Why child care is so expensive

anatta said:
maybe people shouldn't have kids they can't afford to raise?
*what a concept -silly me*
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LOL, like any of our/or previous generations were planned....

In the real world it seems the poorer the ppl are the more kids, the more affluent have fewer kids..
 
cawacko said:
Yeah, maybe it's where we live but I've never heard anyone here describe childcare/daycare costs as cheap
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Nope, especially if you have two kids or more...

If someone is making mini wage & has kids I don't see how they could do it, not even close......
 
cawacko said:
Glad to hear! My brother-in-law is gone two to three weeks each month for work so my sister is alone with the three kids a lot. My mom helps her quite a bit as do I. Don't know how people do it on their own with no help around
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IMHO, things like this & other factors are bringing about the end of the idea of a "nuclear" family.... This is better for everyone, especially the kids..
 
Bill said:
Nope, especially if you have two kids or more...

If someone is making mini wage & has kids I don't see how they could do it, not even close......
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Those are the very govt. programs that Cawacko rails against. Head Start is one program that affords low income parents the ability to know that their children are in good care during the day.

Republicans have been attacking those programs for 8 years.
 
Rana said:
Child care providers are one of the most underpaid professions in society. They are regulated because for the safety of the children and protection of childcare providers. People cry about regulation until someone child dies as a result of lax daycare procedures, then all hell breaks loose. Parents demand cheap daycare but also have very high expectations for care. $1,000 a month, what does that breakdown to hourly? What kind of facility can be maintained at those costs? What kind of safety, equipment etc. The answer, not much. This is another case of people wanting a lot, but not willing or able to pay for it. The caregivers end up supplying a lot at their own expense.

There are no easy answers and again, deregulation is not one of them.
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or you could just as easily give child care providers the same amount of legal protections and qualified immunity that you idiots give cops for making you FEEL safe......
 
Bill said:
You live in a rural area??

That is pretty good, here in "civilization" it is $10-$15 per hour....... & if you have two kids??
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My sister works in interior design. After her first kid she worked part time and the money she earned basically covered the cost of a shared nanny for the time she was working. So basically she netted nothing.
 
Althea said:
Those are the very govt. programs that Cawacko rails against. Head Start is one program that affords low income parents the ability to know that their children are in good care during the day.

Republicans have been attacking those programs for 8 years.
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I believe some of his views will most certainly change now that he is going to be a parent........ You know, walking a mile in those moccasins........
 
SmarterthanYou said:
or you could just as easily give child care providers the same amount of legal protections and qualified immunity that you idiots give cops for making you FEEL safe......
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Did we vote on that one?? I don't recall doing so??

What do you see as a viable solution/alternative??
 
cawacko said:
I knew the straw man was coming. If I (people) say regulations are excessive it means we want no regulations.

The additional irony in what you write is it is this excess regulation that creates a black market. I would assume even liberals would understand that basic market function but maybe I was wrong.
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I am not even going to waste my time reading the article, given the above comments. As well as my experience here reading these far right crack pot sites. As far as a black market that is your straw man argument. The black market is a relative or close friend that is a stay at home Mom. Anyone that can get either already have. This is just the same tired worn out canard about regulations. That some how if all these pesky regulations were removed cost would drop. That is not always the case, and somehow if the regulations were removed the children would be just as safe. And that is definitely not the case.
Why stop just at those regulation, heck lets suspend the building, electrical, plumbing,and fire codes for daycare.
It is often overlooked regulations are written in blood, before they were passed some one, usually a lot of people were injured or killed.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
to what exactly are you referring to that you did or did not vote on?


with childcare or legal protections for cops?
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Rana nor you & I voted for giving the cops any kinda immunity-WE HAVE NO SAY IN THE MATTER!!

I am guessing/hoping you were being sarcastic about giving babysitters that kinda immunity~is that correct??

you could just as easily give child care providers the same amount of legal protections and qualified immunity that you idiots give cops for making you FEEL safe......
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cawacko said:
My sister works in interior design. After her first kid she worked part time and the money she earned basically covered the cost of a shared nanny for the time she was working. So basically she netted nothing.
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I use to work w/ many of them-tough business..

I am guessing my daughter will never need to pay for a sitter.........

There are also (commie...lol) organizations that we use to be part of-a babysitting co-op..

There is a list of neighbors & everyone that uses it must then make themselves available to others in the group for an equal amount of hours.

There are usually several options available for your time slots, & obviously Fri/Sat are the most difficult & if I remember correctly you get more cred for babysitting on those "premium" days/evenings..
 
Bill said:
LOL, like any of our/or previous generations were planned....

In the real world it seems the poorer the ppl are the more kids, the more affluent have fewer kids..
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There really isn't any reason not to family plan,or avoid pregnancies in the USA. Or get one of those guaranteed abortions.

I spay and neuter my pets -can't people show any sense of responsibility about having kids?
 
Bill said:
I use to work w/ many of them-tough business..

I am guessing my daughter will never need to pay for a sitter.........

There are also (commie...lol) organizations that we use to be part of-a babysitting co-op..

There is a list of neighbors & everyone that uses it must then make themselves available to others in the group for an equal amount of hours.

There are usually several options available for your time slots, & obviously Fri/Sat are the most difficult & if I remember correctly you get more cred for babysitting on those "premium" days/evenings..
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If your daughter did the right thing she would abort all of her fetuses. Just sayin
 
Billy Batts said:
I am not even going to waste my time reading the article, given the above comments. As well as my experience here reading these far right crack pot sites. As far as a black market that is your straw man argument. The black market is a relative or close friend that is a stay at home Mom. Anyone that can get either already have. This is just the same tired worn out canard about regulations. That some how if all these pesky regulations were removed cost would drop. That is not always the case, and somehow if the regulations were removed the children would be just as safe. And that is definitely not the case.
Why stop just at those regulation, heck lets suspend the building, electrical, plumbing,and fire codes for daycare.
It is often overlooked regulations are written in blood, before they were passed some one, usually a lot of people were injured or killed.
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You are making the assumption all regulations are good ones and have their intended effect and that's not the case. Childcare cost is a campaign issue and over regulation is not talked about as a cause of it. No one wants to put their kid in an unsafe environment but gov't requirements limit choices parents have and it's the poorer people that get hit hardest by the cost.
 
anatta said:
There really isn't any reason not to family plan,or avoid pregnancies in the USA. Or get one of those guaranteed abortions.

I spay and neuter my pets -can't people show any sense of responsibility about having kids?
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You non-parents are all alike.:palm:

lol

Do you wanna have ppl spay & neutered like your pets??

Perhaps just tie the reproductive apparatus till they reach a certain income level??

I'm sure some could find that in the constitution or federalist papers??
 
cawacko said:
You are making the assumption all regulations are good ones and have their intended effect and that's not the case. Childcare cost is a campaign issue and over regulation is not talked about as a cause of it. No one wants to put their kid in an unsafe environment but gov't requirements limit choices parents have and it's the poorer people that get hit hardest by the cost.
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Only the Republicans and Libertarians seem to care about excessive/intrusive regs.

It's a hidden cost to everything , and IMHO is a main reason for outsourcing jobs.
 
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