Why not just let it fail?
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don't forget the sanctimonious Rand Paul..
How do we pay for Medicade expansion on a massive scale?? we don't..nobody seems to care
[video]http://www.npr.org/2017/03/01/517988156/kentucky-residents-fear-consequences-of-obamacare-repeal (AUDIO)[/video]
Kentucky was one of the states that embraced the Affordable Care Act. Residents talk about their experiences with the law and how a potential repeal might affect them.
Transcript for Cos.........
AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:
In addition to President Trump, we heard another voice on health care last night, former Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear. Last night, Beshear delivered the Democratic Party's official response to Trump's speech. He warned that repealing Obamacare could harm millions.
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STEVE BESHEAR: Does the Affordable Care Act need some repairs? Sure it does. But so far, every Republican idea to replace the Affordable Care Act would reduce the number of Americans covered, despite your promises to the contrary.
CORNISH: As Governor Beshear had embraced the Affordable Care Act, more than 500,000 people in Kentucky got health insurance because of the law. We asked Kentucky Public Radio's Ryland Barton to see how people there feel about the health care law these days.
RYLAND BARTON, BYLINE: Michael Kleier is a horse trainer from Paris, Ky. He's waiting in line at a Kroger grocery store pharmacy.
MICHAEL KLEIER: I've only carried insurance for a year and a half. I didn't have it before. And then they forced me to get it, but I got it with a private carrier.
BARTON: Kleier gets coverage through his employer, who didn't offer insurance before the Affordable Care Act. He says he wants insurance to be affordable, but blames the law for increasing rates.
KLEIER: And people I know, people that have had coverage before - and it just went through the roof. And they couldn't afford that.
BARTON: Kentucky had one of the largest drops in the number of people without insurance after Obamacare took effect. Most of those people got coverage through the expansion of the state's Medicaid system. Stacy Hodges, a dietician from Lexington, says expanded Medicaid saved her life after she was diagnosed with cancer.
STACY HODGES: I probably would have spent $100,000 on my health care getting chemotherapy, getting radiation, getting all of my treatment, blood transfusions every two weeks, ending up in the hospital for about a month.
BARTON: Hodges is worried about losing her coverage.
HODGES: I know that my health care is going to be changing. And I'm kind of dreading it because I still have to go through routine scans. Luckily, the frequency has been reduced.
BARTON: Even many Obamacare opponents here don't want to see people lose coverage. Lori Richardson voted for Donald Trump and wants the law repealed.
LORI RICHARDSON: I've also seen the other side of it with my uncle that's going through treatments for leukemia and another uncle that's a severe diabetic. It has helped them tremendously because of the pre-existing clause in there.
BARTON: The dilemma for Republicans here and across the country is how to undo parts of the law voters don't like while keeping the parts they do. For NPR News, I'm Ryland Barton in Frankfort, Ky.
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Kentucky was one of the states that embraced the Affordable Care Act. Residents talk about their experiences with the law and how a potential repeal might affect them.
Transcript for Cos.........
AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:
In addition to President Trump, we heard another voice on health care last night, former Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear. Last night, Beshear delivered the Democratic Party's official response to Trump's speech. He warned that repealing Obamacare could harm millions.
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
STEVE BESHEAR: Does the Affordable Care Act need some repairs? Sure it does. But so far, every Republican idea to replace the Affordable Care Act would reduce the number of Americans covered, despite your promises to the contrary.
CORNISH: As Governor Beshear had embraced the Affordable Care Act, more than 500,000 people in Kentucky got health insurance because of the law. We asked Kentucky Public Radio's Ryland Barton to see how people there feel about the health care law these days.
RYLAND BARTON, BYLINE: Michael Kleier is a horse trainer from Paris, Ky. He's waiting in line at a Kroger grocery store pharmacy.
MICHAEL KLEIER: I've only carried insurance for a year and a half. I didn't have it before. And then they forced me to get it, but I got it with a private carrier.
