Why Does The US Right Distrust Representative Government?

Mott the Hoople said:
Well for one he's pulling us out of Bush's messes. For second he's governing the fiscus responsibly. Third the deficits he has run up have been have been a direct result of Bush's and Republican mismanagement and fourthly by reforming our health care system he can save the nation trillions (that's right, trillions with a T) of dollars.

So what did Republicans do other than irresponsibly cut taxes when we couldn't afford it and then spend money they didn't have like drunken sailors on an immoral war in Iraq and then fell asleep at the wheel and stayed blissfully asleep while a city drowned and our banks became so corrupted that they disintegrated?

Oh that's right! They told us how they were going to protect us from guns, gays and abortion.
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That crap is getting old sonny...the only ones swallowing that shit is pinheads like you,... and that number is dropping faster that Obamas poll numbers....
 
cawacko said:
So Obama raises taxes and runs up the deficit. Please tell me how that is better.
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Oh come on, what the hell is any admin supposed to do faced with the worst recession since WW2? We don't have the "luxury" of another world war unless you want to invade China!
 
Britian is a ethnographical mess, you have no right to assualt american values tom. So what, we got a black president, i sure as hell didnt vote for him, But he;s here so. I dont like him but hes trying to destroy our world, he infact loathes everything to do with europe and people of european decent so i dont know why you support. infact i think hes a anti-semite as well.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well for one he's pulling us out of Bush's messes. For second he's governing the fiscus responsibly. Third the deficits he has run up have been have been a direct result of Bush's and Republican mismanagement and fourthly by reforming our health care system he can save the nation trillions (that's right, trillions with a T) of dollars.

So what did Republicans do other than irresponsibly cut taxes when we couldn't afford it and then spend money they didn't have like drunken sailors on an immoral war in Iraq and then fell asleep at the wheel and stayed blissfully asleep while a city drowned and our banks became so corrupted that they disintegrated?

Oh that's right! They told us how they were going to protect us from guns, gays and abortion.
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What fiscus responsibility?

tom prendergast said:
Oh come on, what the hell is any admin supposed to do faced with the worst recession since WW2? We don't have the "luxury" of another world war unless you want to invade China!
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Sounds like fun, we'll meet you at the 50 yard line. BTW, WWII didn't actually get my country out of the depression...
 
AnyOldIron said:
Why Does The US Right Distrust Representative Government?

Why do the American right fear goverment so much?

Why are unaccountable, unelected corporate leaders better suited to guide and run a nation than elected, representative leaders?
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Arnold, you are asking three separate questions, and this will require addressing them individually...

The right doesn't really distrust representative government, it just seems that way, because of the left holding power at the moment. You see, in America, when the left holds power, representative government is a hindrance to progress, those who don't hold power should just sit down and shut up, otherwise, they are going to be called all kinds of names and ridiculed as radicals who are out of touch. The opposition voice is silenced, and we effectively have Democratic government, Democratic Socialist to be exact. When the right manages to gain control of power, the viewpoints on "representative government" change on the left, suddenly it becomes the hallmark of our republic, and what makes our nation so great, and gives a balance of power to the minority... so, it's a completely different mindset regarding "representative government" between the left and right, dependent upon which party is currently in power.

Hmm... Why do Americans fear Government? Okay... it probably has something to do with our ancestry and heritage. We mostly come from forefathers who shunned the governmental controls of Europe and came to a nation where they could enjoy personal liberty, without those constraints. They specifically designed a custom-made form of government to do the functional things a government needs to do, but allow the people full control and access to it, and also allow the fullest amount of personal liberty. The more control government has, the less liberty the individual has, that is a simple fact of life.


Okay, finally... Why are unaccountable, unelected corporate leaders better suited to guide and run a nation than elected, representative leaders?

Hmm.. don't know, maybe for the same reason unaccountable and unelected union leaders, PAC leaders, special interest leaders, activist leaders, etc., are apparently also suited?

