GazzaQueen
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Just saying. My two biggest fans of all, posting info no one else could know...well, the level finger of suspicion points strongly.
Why did Russia want Trump to be president?
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Just saying. My two biggest fans of all, posting info no one else could know...well, the level finger of suspicion points strongly.
Buckly J. Ewer
Racism Whistleblower
LOL
You made the accusation, post the proof, or stfu
Post your proof or stfu
Tom knows and Sailor knows, who do you think you are fooling, post your proof or stfu.
lots of reasons.primarily to not have to deal w/Hillarys warhawking.
But also because the sanction hurt the Russian economy -but even more then that is to reduce tensions=
less Cold War 2.0 spending which Russia can't afford. and which cost U.S. extra $10's+ billions per year
( European Reassurance Initiative) on top of the $100's billions already spent to jack it up.
Hopefully Putin and Trump can work thru our Deep State inherent Russiaphobia pushed by our spineless Congress
for the benefit of the planet.
Cold War 2.0 is producing such horror shows as "battlefield nuclear tipped cruise missiles"
Not to mention the sanction leave Putin's drilling in the Arctic with less then the best equipment-
since Exxon had to pull out of the Rosneft / Gazprom partnership. which is the best protection from spillage.
Exxon is heading back to the Arctic once Russia sanctions are lifted
http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/20...ssia-sanctions-rex-tillerson-secretary-state/
But also because the sanction hurt the Russian economy -but even more then that is to reduce tensions=
less Cold War 2.0 spending which Russia can't afford. and which cost U.S. extra $10's+ billions per year
( European Reassurance Initiative) on top of the $100's billions already spent to jack it up.
Hopefully Putin and Trump can work thru our Deep State inherent Russiaphobia pushed by our spineless Congress
for the benefit of the planet.
Cold War 2.0 is producing such horror shows as "battlefield nuclear tipped cruise missiles"
Not to mention the sanction leave Putin's drilling in the Arctic with less then the best equipment-
since Exxon had to pull out of the Rosneft / Gazprom partnership. which is the best protection from spillage.
Exxon is heading back to the Arctic once Russia sanctions are lifted
http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/20...ssia-sanctions-rex-tillerson-secretary-state/
Is libel, slander, and false accusation a prevailing rightwing pastime?? It sure seems oddly ubiquitous on the interwebs!
Whatever anyone thinks personally of you or Christie, I have been posting with you for well over a decade, and I cannot not recall one single, solitary time y'all violated anyone's privacy or even stooped to anything of a similar repugnant nature.
As far as I can tell the only thing y'all are guilty of is heaping scorn and ridicule on teabaggers for 10 plus years....and I say keep up the good work!
Multi billionaire defeats 17 of the repubs best professional pols and defeats the pre-declared winner, the old pro, Hillbag. And that's the Lefts definition of someone incompetent.
No wonder you lost.
A patholgically lying buffoon that has ZERO policy knowledge and is an embarrassment on the world stage.
Yep.
Incompetent.
Repeal and replace, baby!
Owl'd You're Up!
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That's pithy. The tricky part of the question remains unanswered, though: How could Putin know that the Trumpy would be, and remain, a reliable "pawn" in Putin's geo-strategic games? The most likely, the most plausible, answer to that question should come in the form of identifiable aligned interests, that is, the most natural and reliable underlying structure of any association in politics. Which interests could that be, given that the Trumpy - barely aware of its existence, and completely ignorant of the organization's works - sure has no genuine interest in weakening and undermining NATO, for instance?
It's not a hard calculation. Trump doesn't need to a willing pawn, but rather a piece on the chess board to move around and cause havoc for the international community. Trump is very easy to manipulate, and in fact he adopted pro-Putin talking points throughout the election, and surrounded himself with people who are sympathetic to Russia's current positions.
On that score, Trump has been Putin's greatest and most successful investment -- far surpassing Nigel Farage, Le Pen, or Poroshenko.
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So you expect everybody in the West Indies to speak with a patois? My next door neighbour is from Jamaica originally but on the phone she sounds like Bridget Jones!
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Owl'd You're Up!
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I tend to disagree with the above. Putin, warts and all, is a serious and capable strategic thinker. He doesn't want a loose cannon on the international stage, easily manipulated by the latest shiny object dangling before his pawn's nose. Rather, he'd want a reliable pawn, based on shared interests, based on which to plan a resurgence of Russian influence and Russia's security. That is not some schoolyard taunt messing up someone's lunch for giggles. Again, all this requires some strategic alignment between the White House and Moscow, the basis of which, as far as I have seen, remains undiscovered.
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If GQ lives in Roatan as she says, then why wouldn't that have a bearing on her credibility. Rana can easily check if her IP address matches, it's easy enough to do even for her.
https://db-ip.com/all/190.4.35
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Thanks, Cypress
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She told me a while back that she lived on a island off the coast of Honduras. I remember her telling me that the capital was incredibly an incredibly violent place but Roatan is mostly not.
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I simply disagree. Putin would prefer a reliable ally and willing partner in his machinations, but you take what you can get, and if Trump is slobbering praise over Putin and other bad actors and dictators, I'd opt to use him as an international wrecking ball if I couldn't co-opt him directly. Trump is the easiest mofo on the planet to manipulate.
I am not convinced that Trump himself colluded with Russia (I'm not convinced that he's smart or aware enough to collude), but he clearly surrounded himself with people who were either in the pocket of Russian oligarchs or were sympathetic to them.
Owl'd You're Up!
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I understood that to be your argument before, Amadeus. I am convinced it is internally unsound, and it doesn't fly with what we know about Putin.
First, if the Trumpy isn't the driving force, consistently surrounding himself with Russia-aligned personnel, even trying to establish a back channel behind the U.S. President's and the intelligence community's back, is inexplicable. Sticking with these people in the light of serious allegations (Flynn, Kushner) of lying about, or establishing secretive Russia contacts also doesn't fly. Nope, the Trumpy is in on it, and his interests of some kind are being served by that alliance. If the Trumpy knows one thing, it's where his bread is buttered. That's where the search should begin, and be successful.
Second, Putin wouldn't invest time, money, and political capital in a wrecking ball that is so easily manipulated as you say, as it might come flying back in Putin's direction. I, for one, wouldn't believe that for a second, as it would amount to the schoolyard taunt mentioned above, with Putin ending up with egg all over his face. Nope, I cannot see how that is supposed to fly.
It would seem to me you are underestimating both Putin and Trump to hold on to a theory that would amount to infantile game-playing. That's not my impression.