BARTON: Kleier gets coverage through his employer, who didn't offer insurance before the Affordable Care Act. He says he wants insurance to be affordable, but blames the law for increasing rates.
KLEIER: And people I know, people that have had coverage before - and it just went through the roof. And they couldn't afford that.
BARTON: Kentucky had one of the largest drops in the number of people without insurance after Obamacare took effect. Most of those people got coverage through the expansion of the state's Medicaid system. Stacy Hodges, a dietician from Lexington, says expanded Medicaid saved her life after she was diagnosed with cancer.
STACY HODGES: I probably would have spent $100,000 on my health care getting chemotherapy, getting radiation, getting all of my treatment, blood transfusions every two weeks, ending up in the hospital for about a month.
BARTON: Hodges is worried about losing her coverage.
HODGES: I know that my health care is going to be changing. And I'm kind of dreading it because I still have to go through routine scans. Luckily, the frequency has been reduced.
BARTON: Even many Obamacare opponents here don't want to see people lose coverage. Lori Richardson voted for Donald Trump and wants the law repealed.
LORI RICHARDSON: I've also seen the other side of it with my uncle that's going through treatments for leukemia and another uncle that's a severe diabetic. It has helped them tremendously because of the pre-existing clause in there.
BARTON: The dilemma for Republicans here and across the country is how to undo parts of the law voters don't like while keeping the parts they do. For NPR News, I'm Ryland Barton in Frankfort, Ky.
Copyright © 2017 NPR. All rights reserved. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information.
NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by Verb8tm, Inc., an NPR contractor, and produced using a proprietary transcription process developed with NPR. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Accuracy and availability may vary. The authoritative record of NPR’s programming is the audio record.
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Ppl in Kentucky care.. First time in their lives, first time their families have had care... They want to keep it-shitty care, expensive care IS LOTS BETTER THAN NO CARE!!!
Whatever happens Cos I certainly hope you are not hurt by it..........
i have asked civil manner over and over..
HOW DO WE PAY FOR MEDICADE EXPANSION ON A MASSIVE SCALE as well as the SUBSIDIES for OBcare?
I am not debating the merits of it..If i were I'd be talking that Single Pay is the only way to fly..
I am simply asking a budgetary question that no one wants to answer..thanks
I believe I mentioned a few, a few times, one I am sure we agree on is the military/MIC..
Raising taxes on some ppl, seeing what works in other countries THAT DO IT, & HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME & IT WORKS....
Like in Australia where they tell the Pharm companies what they will pay & thats that....
Sure they need to make money, we all do, & oddly enough they make money selling to the Austrailia's of the world...
Why the F*&^K do Americans have to pay more?? Even Obama rolled w/ that bs......
If every other industrialized nation can do it, live longer, healthier & better I see no reason the best, most powerful richest
in the world can't do it as well......Would be nice to get something for our tax dollars besides just tanks, missiles & jets I don't even get to fly........
I believe I mentioned a few, a few times, one I am sure we agree on is the military/MIC..
Raising taxes on some ppl, seeing what works in other countries THAT DO IT, & HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME & IT WORKS....
Like in Australia where they tell the Pharm companies what they will pay & thats that....
Sure they need to make money, we all do, & oddly enough they make money selling to the Austrailia's of the world...
Why the F*&^K do Americans have to pay more?? Even Obama rolled w/ that bs......
If every other industrialized nation can do it, live longer, healthier & better I see no reason the best, most powerful richest
Would be nice to get something for our tax dollars besides just tanks, missiles & jets I don't even get to fly........
taxes are usurious as it is on the rich. They have the ability to flee the US if it gets too bad.
By itself it could be done - a couple hundred billion over 10 years.
But there is also our upcoming entitlement crunch
Darth Omar
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In every other kind of insurance the high risk people pay more for insurance.
The person with the crappy driving record and a dozen speeding tickets pays more for auto insurance than the good driver. Build your house in a flood zone and you're going to pay more for home insurance.
