Why I prefer Trader Trump not be impeached.

Darth Omar said:
How can someone obstruct justice on Twitter but NOT obstruct justice by destroying evidence that’s under subpoena?

Someone please explain that to me.
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You have to remember that we are talking to idiots with a serious case of partisan hackery and TDS. ;)
 
Jarod said:
Unless there is some very vulgar treason or action that is particularly dangerous to the security of the American State, I think it is better not to impeach the trader Trump.

We have a sickness in our nation, after seeing the crowd in Tampa shoot the finger at the Media, yell obscenities and promote the Q conspiracy theories I am dismayed at how a large group of Americans have lost any bit of decorum or ability to behave with a modicum of dignity or self-respect. They also have never been taught a speck of critical thinking skills. This clanish thug behavior is infecting some minority, but more of a minority than any other modern time. If the United States is to survive as an example of how to shine for much of the uneducated world we cannot allow this group to grow. Many nations, mostly poor ones with inferior education systems are stuck in the vice grip of this type of mob rule, electing leaders who chose power over intelligence and personal gain over national pride. We have come a long way from, "Ask now what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

Impeaching Trader Trump would only poke this bear. Sadly, I think the way to handle them is to ignore them and let them fade into history. You can never prove them wrong with logic, or any other method, they simply feel entitled to be right and therefore they believe they are right, facts no longer fit into the equation. Its not new or limited to political party, consider the birther movement, or even further back those who believed GWB knew ahead of time about the 9-11 attacks. The difference is that this time they eked out a win at the presidential level. An accident of history allowed one of them to become president.

America is strong and built to withstand this, four years of tyrannical behavior in the oval office is not enough to dismantle the democratic institutions (deep state) that were designed to protect us. We have a Congress that, while Majority Republican, has refused to give the despot much in the way of significant legislative wins and a Court system that has throttled his most radical efforts. We will soon right the ship, correct the course and move forward, but an impeachment just might be enough to cement the minority of rubes in a permanent violent rebellious frame. As I learned when a former poster on this board told me he and his like minded American brotheren would put a bullet in my head if I kept spouting liberal ideas, violence is the result of this groups realization that they have lost the logic argument. For many of them there is no hope that a renewed renaissance will teach them reason and logic, they are lost to the teachings of Copernicus or Montaigne much less Rojas or Avila. This minority, when confronted with a logic based reality will only grow violent and angry, not more reasonable or intelligent. Let the checks and balances of our government work their designed effect, allow the system to even itself out and as designed the majority will (I think) right the ship.

Don't impeach Trader Trump, let him fade away.
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4 years? :laugh: Try 8, and then at least 4 of Pence. Democrats have nothing and your party isn't winning us non-DNC progressives back with any horse in your current stable.
 
Jarod said:
Unless there is some very vulgar treason or action that is particularly dangerous to the security of the American State, I think it is better not to impeach the trader Trump.

We have a sickness in our nation, after seeing the crowd in Tampa shoot the finger at the Media, yell obscenities and promote the Q conspiracy theories I am dismayed at how a large group of Americans have lost any bit of decorum or ability to behave with a modicum of dignity or self-respect. They also have never been taught a speck of critical thinking skills. This clanish thug behavior is infecting some minority, but more of a minority than any other modern time. If the United States is to survive as an example of how to shine for much of the uneducated world we cannot allow this group to grow. Many nations, mostly poor ones with inferior education systems are stuck in the vice grip of this type of mob rule, electing leaders who chose power over intelligence and personal gain over national pride. We have come a long way from, "Ask now what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

Impeaching Trader Trump would only poke this bear. Sadly, I think the way to handle them is to ignore them and let them fade into history. You can never prove them wrong with logic, or any other method, they simply feel entitled to be right and therefore they believe they are right, facts no longer fit into the equation. Its not new or limited to political party, consider the birther movement, or even further back those who believed GWB knew ahead of time about the 9-11 attacks. The difference is that this time they eked out a win at the presidential level. An accident of history allowed one of them to become president.

America is strong and built to withstand this, four years of tyrannical behavior in the oval office is not enough to dismantle the democratic institutions (deep state) that were designed to protect us. We have a Congress that, while Majority Republican, has refused to give the despot much in the way of significant legislative wins and a Court system that has throttled his most radical efforts. We will soon right the ship, correct the course and move forward, but an impeachment just might be enough to cement the minority of rubes in a permanent violent rebellious frame. As I learned when a former poster on this board told me he and his like minded American brotheren would put a bullet in my head if I kept spouting liberal ideas, violence is the result of this groups realization that they have lost the logic argument. For many of them there is no hope that a renewed renaissance will teach them reason and logic, they are lost to the teachings of Copernicus or Montaigne much less Rojas or Avila. This minority, when confronted with a logic based reality will only grow violent and angry, not more reasonable or intelligent. Let the checks and balances of our government work their designed effect, allow the system to even itself out and as designed the majority will (I think) right the ship.

Don't impeach Trader Trump, let him fade away.
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Regardless of whether Trump gets impeached or not...it is imperative that we elect a Democratic Party Congress in order to mitigate the damage that he is doing.

And he is far more dangerous to the Constitution than Pence...as despicable as Pence is...
 
