Why is Roe V Wade such a hot button issue?

[volsrock]

If you need to change the subject, here's one for you.

E. Jean Carroll says trump sexually assaulted her in a department store dressing room.

Do you believe her, yes or not?

Nope


I dont believe ANY woman that waits YEARS to say something!

 

[volsrock]

Another easy solution is for drummers not to invite women into their dressing rooms after a gig. Also fool-proof.

the drummer NEEDS willing participants! woman can go home after the gig

the woman saying yes is the FIRST step of the process...the man saying OK cmon is the second

Eliminate the first there is no second and no baby and women have complete control over that

 

[christiefan915]

the drummer NEEDS willing participants! woman can go home after the gig

the woman saying yes is the FIRST step of the process...the man saying OK cmon is the second

Eliminate the first there is no second and no baby and women have complete control over that

Be serious. The woman has to get a question before giving a yes or no answer. The question comes from the drummer; HE takes the first step.

 

[christiefan915]

Nope

I dont believe ANY woman that waits YEARS to say something!

As long as you don't believe Tara Reade either, fair enough.

 

[volsrock]

Be serious. The woman has to get a question before giving a yes or no answer. The question comes from the drummer; HE takes the first step.

Great

So its the woman's responsibly to say no...Thanks for playing!


Say no ...guess what no baby coming!

 

[christiefan915]

Great
So its the woman's responsibly to say no...Thanks for playing!

Say no ...guess what no baby coming!

It's the man's responsibility not to ask.

No question... no answer... no baby.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I say this with all due respect. When I saw the OP I thought it was written someone either new to the country or really young and trying to understand the history.

Sure, I’m a male (who currently identifies as cisgendered - to be P.C.) so I won’t have to get an abortion myself. But I feel like it goes without saying that because I won’t get pregnant therefore it doesn’t affect me and I shouldn’t care is not the attitude to have, and that applies to many issues - not just abortion. It would be like someone saying because I don’t have kids I have no concern over the quality of our education system. Ok, but the quality of schools affects your neighborhood and your property values and our economy and how competitive we are globally etc. There’s a much bigger picture involved.

What is the "bigger picture" when it comes to abortion?

 

[volsrock]

It's the man's responsibility not to ask.

No question... no answer... no baby.

OK

A bad guy(felon) ask for a gun at a gun show. The dealer says OK yes

Whos fault is it bad got got a gun?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Actually, the abortion leak tells us that Roe vs.Wade was a bad Supreme Court decision and that abortion (the murder of innocent children) will no longer be a judicial issue for the courts. It will be a legislative issue for the states...the people...very democratic.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Tenth Amendment

Abortion is not a health care decision or a “sexual apparatus” decision, it’s a murder of innocent children issue.

N.Y, California etc. will still allow the murder of innocent children...for a while.

So you're okay with government-run health care too, since we're now supposedly leaving health care decisions up to politicians rather than our physicians and ourselves?

 

[Stone]

Gee, is sex all you think about...24 hours a day...wait, that's my esposa talking.

 

[cawacko]

What is the "bigger picture" when it comes to abortion?

The same as with many other issues, that just because it doesn’t directly affect someone (he said he’s an older male so why should he care), it can affect your family, friends, public policy etc. (if that makes sense)

Edit: To be clear, I’m saying this regardless of where one stands on abortion. I was addressing the idea that he stated that because he (and others) are older and can’t have abortions then why care about the issue.

 

[christiefan915]

OK

A bad guy(felon) ask for a gun at a gun show. The dealer says OK yes

Whos fault is it bad got got a gun?

My knowledge, whether right or wrong, is that dealers are supposed to do background checks. Your sentence reads like it didn't happen.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The same as with many other issues, that just because it doesn’t directly affect someone (he said he’s an older male so why should he care), it can affect your family, friends, public policy etc. (if that makes sense)

I'm well past child-bearing age but my daughters are not. So the abortion question *does* affect our family. It affects our society, it affects our economy too. You have at least one child that you've mentioned, so you know what a nightmare finding and paying for daycare is currently. If a young working woman gets pregnant by accident, what are her choices if she's forced to give birth? Give it up for adoption? Good luck if she's not white. Quit her job and go on welfare because she cannot afford $200+/week for daycare, assuming she can even find a spot?

 

[Stone]

It's the man's responsibility not to ask.

No question... no answer... no baby.

But what if she has the sweetest little face and prettiest eyes? And if the weather is warm, wearing those little shorty shorts.......OH OH,...she could have that perfect little behind and legs that....WOW! Im an old leg and ass man from way back. I mean,...you cant expect a man to control himself around THAT can you? Whats a man to do? were only HUMAN ya know!

Hots legs...your wearin me out.....Hot legs... make me SCREAM AND SHOUT! Hell,...just the damn SONG gets me going!

 

[BartenderElite]

the drummer NEEDS willing participants! woman can go home after the gig

the woman saying yes is the FIRST step of the process...the man saying OK cmon is the second

Eliminate the first there is no second and no baby and women have complete control over that

Nope.

 

[cawacko]

I'm well past child-bearing age but my daughters are not. So the abortion question *does* affect our family. It affects our society, it affects our economy too. You have at least one child that you've mentioned, so you know what a nightmare finding and paying for daycare is currently. If a young working woman gets pregnant by accident, what are her choices if she's forced to give birth? Give it up for adoption? Good luck if she's not white. Quit her job and go on welfare because she cannot afford $200+/week for daycare, assuming she can even find a spot?

I added on to my prior answer but that was my point, that there are ramifications beyond “it doesn’t affect me personally”

 

[Celticguy]

What makes legalized abortion on demand such a hot button issue?

Other than a fairness issue or a moral issue it seems the only people effected are women of childbearing age and the men who impregnate them. So why are we so split?

because murder is wrong.
if you dont want children its easy enough to avoid.

 

[Walt]

No, Walter, you are wrong again.

We will see. It is early days still.

 

[Walt]

All you are proving is that the split is political versus fair or moral.

People pick a political side based on what they think is fair and moral.

 

[cawacko]

because murder is wrong.
if you dont want children its easy enough to avoid.

You’re not wrong to say/imply if you don’t want children then don’t have sex. But that also goes against human nature. Try telling a college campus full of kids, for example, that no one should have sex. That’s just not going to happen.

You can use condoms and birth control and they greatly reduce the chance of pregnancy but even that’s not guaranteed.