I don't know that I agree with the premise that these "corporate leaders" are "guiding and running" the country. They can contribute politically, they can advocate politically, and they certainly have political influence, and why the hell shouldn't they, in a capitalist free enterprise free market society?

Arnold, have you ever heard the expression; To bite the hand that feeds you?

This is what I don't understand about the anti-corporate thing... These "rich and greedy corporations who make profit on the backs of the poor" are the providers of the jobs, the tax revenues, and the economic prosperity and growth for the country. Seems to me, whatever corporate business experts believe is best for corporate business, we should probably listen to them. Or at least give them a seat at the table alongside ACORN and PNAC... as opposed to making all corporations evil entities threatening to eat our babies!
 
cawacko said:
So Obama raises taxes and runs up the deficit. Please tell me how that is better.
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It's better because when people complain about high taxes all succeeding governments will be obliged to cut funding for programs other than just medical. That's how it usually works in countries with universal plans. The citizens want to keep the medical plan so the government has to find other ways to cut spending.

Medical becomes a "right". Other things the government funds are not "rights". The priority rests with medical.
 
T&A said:
What fiscus responsibility?



Sounds like fun, we'll meet you at the 50 yard line. BTW, WWII didn't actually get my country out of the depression...
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So the fact that you were the only advanced nation with its infrastructure left intact had nothing to do with it?
 
In response to the opening post, its a distinctly American attitude (exclusive, really), to revere the private sector and hate the government. We love enginuity, and its why we have national icons such as Franklin and Edison.
 
T&A said:
Yeah, but we didn't even pass the bill until April, 1948.
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In 1945-47, before the Marshall Plan started, American aid amounted to $13.1 billion. Postwar relief through the UN (UNNRA) came to $3.5 billion. Britain received a long-term loan of $3.75 billion in 1946. West Germany (that is the Allied-occupied part of the country) received U.S. goods through the GARIOA program (Government and Relief in Occupied Areas) valued at $1.7 billion. Aid to Greece and Turkey began in 1947 with the Truman Doctrine's allocation of $650 million.[3]

http://www.conservapedia.com/Marshall_Plan
 
do you think im not smart enough to engage in this conversation is that why i constantly get ignored on this website thats why i left now i know
 
Wow, I learned some time ago that wartime spending did NOT get the US out of the Depression (a myth which persists to the present day), but if Tom is correct, then all we have to do is bomb the shit out of Europe... :D
 
a11n said:
do you think im not smart enough to engage in this conversation is that why i constantly get ignored on this website thats why i left now i know
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(Msg 23) Britian is a ethnographical mess, you have no right to assualt american values tom. So what, we got a black president, i sure as hell didnt vote for him, But he;s here so. I dont like him but hes trying to destroy our world, he infact loathes everything to do with europe and people of european decent so i dont know why you support. infact i think hes a anti-semite as well.
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He's trying to make a better place for everyone and what better way to start than by ensuring everyone has access to medical care?
 
a11n said:
and raise everyones taxes to boot? thats unfair.
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As adjustments are made to the plan the taxes will come down. That's a fact because it's been proven in every country that has "government medical". The cost per capita is half of what the US spends.

Also, other unnecessary spending will be cut and channeled into medical.
 
Ok, Evgeny I'll start typing like this. BASED ON THE OBSERVATIONS OF MY OWN GOVERMENT I THINK THAT A ACTION NEEDS TO BE APPLIED TO A GOVERNMENT THAT IS BECOMING INCREASINLY HOSTILE.
 
apple0154 said:
As adjustments are made to the plan the taxes will come down. That's a fact because it's been proven in every country that has "government medical". The cost per capita is half of what the US spends.

Also, other unnecessary spending will be cut and channeled into medical.
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I have already tried to point out how generic prescribing would lower medical costs, this has been implemented in the UK and has proved very successful.

http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Generic-Prescribing.htm
 
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