That's how insurance works. What everyone wants to do is to insure people who would be considered 'high risk' in the other insurance markets. And they want to do it for 'free'. But insurance doesn't work that way. The person who uses their health insurance for the occasional office visit or whatever is going to pay [dearly, as we've found out] for the person who has pre-existing conditions.
Obamacare is a case-study of government picking winners and losers.
And it was also doomed to fail because it was predicated on getting/coercing/forcing enough young healthy people to buy into the market in order to help pay for the infirm and keep everyone's premiums down.
And it's not working.
But here's an idea. Let's get the high risk pool out of the market altogether. People whose personal healthcare expenses exceed a certain amount [relative to their gross income] automatically qualify to enter government healthcare.
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I believe I mentioned a few, a few times, one I am sure we agree on is the military/MIC..
Raising taxes on some ppl, seeing what works in other countries THAT DO IT, & HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME & IT WORKS....
Like in Australia where they tell the Pharm companies what they will pay & thats that....
Sure they need to make money, we all do, & oddly enough they make money selling to the Austrailia's of the world...
Why the F*&^K do Americans have to pay more?? Even Obama rolled w/ that bs......
If every other industrialized nation can do it, live longer, healthier & better I see no reason the best, most powerful richest
Would be nice to get something for our tax dollars besides just tanks, missiles & jets I don't even get to fly........
so lets nut shell your dumbass idea,
have other people pay for other peoples insurance, thanks Commie.
Now run find a real idea and come back when you do, otherwise stay out of adult conversations
Everyone can flee the usa.. If they can't pull their fare share what do we need them for??
Rolling back the cuts a generation or two isn't radical.......
The ruler can stop companies from fleeing, I'm sure he can deal w/ that...
They are paying now already..
If a murderer gets shot, you pay to fix his ass up so he can spend the rest of his days sleeping on death row, 3 meals & excellent med care-thnx you stinking commie..
i can't flee.I can't sell infomercial shlock in Europe like I do here.
pull their fair share?? They get heavy taxes already. Taxing the rich is the answer for everything-
and while i'm no fan of the 1%'rs there is only so much we can tax.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature...lking-about-americas-entitlement-crunch-18135
Those who expect their candidate to come through with any of this have set themselves up for disappointment. Budget realities make clear that Washington simply lacks the funds for such schemes. Even if Clinton were to make the rich pay “their fair share,” as she plans, or Trump were to root out “waste and fraud,” as he plans, the budget will have less not more for infrastructure spending and any other of their proposed initiatives. Instead, entitlements—Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act and unemployment insurance—will eat up all new revenues and more, outpacing almost every other spending stream, as they have for decades, absorbing an ever greater portion of the budget and leaving fewer and fewer dollars for any other endeavor.
President Obama’s 2016 budget makes this brutal reality clear. Entitlements there already absorb almost 70 percent of all federal spending. Defense spending, the next-largest budget item, takes up about 15 percent of the total, while interest payments on outstanding government debt take up some 6 percent. That leaves only about 10 percent for all the rest of what Washington does, and nothing for walls, free college, new bridges and the like. Indeed, entitlements, which have already expanded from 56 percent of all federal spending in 2000 and from 43 percent twenty years ago, promise to intensify the pressure they place on the budget, as the retirement of the baby boom and the increased obligations under the Affordable Care Act disproportionately enlarge the demands on these programs year after year, without even a requirement that Congress vote on the matter.
Is that a liberal or conservative idea??
Well he learned something?? That after his trump wall has failed since SURPRISE Mexico isn't gonna pay for it, & China really isn't a currency manipulator & just gives up & moves on to the next disappointment.........
"who knew it was gonna be so hard"
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
They can make it fail by not making the Cost Sharing Reduction payments . which of course won't be like it failing on its own .. but it failing is all they care about .. AND there will be a huge political cost to bear if they don't make the CSR payments.