Why is the military paying the anti National Anthem NFL hundreds of millions of $$$$$
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Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
I did answer the questions, yet you failed to see.
This country gives everyone the right to pursue their dreams, doesn't it? They are a perfect example, aren't they?
Kaepernick was protesting the country, was he not? The same country that allowed him to use his talents to excel
to the highest level of their potential, and he, as well as all those other idiots, did the same. So, it's not the country
that's holding them back from pursuing their dreams, is it?
If he, or anyone for that matter, has a "protest," why haven't they taken them to the source? Why aren't they protesting
across the street from police stations? Why aren't they protesting across the street from courthouses when these trials
are going on? Have they written their local or state representatives to look into these "mistreatments"?
Let me ask you this. If I think those athletes are overpaid, should I kneel when I hear the National Anthem, too? Or should
I just refuse to attend their games and refuse to watch them on TV? If I think I'm underpaid in my chosen profession, do you
think I should "protest" the symbols of our country to prove my point, or should I go to my employer to "voice my opinion"?
Should I kneel in front of my desk or in front of the machines I occasionally use to make prototypes? It would no doubt get
my employer's attention, but probably get me fired (it did Kaepernick, didn't it?). His protest had nothing to do with his
profession whatsoever, yet he was stupid enough to do it while "at work," wasn't he?
Common sense would dictate going straight to the source of my complaints, wouldn't you think?
Now, to answer your last question, yes, some people over the course of this country's history have disrespected those of
color. But today, not so much, because they themselves are proof this country allows all athletes to achieve their goals and
dreams, just as it does you or I. Does it not? The country, the National Anthem nor the flag hasn't hindered them in any way.
As to the post above yours, what a silly and meaningless rant!
What you and so many others fail to realize is Kapernick wasn't protesting injustices against himself. He was protesting injustices against other African Americans like Freddy Gray, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice. Just like MLK Jr, Nelson Mandela, Ghandi and many others did in their time. If you can't see that, maybe you should open your eyes instead of parrot the right wing talking points like a good minion and making this protest something that it's not (protesting the military and the flag). It's a classic Strawman defense. You can't win the argument as presented so you deflect or misrepresent the argument.
And your answer:
"yes, some people over the course of this country's history have disrespected those of color." is laughable.
Maybe you should change the word "some" to "many Americans" and "disrespected" to "lynched" or "murdered" or "cheated" or "flogged" and it would've made more sense. But you trivialize the hundreds of years of criminal mistreatment of African Americans by saying they were "disrespected" as if what they endured was rude rather than criminal and inhumane. It speaks volumes of your state of mind.
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They know they are fortunate, they are kneeing for others.
Do you support the Constitution and the right to protest? Or do you want protest limited to those you find tasteful?
Then answer my questions why he didn't "protest" at the locations I suggested or write his representatives? Is it true he and those other "protesters" were "discriminated against by this country's symbols while pursuing their careers? Obviously they weren't.
I'm not "parrot(ing) the right wing talking points," as you claim, I'm asking why he claims this country or it's symbols are, when he said "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" oppressing them.
Again, if his "beef" is with law enforcement's treatment of "black people," why can't he address them, rather than disrespecting our flag? This country's flag isn't "oppressing" him or any of his fellow "protesters" in any way.
Yes, I do. But I also believe those protests should peacefully be directed toward the intended disagreements.
Do you believe I have the constitutional right to own the firearms of my choice if I'm responsible enough to exercise that right without hurting or bothering anyone?
Eagle_Eye
Well-known member
The NFL players have every right to protest and kneel when the National Anthem is played. I spent 24 years defending that right! By the same token I have every right to disagree and boycott their games. So if they choose to loose money then so be it.
Yes, you do have the right to protest it, that has never been denied.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
I don't know why he didn't protest at police stations or write his representatives. Why did MLK Jr. march from Selma to Montgomery Ala. to protest mistreatment of African Americans in the 1965? You really think he should've just written his representatives instead?
Again, you're deflecting. You're making the argument something it's not. If he HAD protested at the locations you suggested, do you really think it would have made as much impact, that Americans would still be discussing it?
Once again, the flag stands for "Liberty and Justice FOR ALL". Maybe he feels like the Flag DOESN'T stand for that based on America's treatment of African Americans over the years and I can surely see why. You nor I, as white men, will never be able to fully appreciate the injustices imposed on African Americans. NEVER!!! Get it. NEVER!!! That's why complaining about his method of protest is insignificant.
Read this:
The Selma to Montgomery march was part of a series of civil-rights protests that occurred in 1965 in Alabama, a Southern state with deeply entrenched racist policies. In March of that year, in an effort to register black voters in the South, protesters marching the 54-mile route from Selma to the state capital of Montgomery were confronted with deadly violence from local authorities and white vigilante groups. As the world watched, the protesters—under the protection of federalized National Guard troops—finally achieved their goal, walking around the clock for three days to reach Montgomery. The historic march, and Martin Luther King Jr.’s participation in it, raised awareness of the difficulties faced by black voters, and the need for a national Voting Rights Act.
This isn't 1965, is it? I've never denied minorities have been treated badly in the past, they have. But those things have changed for the better, as they should have. His own accomplishments prove it.
Today, he has no reason to say "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" when, in fact, it is not the case.
Answer my questions why the flag has anything to do with his bitches.
evince
Truthmatters
Things have improved since 1965, but we still have a ways to go before they feel like they are equal. There are still people in this country, right here on this forum, that do not feel blacks are equal to whites.
evince
Truthmatters
he is not in the military
the navy ship commanders who were bought off with rubles to have sex parties and ignore their duties so much they began crashing ships
and now we have navy seals killing green berets for fucking money
and you care about this shit ninstead of that
why?
evince
Truthmatters
your opinions are racist asshole
and yes charlotesville shows you black people are in danger
fuck you evil shit
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Like I said before, the flag stands for "Liberty and Justice for all". Maybe Kapernick doesn't believe the flag showed liberty and justice for Freddy Gray, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice. Today, he has every reason to say that.
Once again, you're deflecting. You're making it about his 'method' of protesting to invalidate his 'reason' for protesting. That's what the far right extremists are doing as well and you fall right in line. And if you think minorities are no longer treated badly in today's America such that they no longer have a reason to protest, you truly have to open up your eyes.
Colin Kaepernick showed a lot of courage to protest injustices against others like Freddy Gray, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice. He risked his career to do so when it would've been easy to just shut up, sit back and enjoy his success.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
You need to chill, evince. RB60 has been courteous and eloquent in his responses. They are not racist. We are having a good, cogent debate. Don't ruin it.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
You need to chill, evince. RB60 has been courteous and eloquent in his responses. They are not racist. We are having a good, cogent debate. Don't ruin it.
I can't disagree with you, but things have become far better since then. Hopefully, they will continue to do so.
Unfortunately, political divisions and the media (predominantly a few "columnists") aren't helping close those gaps.
Thank you, I've been trying to be respectful while providing my opinions.
Eagle_Eye
Well-known member
Glad you agree, so many take the position that the players have a right to protest but the fans don't have the right to boycott it's as if they believe that if you disagree you are the enemy of free speech.