why big government programs = MASSIVE FAIL

These programs are for the disabled and the elderly.Takeing them away would be a human rights crime.

No one is talking about 'taking them away'.... except the fear mongering Dems in their vain straw man attempts to scare people.

People are talking about restructuring them so that they survive. They cannot survive in their current form. Look at the numbers above. $60 TRILLION unfunded liabilities. That is equal to about 13-15 years worth of revenue. If we spent on NOTHING else, it would take us that long to pay for what we already have promised.
 
Yea, we can save future generations by exterminating the generations that produce them. WHY is it that right wingers NEVER have a single penny of HUMAN capital in their thoughts, arguments or solutions? WHY do right wing solutions require some group of human beings to evaporate.

So the 'right wingers' the ones trying to SAVE these programs are evil and the Dems who wish to maintain the status quo, which will result in the elimination of these programs, they are good? This is your logic? Idiot.

Medicare and Social Security are HUGELY successful programs. They have save millions of lives and prevented the financial ruin of millions of people who retire and are living on fixed incomes.

Yes, they have saved lives. But Medicare is anything but successful. If you do not pay for it and shift the burden on to future generations, then it is a complete FAILURE. The vast majority of unfunded liabilities is within MEDICARE/Medicaid. It is all fine to say 'free everything for everyone'.... but NONE of it is free. SOMEONE has to pay for it. Your plan is to fuck over future generations because you want everything promised to YOU today.

Some Inconvenient Truths About the National Debt

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The stupidity of your posting this chart over and over again is quite amusing. As stated the other 2,498 times you posted it. The BUSH tax cuts will not effect the debt/deficit one penny and have not since 2010. The OBAMA tax cuts will effect the deficit in 2011 and 2012. The war in Iraq is winding down. It too will not add to the deficit after Obama withdraws the remaining troops. The OBAMA war escalation in Afghanistan and the new Obama war in Libya will add to the deficit. The OBAMA failure in resolving the economic downturn may continue to result in the extremely slow growth high unemployment environment he seems so proud of.... but again... that has little to do with Bush.
 
No one is talking about 'taking them away'.... except the fear mongering Dems in their vain straw man attempts to scare people.

People are talking about restructuring them so that they survive. They cannot survive in their current form. Look at the numbers above. $60 TRILLION unfunded liabilities. That is equal to about 13-15 years worth of revenue. If we spent on NOTHING else, it would take us that long to pay for what we already have promised.
Restructuring by cutting them, which is down the path to taking them away. stop being a petulant child.
 
LOL.... tell us genius.... what happens to these programs if you DON'T restructure them? WHO pays for the $60 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities?

Maybe we should "restructure" the military instead? Maybe the cuts can come there. Your "old people must die" one track mind is not appropriate for the hazards of big decisions regarding modernity.
 
So the 'right wingers' the ones trying to SAVE these programs are evil and the Dems who wish to maintain the status quo, which will result in the elimination of these programs, they are good? This is your logic? Idiot.



Yes, they have saved lives. But Medicare is anything but successful. If you do not pay for it and shift the burden on to future generations, then it is a complete FAILURE. The vast majority of unfunded liabilities is within MEDICARE/Medicaid. It is all fine to say 'free everything for everyone'.... but NONE of it is free. SOMEONE has to pay for it. Your plan is to fuck over future generations because you want everything promised to YOU today.



The stupidity of your posting this chart over and over again is quite amusing. As stated the other 2,498 times you posted it. The BUSH tax cuts will not effect the debt/deficit one penny and have not since 2010. The OBAMA tax cuts will effect the deficit in 2011 and 2012. The war in Iraq is winding down. It too will not add to the deficit after Obama withdraws the remaining troops. The OBAMA war escalation in Afghanistan and the new Obama war in Libya will add to the deficit. The OBAMA failure in resolving the economic downturn may continue to result in the extremely slow growth high unemployment environment he seems so proud of.... but again... that has little to do with Bush.

It is the FIRST TIME I posted that chart...I just saw it 2 days ago.

It has everything to do with Bush. Just because he is out of office doesn't mean that what he did or didn't do still has a major impact. You see, here is where you right wingers loose all credibility. You can't think like logical adults. The Bush tax cuts have a HUGE effect, because he cut revenue and raised spending. How can it NOT have a negative effect. You 'claim' to be some kind of expert on economics...well freak, it doesn't get any more basic than that. If you can't grasp that 'concept', you are beyond a moron you like to call people.

Republicans are not trying to save Medicare. They are trying to end it, turn it into a cash cow for private corporations and place the cost burden on the elderly. Even Newt Gingrich called it radical.

Maybe you right wingers need to start acting like adults and stop the bullshit lies like 'death panels' ...

Paying for end of life counseling or advance directives would have a HUGE saving because about 30% of all Medicare dollars is spent in the last year of life.

The right has taken a huge cost cutting measure, a compassionate, family-friendly measure that ultimately respects individual rights and grossly twisted into the erroneous phrase “death panels.”

Advanced directives

It’s a simple concept: An individual, with the help of family, should have the ultimate say in the type of end-of-life care the individual receives. The best way to do that is through a careful consultation, with family and physician, before there is a health crisis — while the individual is still capable of having a rational voice in the decision.

Too often, those decisions are made when it’s too late for the individual to make the decisions. Instead, grieving family members are left to make the decision — and at times it’s nothing more than a guess.

Would the individual want extraordinary measures taken when the end is near? Why wouldn’t we trust the individual — in advance and when thinking clearly — to make that decision?

