob paying like 800 for you and your paying like 200-400 of it.

COBRA... IS NOT THE SAME AS AN INDIVIDUAL PLAN

Cobra is the cost of maintaining your EMPLOYERS plan after you leave service. Which means you typically see the costs increase because you are taking over the portion that your employer was paying.

I would be paying the same if I used my employers plan. But they pay about 60% of the total costs.

 

[Onceler]

If Brown wins, it's a repudiation of centrist politics and centrist governance.
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Wow; there is nothing at all to back up that contention.

As has been discussed, MA has a health plan. They don't want to subsidize other states. A much stronger argument could be made that, if the bill in Congress went even farther, it would alienate even more voters there.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Me, feel quilty for a measly $135,000 no way!!!

So... YOUR salary falls in line with the average family practitioner's salary... theirs is OUTRAGEOUS... your's is MEASLY???

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

If Brown wins, it's a repudiation of centrist politics and centrist governance.

Obambi is a centrist, and the Senate bill is the bill he wanted all along.

ROFLMAO... there is very little that is 'centrist' about this health care bill or with the bulk of the policies the 'centrist' politicians like Pelosi and Reid are trying to force down our throats. Calling Obama a centrist is a joke.

 

[Topspin]

Elaborate on that toppy... you think salaries are going to be the big driving factor in health care costs going forward?

I note you did not address the salary comparisons I provided. Why is that toppy? Does it destroy your ridiculous assertion?

ama limits the number of dr's artificially creating a monopoly situation in pricing. I only like that in oil.

It's little looked at; again I'll be back and show you.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

No I just cant figure the math. Under no circumstance would I pay less money then I pay now to support a family of 4. Please someone tell me.

If I pay 160 a month right now to have $25 copays and full coverage including maternity, vision, dental, adoptions, etc.. How is it going to be cheaper if its decoupled?

What percentage does your employer pay?

 

[Topspin]

I've got a link that shows $160,000 average dr and we know specialist make 50% more.

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_HC07000052.html

 

[blackascoal]

Wow; there is nothing at all to back up that contention.

As has been discussed, MA has a health plan. They don't want to subsidize other states. A much stronger argument could be made that, if the bill in Congress went even farther, it would alienate even more voters there.

Nobody likes this bill but the health insurance lobbyists who wrote it and democrats desperately searching for something they can call reform.

The Senate version of the bill .. which any bill that passes will mirror .. is almost the exact same "reform" that Mass. already has .. and they don't like .. with all the same pitfalls of exploding costs.

 

[blackascoal]

ROFLMAO... there is very little that is 'centrist' about this health care bill or with the bulk of the policies the 'centrist' politicians like Pelosi and Reid are trying to force down our throats. Calling Obama a centrist is a joke.

It's only a joke to the stupid.

Obambi has followed the Bush doctrine almost to the letter, including unnecessary war, support for the Patriot Act, and continued illegal wiretapping of American citizens .. all supported by the right.

I could go on .. but why?

 

[Topspin]

It's only a joke to the stupid.

Obambi has followed the Bush doctrine almost to the letter, including unnecessary war, support for the Patriot Act, and continued illegal wiretapping of American citizens .. all supported by the right.

I could go on .. but why?

Word, liberals are more pissed than teabaggers.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The consensus in this state is that if this national health care passes we will have to pay for other states health welfare. We as MA citizens under Mitt Romney already passed health-care reform in this state and have the lowest uninsured rate in the nation.

People here are getting ready to file there taxes and yet again be penalized on a Federal tax rate level because our Standard of living index is one of the top in the country. Every year we gets screwed with a higher effective Federal tax rate for the same standard of living as other states. Now the democrats are asking us to pay more then our fair share for a national plan as well.

We are rejecting this notion but would support any federal legislation that evens out the burden. I suggest a plan that requires each state to manage there own health-welfare just like we already do now with both our healthcare and automobile insurance.

Again, if you don't want to pay for the healthcare of the poor, why put up a UHC anywhere? Stupid.