Why Attacking Hillary Clinton for her Goldman Sachs Speaking Fees Is Hypocritical

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The fracas about Hillary Clinton as a million-dollar speaker is merely political maneuvering masquerading as legitimate criticism. Both the political left and right are enraged over news that Hillary Clinton accepted six-figure fees for talks she gave after leaving the Obama administration. Even worse than the amount of money she amassed, say her critics, are the sources of those speaking fees: Goldman Sachs GS -1.07% , GoldenTree Asset Management, and other tony Wall Street firms. Doesn’t this pose a grave conflict of interest to her presidential aspirations? Won’t she be partial to the financial sector if she is elected Commander in Chief? No, and not necessarily. Here’s why.

One Law to Rule Them All
Clinton was able to command $675,000 for three speeches at Goldman Sachs because the company wanted to hear what she had to say. A former elected official has “insight and perspective that others do not,” says Stacy Tetschner, CEO of the National Speakers Association. This knowledge, he adds, “is now that person’s intellectual property, and he or she has a right to share it.”
Besides, Clinton had already left office by that point, so she wasn’t in violation of ethics laws that prohibit government officials from being paid to speak.

The Hannibal Lecter Syndrome
...Lecter won’t help Clarice unless she reveals something of herself to him. “Quid pro quo, Clarice,” Lecter says. “I tell you things, you tell me things.” [If ]it’s wrong for a Democratic presidential candidate to take money from deep-pocketed American businesses, why is it okay for a Republican Super PAC to be funded by such organizations? The only way to completely eliminate the influence of corporations in politics is through the kind of campaign finance reform that many Republicans and Democrats alike are loath to bring about. Politicians can’t have it both ways. Either big money is off-limits, or it’s not.

Beyond “All or None”
... there’s a big difference between running a political campaign that’s funded significantly by Fortune 500 companies and a former civil servant who gives talks for big bucks. In the former scenario, the potential for abuse is both significant and real. It is Congress that passes laws, and it is members of Congress who, as a whole, stand to be unduly swayed by large financial contributions. Former elected officials who choose to run for president are much less likely to have the power to influence legislation because of speaking fees they were paid in the years before they ran for office. The U.S. President may be among the most powerful people in the world, but Congress is the nation’s most powerful entity.

The fracas about Clinton as a million-dollar speaker is merely name-calling, ad hominem attacks, and political maneuvering masquerading as legitimate criticism.

http://fortune.com/2016/01/23/hillary-clinton-speaking-fees-goldman-sachs/


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Ok Bruce, so it's not hypocritical to say we need to overturn CU because money has corrupt influences on legislators but taking speech money from organizations one will oversee has no influence. Makes total sense
 
Ok Bruce, so it's not hypocritical to say we need to overturn CU because money has corrupt influences on legislators but taking speech money from organizations one will oversee has no influence. Makes total sense

What about the part about Congress?


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That "it is members of Congress who, as a whole, stand to be unduly swayed by large financial contributions."


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I'm not trying to be obtuse but I guess I'm not following within the context of speech giving. I'm sure people in congress guve speeches but are they paid ones?
 
I'm not trying to be obtuse but I guess I'm not following within the context of speech giving. I'm sure people in congress guve speeches but are they paid ones?

Beyond “All or None”

... there’s a big difference between running a political campaign that’s funded significantly by Fortune 500 companies and a former civil servant who gives talks for big bucks. In the former scenario, the potential for abuse is both significant and real. It is Congress that passes laws, and it is members of Congress who, as a whole, stand to be unduly swayed by large financial contributions. Former elected officials who choose to run for president are much less likely to have the power to influence legislation because of speaking fees they were paid in the years before they ran for office. The U.S. President may be among the most powerful people in the world, but Congress is the nation’s most powerful entity.


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Besides, Clinton had already left office by that point, so she wasn’t in violation of ethics laws that prohibit government officials from being paid to speak.
the usual Clintonian skating along the edge of the law. She was running for POTUS.
Oh wait she didn't declare? Then it has to be believed that she actually wasn't intending to run..
I have a bridge to sell you if you believe that.

it is members of Congress who, as a whole, stand to be unduly swayed by large financial contributions. Former elected officials who choose to run for president are much less likely to have the power to influence legislation because of speaking fees they were paid in the years before they ran for office.
a false construct. she never stopped running -but to the rest of it -How is Congress more apt to be influenced?

Congress passes legislation, but POTUS has enormous powers of enforcement -"prosecutorial discretion"
Would not Clinton look more favorably on mergers, and other tax matters/enforcement for Wall st.?
And isn't POTUS supposed to remain ethical as the single most powerful gov't entity,run by one person, and not a body?

Trump needs to release his tax returns. Clinton needs to release all her transcripts
It's basic requirements for transparency
 

Beyond “All or None”

... there’s a big difference between running a political campaign that’s funded significantly by Fortune 500 companies and a former civil servant who gives talks for big bucks. In the former scenario, the potential for abuse is both significant and real. It is Congress that passes laws, and it is members of Congress who, as a whole, stand to be unduly swayed by large financial contributions. Former elected officials who choose to run for president are much less likely to have the power to influence legislation because of speaking fees they were paid in the years before they ran for office. The U.S. President may be among the most powerful people in the world, but Congress is the nation’s most powerful entity.