For those who crusade for the rights of the individual, here’s the question: Why are you so opposed to the individual being able to set down on paper, with help from family and physician, the standards and wishes for end-of-life care?

The issue of death panels became so hot during this year’s debate on health-care reform legislation that Democrats decided to pull that provision from the bill.

Educate yourself for ONCE...it works extremely well already in LaCrosse Wisconsin.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/59087997.html

http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/article_1cbf310e-3d3f-11df-a629-001cc4c002e0.html

http://www.cms.gov/ActuarialStudies/downloads/Last_Year_of_Life.pdf

http://lacrossetribune.com/news/opinion/editorial/article_9e25cb36-150c-11e0-9443-001cc4c002e0.html
 
Maybe we should "restructure" the military instead? Maybe the cuts can come there. Your "old people must die" one track mind is not appropriate for the hazards of big decisions regarding modernity.

I have stated over and over again that the DoD has plenty of waste in it to cut as well. I personally think a 20% cut there is very feasible and likely could make a 30-35% cut work as well. No need to use the standard Dem fear mongering line of crap of 'u think old people should die'. It is a pathetic straw man. My two week old niece could knock down that straw man.
 
Yea, we can save future generations by exterminating the generations that produce them. WHY is it that right wingers NEVER have a single penny of HUMAN capital in their thoughts, arguments or solutions? WHY do right wing solutions require some group of human beings to evaporate.

Medicare and Social Security are HUGELY successful programs. They have save millions of lives and prevented the financial ruin of millions of people who retire and are living on fixed incomes.

Some Inconvenient Truths About the National Debt

cbppdebtchart.jpg


Mott is fond of saying that Republicans and Libertarians only want theirs and f*ck everyone else. Seems that pretty much the same attitude here. I want my medicare today, no changes, and f*ck the next generation(s) who are going to be stuck with the costs.
 
Just one example to show the mentality behind fiscal reform.

So you pick some obscure issue being debated in LA as an example of why we shouldn't look to reform programs that have trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities. Brilliant apple.
 
It is the FIRST TIME I posted that chart...I just saw it 2 days ago.

Then I apologize, it has been posted by the left wingers on this site a few thousand times. I made an incorrect assumption that you had made at least one of the other posts.

It has everything to do with Bush. Just because he is out of office doesn't mean that what he did or didn't do still has a major impact. You see, here is where you right wingers loose all credibility. You can't think like logical adults. The Bush tax cuts have a HUGE effect, because he cut revenue and raised spending. How can it NOT have a negative effect. You 'claim' to be some kind of expert on economics...well freak, it doesn't get any more basic than that. If you can't grasp that 'concept', you are beyond a moron you like to call people.

I have criticized Bush for doing so many times over the past 8 years. The POINT is that the BUSH tax cuts ended on Dec. 31st 2010. The BUSH tax cuts do NOT effect the deficit beyond that time. In 2011 and 2012 the OBAMA tax cuts will. Beyond 2012, we have yet to see, but as of right now, the entire tax bracket will revert back to Clinton era rates at the start of 2013.

Republicans are not trying to save Medicare. They are trying to end it, turn it into a cash cow for private corporations and place the cost burden on the elderly. Even Newt Gingrich called it radical.

This is just the standard line of crap used by fear mongers. The 'oh, because they are changing it, it means they want to end it'.

Maybe you right wingers need to start acting like adults and stop the bullshit lies like 'death panels' ...

Blah blah blah talking point blah blah blah fear mongering blah....

Paying for end of life counseling or advance directives would have a HUGE saving because about 30% of all Medicare dollars is spent in the last year of life.

Ok. I have NO problem with programs like the above. I agree that portion is beneficial as is preventative care measures.

The right has taken a huge cost cutting measure, a compassionate, family-friendly measure that ultimately respects individual rights and grossly twisted into the erroneous phrase “death panels.”

Obama care overall ADDS to health care costs. It does not address the cost structure, it simply changes HOW it is paid for.

It’s a simple concept: An individual, with the help of family, should have the ultimate say in the type of end-of-life care the individual receives. The best way to do that is through a careful consultation, with family and physician, before there is a health crisis — while the individual is still capable of having a rational voice in the decision.

Too often, those decisions are made when it’s too late for the individual to make the decisions. Instead, grieving family members are left to make the decision — and at times it’s nothing more than a guess.

Agreed, everyone should have a living will in place.

Educate yourself for ONCE...it works extremely well already in LaCrosse Wisconsin.

Moron. I encourage and recommend to all of my clients to take care of this. So quit assuming you know my position on it. But you are taking one small part of Obama care and pretending that is the be all end all. It is not. It also does not address the $60 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities.
 
Bush tax cuts and friendliness towards business = 5% unemployment

Obama spending and threats to raise taxes = 9.1% unemployment
 
Unemployment rates


Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7
2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4
2005 5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.9
2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
2008 5.0 4.8 5.1 4.9 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.3
2009 7.8 8.2 8.6 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.7 9.8 10.1 9.9 9.9
2010 9.7 9.7 9.7 9.8 9.6 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.7 9.8 9.4
2011 9.0 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.1
 
Bush tax cuts and friendliness towards business = 5% unemployment

Obama spending and threats to raise taxes = 9.1% unemployment

Can anyone provide better proof that right wingers are simple minded parrots that have no brain?

Bush left the car in a ditch after smashing it into a tree and handed the keys to Obama...and pea brains like you say..."look what Obama did to the car"

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It might be easier to ask if anyone can think of one that HASN'T failed.

That would be my question.

So, can anyone think of a large gov't program that has succeeded and is even remotely efficient?
 
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