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Why I am am athiest
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Don't know? So unless you can guarantee me that life, the universe, and everything is the result of purely inanimate strictly physical reasons, then your atheism has failed you. You are actually treading on agnostic grounds.
Almost half of physicists believe in some kind of god or higher power, so you can't point to physics as proof that atheism is correct.
The origin of reality is a philosophical question.
There's no proof that purely inanimate physical material causes matter, energy, design, lawful organization, fine tuning, physical laws, universal mathematical constants to spontaneously spring into existence.
In fact, not only is there no proof of that, it actually defies common sense and everyday experience.
So the only really logical position is agnosticism.
Bible thumpers and atheists both are relying on irrationally and miracles.
No one knows.
To me, the weight of evidence at this time is that irreducibly complex cellular biology does not spontaneously emerge from inert chemicals.
Even under controlled laboratory conditions, we haven't been able to replicate this phenomenon for the past 80 years.
It's highly possible we might not ever have a definitive answer as to how organized cellular biology arises from inanimate chemistry. Or maybe we will. Who knows.
It seems like there could be some unknown organizing or guiding principle beyond conventional physics and chemistry.
Margot
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You proved my point
You referenced a “mind” that you called God. I asked you questions about that mind. Did that evade you?
Aquinas lived in the Dark Ages and was a theologian, not a scientist. He had no idea how the earth formed, much less anything about the universe.
The only thing I can guarantee is your obsession on my atheism.
Yakuda
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In my defense it was a mised bag of drivel. You asked about my mind, you asked about the mind that I referred to as God. Try clarifying your question and I'll be happy to answer. Im not chasing the squirrels inside your head.
Ok. You're a modern scientific whiz, so what creates itself?
The Harvard and MIT-educated astrobiologist Robert Hazen lays out three end-member scenarios for the origin of life. He personally believes we will probably find an answer someday in chemistry and physics, but he does not categorically rule out any end-member possibility.
Three Possible End-Member Scenarios for the Origin of Life
1) The origin of life may have been a miracle.
2) The origin of life was an event fully consistent with chemistry and physics, but one that was almost infinitely unlikely and required an improbable sequence of numerous chemical and physical steps.
3) The universe is organized in such a way that life is an inevitable consequence of chemistry, given an appropriate environment and sufficient time.
So why does life use only regular non-life chemistry? If the chemistry of life is completely indistinguishable from non-life chemistry why assume a non-life origin except for religious reasons?
Explain precisely how the organized machinery, complex coded information, purposeful metabolic and reproductive functions of cellular biology just spontaneously arise from inanimate chemistry.
No one has ever observed this happening, despite decades of controlled laboratory experiments.
Failure to provide a precise explanation will be taken as evidence you simply don't know, you've never observed it, and are agnostic about it.
So you can't answer the question or you won't answer it? Which one is it?
Obviously, you’re unaware how substances come into being. Does water create itself? Of course not. It IS CREATED from the reaction of H and O.
Now, want to answer those questions about your mind/god?
The fact that life uses carbon, hydrogen, phosphorus, etc. has nothing to do with the question about how inanimate chemistry could just spontaneously result in irreducibly complex cellular biology.
Moreover, pointing to the carbon or phosphorus atom does nothing to prove atheism. Carbon and phosphorus themselves only exist because of the curious and improbable properties of cosmic fine tuning and cosmic creation.
Why do you sound so much like a Creationist? Seriously. Non-life and life share the same chemistry. Why can't one come from the other? But more importantly where did life come from if from non-life?
So you can't explain anything but you think it is a "gotcha" when others can't tell you exactly how something happened.
In your imagination does God make life using non-life chemistry, so why does he have to do that? Why doesn't your God make life using magic?
Yakuda
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What are you babbling about? I asked you to tell me what created itself. Your just fucking flailing now.
No because it irrelevant. Your argument against Aquinas was what again "weak as fuck" with nothing but you're say is as evidence. Utter brain dead dead drivel.
I just told you how things ARE created, idiot. Does simple chemistry escape you?
Aquinas was a theologian, ignorant of the universe.
Yeah, I see you are unable to articulate anything about your mind/God thing. No surprises there. Your 3rd grade mentality makes that difficult for people like you.
Yakuda
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Not what I sent you for you deformed monkey
Your avoiding the point but you're a retard so ...
Take your ball and go home, junior. Your mommy is calling. You’re out of your league here.
ZenMode
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Your belief in God is what is described as God of the Gaps. Anything man/science can't explain defaults to being the work of a God.
At one point in time, there were many, many, many more gaps, but science has been consistently filling the gaps.
Science explains a lot less than most laypersons realize.
God of the Gaps is an atheist creation that no reputable Christian apologist ever spawned.
God of the Gaps rests on the massive assumption that the laws of nature preclude God.
No one knows why the mathematical laws of physics exist or where they came from. That is a philosophical question. To people like Isaac Newton, it was crystal clear that the laws of nature were a reflection of God.