Darth Omar said:
So fear mongering to shore-up the minority vote is the Democrats best strategy lol?
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How adorable! I was just on another board where we were once again discussing how it happened that Trump won -- I mean, other than Hillary was a craptastic candidate. The consensus among the majority, which included some of your beloved RINOs, was that first Trump convinced the gullible that America was failing, under attack by terrorists/illegals/criminal illegals/brown ppl/Democrats -- in other words, he fear-mongered. Then he further convinced them that only he could save them. He said what they wanted to hear -- using dog whistles, key words, and acting tough -- "Get him outta here!" "Fake news, get them outta here!" "Go ahead, punch him, I'll pay for your lawyer!" Like the base, Trump worships so-called strong-men -- bullies, dictators, despots. They rule by fear and terror.

But please do tell us again how (D)s are fear mongers. We can't wait.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
How adorable! I was just on another board where we were once again discussing how it happened that Trump won -- I mean, other than Hillary was a craptastic candidate. The consensus among the majority, which included some of your beloved RINOs, was that first Trump convinced the gullible that America was failing, under attack by terrorists/illegals/criminal illegals/brown ppl/Democrats -- in other words, he fear-mongered. Then he further convinced them that only he could save them. He said what they wanted to hear -- using dog whistles, key words, and acting tough -- "Get him outta here!" "Fake news, get them outta here!" "Go ahead, punch him, I'll pay for your lawyer!" Like the base, Trump worships so-called strong-men -- bullies, dictators, despots. They rule by fear and terror.

But please do tell us again how (D)s are fear mongers. We can't wait.
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Trump is a textbook demagogue. Embarrassing for any supporter to call out "fearmongering." It's what Trump does.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
How adorable! I was just on another board where we were once again discussing how it happened that Trump won -- I mean, other than Hillary was a craptastic candidate. The consensus among the majority, which included some of your beloved RINOs, was that first Trump convinced the gullible that America was failing, under attack by terrorists/illegals/criminal illegals/brown ppl/Democrats -- in other words, he fear-mongered. Then he further convinced them that only he could save them. He said what they wanted to hear -- using dog whistles, key words, and acting tough -- "Get him outta here!" "Fake news, get them outta here!" "Go ahead, punch him, I'll pay for your lawyer!" Like the base, Trump worships so-called strong-men -- bullies, dictators, despots. They rule by fear and terror.

But please do tell us again how (D)s are fear mongers. We can't wait.
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Do you work in the media lol?

When Trump is talking about illegal immigrants contributing to the drug and crime problem he is talking about a real thing that affects a segment of voters—that Democrats go out of their way to ignore.

In contrast, Democrats would go on about the effects of global warming which is a theoretical problem that may or may not be affecting anyone. Polling consistently places global warming as something most voters don’t fret over, so right at the start, Trump’s fear mongering is smarter, politically.

Russians actually affecting election outcomes is fear mongering. That Trump is a Nazi fascist is an especially reprehensible sort of fear mongering. The media has so many liberals convinced Trump is fearsome that TDS has now been recognized as a real thing.

I could go on but you get the idea by now.
 
Thing1 said:
That's one POV. Another is that they had the strongest year they have ever had when it comes to candidate recruitment, are leading in the polls for the midterms and have some very charismatic up & comers who are starting to make a name for themselves.

All the talk of Biden, Bernie & Clinton again in '20 is purely wishful thinking by the right. None of those 3 will be the candidate. The Dems have some great young leaders on their side. On the GOP side, we're seeing near-record retirements, and Trump's cult of personality is sucking up all of the air in the room, preventing any new leaders from emerging.
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they only lead in generic polls......generics don't vote.....
 
TTQ64 said:
We will agree to disagree with the EC. It was implemented for those who ran in the slave states. They would never get into office without it.

No need to take this conversation any further.
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????......no it wasn't.......it was small states like Maine and Rhode Island that were NOT slave states against large states, such as Virginia which WAS a slave state and New York, which wasn't
 
Nordberg said:
The Dems as a whole are not pushing impeachment. there are a couple, but they do not represent the party. It requires a 2/3rds vote in the Senate. That is nearly impossible. They will wait patiently until Mueller is done and see where it ends up. The cries about impeachment are from the rightys who want to increase the Repugs to fight against someything not happening. They will scream and maybe vote to stop something that is a fantasy.

In order to impeach, it requires Repugs to get on board. that is not going to happen. Trump destroyed the republicans party. He rules the right without fear of a fight.
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lol.....I'm glad no one here has gone along with that tiny minority of demmycrats who talk about impeachment.......
 
Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
Very true. It will be up to all of us to protect our fellow citizens since we sure as hell can't rely on law enforcement/govt. to do it.
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incredibly stupid post......the type of thing we've come to expect from lib'ruls......

But please do tell us again how (D)s are fear mongers. We can't wait.
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see the first quote above......
 
Impeachment is a strong word, and reserved for those who choose to sleep with interns rather than go after Osama Bin Laden who later murders thousands of Americans while free to plan. And then lie about it all under oath
 
Nordberg said:
The Dems as a whole are not pushing impeachment. there are a couple, but they do not represent the party. It requires a 2/3rds vote in the Senate. That is nearly impossible. They will wait patiently until Mueller is done and see where it ends up. The cries about impeachment are from the rightys who want to increase the Repugs to fight against someything not happening. They will scream and maybe vote to stop something that is a fantasy.

In order to impeach, it requires Repugs to get on board. that is not going to happen. Trump destroyed the republicans party. He rules the right without fear of a fight.
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If "Trump destroyed the republicans party," wouldn't they be on board for impeachment?
 
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