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"a formal civil servant"

That's just intellectual dishonesty from the author as we've known all along Hillary was running again for President. She has every right to the money she has earned but to think she's going to get no blow back from it is beyond naive.
 
The fracas about Clinton as a million-dollar speaker is merely name-calling, ad hominem attacks, and political maneuvering masquerading as legitimate criticism.
the single most ignorant statement I've seen all week.
Recall Clinton even promised to release them in the debates "once all the candidates did".
Which was a dodge -but here we are nobody else has any wall st speeches. So when is she going to release them?
 
"a formal civil servant"

That's just intellectual dishonesty from the author as we've known all along Hillary was running again for President. She has every right to the money she has earned but to think she's going to get no blow back from it is beyond naive.

I didn't know she was going to run again, especially after she had the health problem. Saying everyone knew is just conjecture.
 
I didn't know she was going to run again, especially after she had the health problem. Saying everyone knew is just conjecture.

oh Lord Christie. I know you are talking to cawacko, but she was running as long as she was able to breathe - stay alive
Clinton is nothing but ambitious.
She could have been the grande dame of the Democrats and her and Bill could be global ambassadors/do gooders with the Clinton foundation.
She would be admired and praised for her outreach/charity

Instead she's still grasping for the brass ring.
 
I didn't know she was going to run again, especially after she had the health problem. Saying everyone knew is just conjecture.

Health willing we all knew she was running for President. Remember it was the candidate you supported who made this an issue during the Democratic primary. I don't know this author's history and if he's a big Hillary supporter or not but if you said he was it wouldn't surprise me with how he's trying to defend her here. No one to my knowledge has claimed she broke any laws. But as Bernie said when you're a Democrat and you're supposedly for the working man and want to reign in Wall St you present some very bad optics getting hundreds of thousand of dollars from the biggest of banks.
 
oh Lord Christie. I know you are talking to cawacko, but she was running as long as she was able to breathe - stay alive
Clinton is nothing but ambitious.
She could have been the grande dame of the Democrats and her and Bill could be global ambassadors/do gooders with the Clinton foundation.
She would be admired and praised for her outreach/charity

Instead she's still grasping for the brass ring.

Random analogy but I loved pro wrestling as a kid. Back in the '80's you pretty much knew if was fake but you enjoyed it so much so willingly suspended that knowledge. Kind of like Hillary running. Thinking Hillary was really debating whether to run or not is like that desire to want to believe wrestling was real.
 
Health willing we all knew she was running for President. Remember it was the candidate you supported who made this an issue during the Democratic primary. I don't know this author's history and if he's a big Hillary supporter or not but if you said he was it wouldn't surprise me with how he's trying to defend her here. No one to my knowledge has claimed she broke any laws. But as Bernie said when you're a Democrat and you're supposedly for the working man and want to reign in Wall St you present some very bad optics getting hundreds of thousand of dollars from the biggest of banks.

Carson, Huckabee, Fiorina earned speaking fees during campaign.
 

I don't see any other Republicans attacking them for it. I didn't see Carly claiming the YPO was bad and she would increase regulation on them even though she took their money speaking to them.

Again, it was the candidate you supported who is calling her out. It was Bernie who said she's beholden to the big banks and used this as an example. You didn't hear Republican presidential candidates of recent past speaking about the evils of wall st
 
I don't see any other Republicans attacking them for it. I didn't see Carly claiming the YPO was bad and she would increase regulation on them even though she took their money speaking to them.

Again, it was the candidate you supported who is calling her out. It was Bernie who said she's beholden to the big banks and used this as an example. You didn't hear Republican presidential candidates of recent past speaking about the evils of wall st

I also don't see any media accounts calling out Carson etc. like they did and do for HRC. Google it and you'll see. Closer to home, none of the JPP cons ever made mention of them either.
 
I also don't see any media accounts calling out Carson etc. like they did and do for HRC. Google it and you'll see. Closer to home, none of the JPP cons ever made mention of them either.

If you can't see the difference why I don't know what to tell you. It was liberals attacking Hillary. If you don't see the difference speaking to Goldman Sachs while calling them evil and talking to the YPO while supporting them then again I don't know what to say.
 
I also don't see any media accounts calling out Carson etc. like they did and do for HRC. Google it and you'll see. Closer to home, none of the JPP cons ever made mention of them either.

Matt Taibai is a favorite of many liberals. What did he call Goldman in his RS article? A giant squid or something to that extent.

It would be like Carson going to speak to Plan Parenthood and then saying he's still going to work to shut them down
 
Matt Taibai is a favorite of many liberals. What did he call Goldman in his RS article? A giant squid or something to that extent.

It would be like Carson going to speak to Plan Parenthood and then saying he's still going to work to shut them down

Not even close.
No one is going to shut down Goldman Sachs or claiming to want to.
 
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